Huge cigar shaped UFO spotted over Ukraine - MSN Video

raymundoko
reply to post by Unity_99

 

Wait..what??? Do you mind sourcing your wild claim about how scrolls in the bible somehow translate into Flying Scrolls? Or were you joking? I hope you were joking.

The reference in the Bible to a flying scroll is in Zechariah, chapter 5, verses 1 and 2. It is described as being 10 by twenty cubits in size, about 15 by 30 feet. It was apparently unrolled, so didn't resemble a cylinder, so much as a rectangle.
A cylindrical flying object is mentioned in Exodus, chapter 13, verses 21 & 22, and chapter 14, verse 24. It was the pillar of cloud by day and of fire at night that reported guided the Hebrews in their wanderings in the desert.

reply to post by Ross 54


I have a thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Mauro Biglino. He was credentialled on the thread with two versions of the book, one the older, his name right up there beside the cardinal, and his name amongst the authors in Yales Library, well respected expert in linguistics.

I also have his book in e form, and don't know how to provide the quotes in a proper way.

However, the real literal translation for this passage really shows their choice of words. The choice for that passage that fit was "cylindar" and it was flying. The whole passage was incredibly interesting. Choices in wording was given, for in Hebrew, the vowels (which determine the actual word to use) was not included. So, it seems you're reading whatever version a power person wants you to.

Now, that passage was about a man, possibly and abductee or contactee, being shown by an "angel" or "angel et", the cigar shaped crafts, and told along the lines of "sinners and theives and drunkards" (the symbols for debauchery of the day, however one could add, slavers, those who harm others in many ways), get these kind of visits. In fact it brought to mind words Lou Baldin used, about wearing clean underwear when the bullets of life are flying.

The implication is that more negative wake up calls, perhaps, and access occurs, when people aren't doing the job they came to do and improving their integrity, but rather falling lower.

Then he was shown a vision of a flying saucer type craft, with a see through top, and woman pilot and they were transporting equipment to somewhere, a mountain (base?) in sumar.

I've had real sighting of et, and whole family abduction that night, and what they allowed me to remember, was a saucer with a see through top. My native friend also, phoned me up while she was having the same thing directly over her yard in the evening. I was on the hill and saw a hovering type light, didn't know what it was, possibly 2 km away, up the hill.

So, when someone says something about the wording used, I prefer having it broken down in the translation.

It provides the key that opens the door to what is really being said.

And world class experts on etymology and translation are preferred.

Phage

Mainstrean News Folks

You know MSN videos are not exactly "news", right?
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edit on 3/8/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Neither is MSNBC, according to their CEO.

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reply to post by Ross 54


Exodus is a pillar of fire and a pillar of cloud. It is mentioned in Num, Deu and Neh as well. Trying to say that was a flying scroll is ridiculous.

Concerning Zec, the 6th and 7th visions are explicitly explained by the Angel as being linked. He also explains what the scroll represents:

This, he continued, is the symbol of the sinners mentioned above and is the resemblance of their iniquity throughout the whole land.

He also said that he could clear see writing covering the front and back of the scroll.

One side of the scroll says that those who steal will be banished from the land; the other side says that those who swear falsely will be banished from the land

So the size of the scroll is more symbolic implying the message will be impossible for anyone to miss.

It would be more comparable to a plane carrying an Aerial Banner. To think otherwise indicates you have intentionally skipped the provided explanation which is located in the same chapter of Zec or you have no reading comprehension.

reply to post by raymundoko


So you're saying that just because the stars aren't close to each other that there can't be a planet there somewhere? What difference does that make? If you have FTL technology, almost nothing is impossible.

Those cigar ships were painted in paintings hundreds of years ago, so were saucers, they saw them too. They are keeping an eye on the nukes, buit how do they know there is a conflict ? I guess as advanced as they should be, they should definitely understand our languages and have intel through communications. Probably a big flying "god" computer. You can take out the god part if your an atheist and if you aren't then just choose a god, there were so many.

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


I'm saying no alien would come all this way and then claim to be from Taurus...

Taurus is a figment if the human imagination, just like all constellations.

How is it that in a city, there is always only like 1 unconvincing video in the time we live?... I mean, of all the UFO videos I've watched, and I've watched many, the things can always only bee seen from one perspective and that from that singe vdieo that exists.

reply to post by raymundoko


I don't understand your reasoning, but whatever. Everyone has a right to their opinion.

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


Do you really not understand that reasoning? Humans invented Taurus. It contains stars, nebula, star clusters and galaxies...It's a shape humans came up with for markers in the sky... It's stars are between 60 and 400 light years away so the stars aren't even close to each other.

If an alien were from a star we associate with Taurus they would not come here and say "we are from Taurus", because Taurus doesn't exist outside the human imagination...

reply to post by raymundoko


If they were an advanced civilization, they would use a reference point that we are familiar with...

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


You do know we are familiar with the stars in that region of space correct? Why wouldn't they just give us the star and planet they are from? By saying "we are from Taurus" they might as well be from earth since earth is closer to some stars in the Taurus Constellation than the stars in the constellation are to each other...It's such a broad area of space it doesn't make any sense whatsoever for an advanced species who has achieved the physically impossible task of FTL travel to say "We are from that general region of space". Now if you want to reason that it is for a point of reference, I would go one further and ask why would they be so generic? By saying "We are from Taurus" it would imply they are from one of the stars visible to the naked eye, and we are familiar enough with those stars to know that probably isn't the case.

It's a moronic trick of "Channelers" because they can use an area of space that covers hundreds of light years. They won't give a specific star or planet because then they could be easily debunked. I could say "I am from that point in space" and point to some random spot. Chances are I just pointed to spot that contains thousands of galaxies...chances are something is there right???

reply to post by raymundoko


I think that a supposed alien's mission in life is more than just squashing doubt. You have to consider that they are talking to all kinds of different people. They're not always talking to an an*l skeptic that has an intense need for the exact right coordinates. And even if they were, do you really think that an alien who has free will would do all that you demand of them? They have their motives for disclosing information or not disclosing information, just like anybody else. Not that any of this will convince you (I feel like I'm talking to a wall).

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


Yep, I'm the wall...

This from the person who puts stock in the ra material...

I've actually read "An ancient alien speaks". I doubt you have. I've found most people who put stock in it only know what they find on the internet and never read the original books in the 80's.

reply to post by raymundoko


Are you sure that's the right name? I googled it and came up nil. So therefore, I'd be surprised if anybody knows what you're talking about.

ETA: Also, this isn't a p**sing contest about who's been into aliens longer.

Wookiep
reply to post by Phage

 

"Dog pretends the floor is lava" ?? Heck yes that's news! It should be all over ATS by now as well.."Not exactly news", pfft.

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Agreed!

Lets just throw out the baby with the bath water..!

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


www.amazon.com...

I'm also not trying to get in a pissing contest. I'm saying the earth didn't change into a ball of energy in 2011 and Venus could never have a humanlike population.

Most people who learn about the ra material on the internet conveniently miss those parts of the ra material.

reply to post by raymundoko


Oh... you're talking about the Ra material! Of course I've read it! I've read all 105 sessions, or so. Where do you think I got that blurb about Tesla? But you called it something different...that's why I didn't recognize what you said. Why do you think my location says 6th density? Granted, the first time I read it was around December.

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


Yes I could tell you had researched it. Also, tesla never said anything about vibrations. I've gone over this in another thread. The first time that quote appeared was a decade after Tesla died by a guy selling a book about his magic purple vibrating plates....

However if you have actually read it all how can you actually put stock in it? Do you actually think a humanoid race is from Venus? Did the earth change form in 2011? Is the earth growing?

These are all failed scientific ideas from the 80's. Which is when the "channeling" occurred.

reply to post by raymundoko


I don't know what to say. As far as your discrediting of the Ra material, I don't think it's as cut-and-dried as you're making it. I think that as far as the prophecies in there, I think that what came to pass is a little more nuanced than the way you're making it out to be.