Revelation on the 144,000 - the Raptured?

Chapter 6:9 -- Those that died for the God of the Book are referenced. 6:9 = the Star of David, conceivably signifying since Judaism began those whom died with sincerity were smart tactic to store in heaven training in an unconditionally loving state.

6:10 --- Those who died for the God of the Book ask how long they have to wait. In the same chapter, the heavens unfurl as a little scroll, a scroll shaped object containing bulk love.

Chapter 7 passes Verse 7, ends on Verse 17. All twelve Jewish tribes are marked by God against attack, conceivably signifying the moral majority foundation they began.

The Lamb leads them to love, "living water." The mark on the forehead means unconditional love, selflessness before God, because lack of pride and desire unconditionally opens the third eye. 144,000 marked by 777: the circuit of prophecy is of two hemispheres of four, in Ch14 the 144,000 are unconditionally loving because (raptured by the Lamb of God?)

Chapter 8, a Lamp falls that induces a bitter drink. The Lamb falls to enlighten, endures slander for selfless advantage. The Lamp is called Wormwood: the primary active ingredient of absinthe; ah, bet sin / the a,b sin (letters rearranged). The wormwood contains 1/3rd of the waters, about the amount contained in the ice caps. Wormwood embitters, (cursed with slander?)

In Chapter 9, the locus - at locus / location - of a low key are instructed to harm not the unconditionally loving, those sealed by God with an unconditionally open peniel gland, nor the plants of the earth, and to torture them for five months: any delay past the fifth year.

Chapter 9 Verse 11, in Hebrew the Lamb is called Abaddon (framed by PII, nine turned toward the 11 or Roman Numeral 2, Mussolini's Nazi Fascist Propaganda Due for being A Bad Don), but in Greek he is Apollyon: Apollo the Lion defeated the serpent to rule the Sunna.

The Muslim fasts daylight hours during Ramadan: Ram a don, rush Israel the sun's return. Deliver fast.

Chapter 14, angels reap, they thrust a sharp sickle into the earth. They harvest the materially concerned if unwilling to cease committing crimes it is self defense to kill anyone for.

In verse 20, blood flows from the winepress for 180 miles, then in the next chapter the Wrath of God begins: the Basin to be approached as the bridge within Sunni Islam to Judgement Day.

Ch10 V10, after Thunder is forced out of heaven by the Sunna (he faces the Sun), the Lamb consumes the little scroll, and it makes his belly bitter in Ch14 V20, as if the blood / love (heart energy) it results in may be a drink inducive of vomiting.

Chapter 22 of Revelation, the fruit of the tree of life is returned to humanity, but denied sorcerers (mind control cults), whoremongers (666 may spread off a good lay), murderers, and idolaters - those whom project into abstract data, Even these succinct forum posts, sure reality.

One way to induce a rapture

Have the moral majority unify the Churches of the planet from the astral plane to telepathically transmit the original intended meanings of the Book. The Churches and the territory which surrounds them are moral fortifications, its soldiers learn to extract from volunteers every emotion except love, triggering selfless impetus to serve God.

Practice thoroughly defining the dimensions of fictional characters on paper, providing them lines, and playing the characters: to learn by surrounding one's self with props to enter diverse character roles. Once a day for about fifteen to thirty minutes, try to enter a trance. Then learn to identify, as an effort of focus, the release of every emotion except love - especially pride and desire.

Churches may ask to speak with angels willing to thoroughly validate they are unconditionally loving.

Revelation 2:4 on the Church in Ephesus (F is Us)

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

The two fours are the two fours of the 144,000. The first love is before conditioning, unconditional love as the lamp of the church being lit.

Somehow I think you've got the message distorted

reply to post by LokiToo


the churches:
Sardis
Philadelphia
Laodicea
Corinthia
Ephesus
Galatia
Thessalonia

Strangely are all .....gone.
The new testament was written to these churches and tells them all to get ready for the end of the age. But now they are all gone.

Imagine if Peter or Paul came to your church back then and preached the things that are in the New Testament to you. Or imagine if they sent a letter (epistle) to your church stating the things that are in there.

Would you think a letter written to you.....meant it was for you? If you got a letter in the mail today that was written to you.....would you think it was for someone else....2000 years in the future? Or would it be for you?

The New Testament is a collection of letters written to the Jewish churches of that time....they were written for all of us to read and understand but they were written to them.

Paul was a mysoginist usurper......He was invented......
Nicea put an end to the bible.................

reply to post by LokiToo


That's interesting cos my birth chart is the star of david just like jesus christ's birth chart




this pic has been outlined to show the seal of david better

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus


The churches are not gone but at the conclave of niceane most of them were merged under constantine into a single state church to facilitate a religion to tie his empire together but the Syriac orthodox church with I believe was one of these or rather had direct link's is still in existence as well, these churches were small community's of christian's in these city's and the letters were to make them turn back from corrupt and gnostic teaching's which were leading them astray as well as pagan practice's, in essence each letter to each church is to be applied to all churches today as in the unity of the sacrament we are all family in christ.
The best point is that these were not different denomination's as we have today but they were different group's by location and some of the named locations such as ephesus were later abandoned due to war and the fall of the roman empire as well as climactic fluctuation, Ephesus is a point in question along the Ionia coast it should have weathered these but religious change and war all had there impact and it's remarkable ruin's still stand to this day, another point is the lord warned them he would take there star away which meant they would be removed from the church as a whole if they did not ammend there way's, the small size of the early church magnified any errors and made them more fundemental as these early church enclaves were at the very root of the modern churches but have no doubt if the position in history was reversed the modern church would probably have had it's star removed but then it is the grown tree now so better to tend it and treat it than burn it down.

LABTECH767
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

The churches are not gone but at the conclave of niceane most of them were merged under constantine into a single state church to facilitate a religion to tie his empire together but the Syriac orthodox church with I believe was one of these or rather had direct link's is still in existence as well, these churches were small community's of christian's in these city's and the letters were to make them turn back from corrupt and gnostic teaching's which were leading them astray as well as pagan practice's, in essence each letter to each church is to be applied to all churches today as in the unity of the sacrament we are all family in christ.
The best point is that these were not different denomination's as we have today but they were different group's by location and some of the named locations such as ephesus were later abandoned due to war and the fall of the roman empire as well as climactic fluctuation, Ephesus is a point in question along the Ionia coast it should have weathered these but religious change and war all had there impact and it's remarkable ruin's still stand to this day, another point is the lord warned them he would take there star away which meant they would be removed from the church as a whole if they did not ammend there way's, the small size of the early church magnified any errors and made them more fundemental as these early church enclaves were at the very root of the modern churches but have no doubt if the position in history was reversed the modern church would probably have had it's star removed but then it is the grown tree now so better to tend it and treat it than burn it down.

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So.....like you said....the churches are gone.

It doesn't matter how you word it.....the churches (groups of believers) are now gone.

And the new testament was written to them. For us but to them.

Audience relevance is an important part of hermeneutics (the understanding of and study techniques of the Bible).

So either the bible lied (which I don't believe) or everything was fulfilled back then as the new testament said.

The new testament leaves no question that the churches (groups of believers) needed to get ready for the second coming of Christ and the implementation of the new kingdom which was to come during their generation, soon, before they could finish preaching the word in the cities of the region, etc etc.

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus


The groups of believers are not gone. The church is everyone who believes. The letters are to different types of believer. Look at what they are all warned against. All of the warnings are things that are still relevant to Christians today.

ketsuko
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

The groups of believers are not gone. The church is everyone who believes. The letters are to different types of believer. Look at what they are all warned against. All of the warnings are things that are still relevant to Christians today.

the warnings are relevant to Christians for ever......into eternity....that's not the point. These were actual letters written to these believers. Not written to anyone else. We get to read them and learn but they had timely significance.

Most modern christians (futurists) can't see this because the church needs people in the pews that think the apocalypse is coming.

The disciples asked Jesus when he would return (second coming)....Jesus answered them and said "don;t worry, you will not get through all of the cities in Israel (preaching) before I come (into his kingdom). Matt 10:23

Perhaps your making it overly complex..? I know for me you did. No doubt there is merit in your analytical deductions. For me, I would understand the 'letters' to carry down through the ages. . I would think of it in a simplistic way... such as... "Where two or more are gathered in my name, I am there also" and ...(sorry for inexact scripture wording)... go throughout the entire world and spread the gospel. Those who received the letters would share them to my way of thinking, and would take them and the rest of the gospel to the farthest reaches of the world ie. missionaries

reply to post by LokiToo


Even if you open you third eye and feel the bliss do not automatically mean that you love unconditionally.

Luke 14:26

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Even Jesus have the love/hate relationship with his followers. Love what they will be but annoyed that they do not listen and follow.

Sk8ergrl
reply to post by LokiToo

 

That's interesting cos my birth chart is the star of david just like jesus christ's birth chart

this pic has been outlined to show the seal of david better

Not really. First of all, the chart of Jesus would have to know the EXACT hour of his birth to produce a similar chart. No one has acknowledged even knowing the exact YEAR of his birth, much less the hour. Any birth chart for Jesus is highly speculative.

Secondly, you are picking on two "Grand Trines" of your chart amongst the many aspects included and highlighting them because your eye is drawn to them. Those two Grand Trines are not only not exact, they are also dependent on the leeway whatever astrologer gives to create them. In other words, that isn't really a Star of David. It kinda sorta looks a bit like a Star of David if you're willing to bend the rules of how one is supposed to be formed. It's kind of like saying 2 + 2 is kind of 4, more or less, if you're not too picky about the details. A "trine" is simply a separation of two planets by 120 degrees. A "Grand Trine" is three points: 120 + 120 + 120 = 360, or a full circle. Your two Grand Trines are approximate PLUS the two related to each other are even more "approximate" in terms of forming a Star of David.

Thirdly, it looks to me like the Midheaven (MC) is way off here. It's supposed to be the cusp of the 10th house in most systems and it looks like yours is the cusp of the 8th. I'd have to have your exact specs to work out a chart for comparison purposes, but with the Midheaven in the wrong place, a major point in one of the Grand Trines wouldn't exist, and neither would your Star of David.

Also, the use of Chiron in your chart is suspect for several reasons. It's a comet, not a planet, very erratic, and I've never seen it used as a planet before to serve as the focus of a Grand Trine. Further, it was only discovered in 1977, so it is hardly part of astrology as practiced for many hundreds of years. It's really an apples and oranges situation. In astrology there are literally dozens and dozens of "points" one could use in casting a chart, and this smacks of selective bias in choosing it, far more so because your second Grand Trine is dependent upon it and without which it does not exist.

In other words, if another astrologer cast your chart according to generally accepted principles of astrology, neither of your Grand Trines would exist, and neither would your Star of David. Of course it all may be a moot point because there is little to be gained by comparing your chart to that of a mythical chart for Jesus and I'm unsure what any of it has to do with the basic issue of this thread. In any case, get your chart done again.

Sk8ergrl
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That's interesting cos my birth chart is the star of david just like jesus christ's birth chart

this pic has been outlined to show the seal of david better

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reply to post by LokiToo

.... All twelve Jewish tribes are marked by God against attack, conceivably signifying the moral majority foundation they beg...

the 144,000 (12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes of Israel) are not ALL Jewish Tribes...
in fact the Jews & Levites are the only 2 Tribes of Israel that are known... the other 10 Tribes are & have been 'Lost'
or otherwise unknown ever since the Babylonian Captivity, somewhere near 2,400 years ago


the Idea with the 'Sealing' of the 144,000 (12K from each of the 12 Tribes) is to make-known the Identities of those Lost 10 Tribes even as the Anti-Christ Reveals himself & forces the world population to receive the antichrist 'Mark'
This is a operation by God to 'Seal' his genetic Tribes in contrast to the '666' Mark on the antichrist peoles...
making Known the Lost 10 Tribes as to the People/Nationalities who had no idea they were genetically associated with the Lost Israelite Tribes will somehow be a thorn to the antichrist/false-prophet Empire

The 144,000 will endure as long as the Ministry of the Two Witnesses stay alive (during that 3 1/2 year Great Tribulation period)
but just when the Two Witnesses get slain--- so too will the 144,000 get killed/beheaded


i don't follow all that 'Love' stuff in your worldview/interpretation of Eschatology, End Times

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus


If that were the case, every denomination would have to be millennialist, and nowhere near all of them are. I was brought up in a denomination that isn't. My own millennialist beliefs are due more to my own gut instinct than any church teachings or preachings. The very most I was ever taught out of the Book of Revelation was the bit about Jesus coming soon, but it was always done in a vague way as though it could happen at some point in the next 10 years or the next 1,000 or never. Certainly it was never the "selling" point of the church to get people into the pews.

Plotus
Perhaps your making it overly complex..? I know for me you did. No doubt there is merit in your analytical deductions. For me, I would understand the 'letters' to carry down through the ages. . I would think of it in a simplistic way... such as... "Where two or more are gathered in my name, I am there also" and ...(sorry for inexact scripture wording)... go throughout the entire world and spread the gospel. Those who received the letters would share them to my way of thinking, and would take them and the rest of the gospel to the farthest reaches of the world ie. missionaries

the latin word is actually "land" not "world".....so Jesus told them to preach throughout the "land".....futurists have this belief that they had to teach the word to the whole world....just not so....they had to teach to the Jewish state of Israel....proclaiming the Jewish King Jesus. He even told them not to worry about Egypt and other non-jew states. That they would be brought into the fold later.

ketsuko
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

If that were the case, every denomination would have to be millennialist, and nowhere near all of them are. I was brought up in a denomination that isn't. My own millennialist beliefs are due more to my own gut instinct than any church teachings or preachings. The very most I was ever taught out of the Book of Revelation was the bit about Jesus coming soon, but it was always done in a vague way as though it could happen at some point in the next 10 years or the next 1,000 or never. Certainly it was never the "selling" point of the church to get people into the pews.

no.....we are just simply in whatever comes after. The Bible doesn't tell us what comes after everything is fulfilled.

This is it.

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus


And yours is just one of the schools of thought. There are several.

ketsuko
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

And yours is just one of the schools of thought. There are several.

uh.....no kidding.

I have no more proof of my beliefs than a futurist (you) or a historisist (Luther) does.

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus


I see your point and was not disputing it but have seen a worrying trend of late among many whom think the esoteric is the truth and have turned to gnosis, while gnosis is good when applied with faith to over rule those little nagging questions it can throw up and the well over two thousand years of sophist belief which wormed it's way into various christian sect's as well as the main churches themselves with all the pitfall's and trap's that are lain among it's hidden occultist esoteric tradition's it is alway's good to remember like moses god tended to choose the humble and not the philosophers as his servant's but sometime's particularly good men among them did and do serve his will such as Joseph of Arymithea or indeed the fabled Solomon.
For me though I accept my opinions may be wrong but they are personal, I believe in the resurection to a new form as spoken by christ when a problematic scenario was posited to him about a woman whom married only for her husband to die and she than as was the tradition had to marry his brother with the express purpose of begetting an heir for her dead husband and so went through seven brothers, you know the parable, He replied that in the resurrection we are neither given nor taken in marriage and woman and men are equal in the sight of god, indeed they are of the same form as the angel's being given a new celestial/universal/spiritual/angelic body like the angel's, which plays into the passage that man was made to work, we (or those whom are deemed worthy or given such mercy by the lord) are the next generation of angel's (which raised question's were the angel's a previous race of man) and for me judgement day comes for each of us before the almighty as spiritual being's, and We can die anytime so our own judgement day is alway's a whisker away though it may also be a mass judgement of all the soul's of man, as you also know the damned are also immortal but cast into the eternal damnation and the lake of fire were there WORM shall not die.
I accept I may be wrong but I believe in God the Father and Jesus and believe you do also.
What I was driving at is that among the Gnostic path and the Sophist tradition's are many road's and secret order's which lead only to damnation and service to those whom are not god, Remember how the Alpha and Omega bade John of Patmos to stand for they were fellow servant's of the Lord and would not suffer him to bow before him, well among the sophist's and the Gnostics they have rank's especially among the terribly misguided and incorrect masonic orders and have as part of there initiation bowing and being led, Beware the blind leading the blind for they go streight into the hole, as part of there initiationa blindfold is used and they claim it is symbolic of being shown the light for the first time, WHOSE LIGHT.
You know they have even twisted sophisim and gnosis to such a perverse degree that they interprest christ as Lucifer, Remember how they accused christ of casting demon's out by the authority of Baal Zebub and how christ replied if satan cast satan out how could he stand, a house divided can not stand.
I just wish they would see there error and turn away before many good soul's among's them are lost.
I have said my peace and wish not to divert your thread but I think you understand.