Underwater Harbors in America...7000 years old, history rewritten, atlantis everywhere?

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There is no pier at Tiahuanaco. Titicaca cannot reach the site as it's outflow is far below the elevation of Tiahuanaco, as are other areas, shouild the lake flood.

Harte

reply to post by Harte

The structure known as the Puma Punka appears to be the remains of a great
pier
and this makes sense for Lake Titicaca long ago lapped upon the shores of Tiahuanaco.
One of the construction blocks from which the
pier
was fashioned weighs an estimated 440 tons (equal to nearly 600 full-size cars) and several other blocks are between 100 and 150 tons.
The quarry for these giant blocks was on the western shore of Titicaca, some ten miles away.
There is no known technology in the ancient Andean world that could have transported stones of such massive weight and size. The Andean people of 500 AD, with their simple reed boats, could certainly not have moved them.

www.worldreviewer.com...

i see the word pier

Tiahuanaco sits high in the Andes at an altitude of around 2 miles above sea level. The location is curious as a lake nearby to lake Titicaca, with which the site is associated,
is a sea-water lake, apparently with sea-fauna still present.
Indications of man-made structures below the level of lake Titicaca (which is slowly drying up over time), suggests that our understanding of the site is far from complete.

In addition, the style, size and skill demonstrated by the vast number of precision-cut cyclopean stones at Tiahuanaco (and nearby Puma-punka) reminds us that cutting and moving 100+ ton stones was common-place for the highly skilled builders of the complex, who also managed to move the stones over tens of miles from distant quarries to Tiahuanaco, which at such a high altitude is in itself, a remarkable physical feat.

www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...

i was thinking maybe what we called earth they called atlantis. but more in the sense that atlantis is the whole world maybe a one nation kinda thing

Hi Danbones,

It's unfortunate the site (atlantisbolivia.org) lumped in modern man-made canals with ancient geoglyphs and natural waterways. Their claims suffer from a lack of bonafide archeological data.

While your post focuses mostly on S. America, some of these images have turned up before, with claims of an ancient civilization in N. America.

Ancient Canals in America

A canal 7,000 years old would have silted over long ago, and the canals depicted at the site above look to be recently dredged. The other images are documented geoglpyhs, but without the "Atlantis" conjecture. The site also uses images of the ever-shifting rivers in Amazon, but it's fantasy to conjecture these as man-made constructs, ancient or otherwise. Coupling these with the known ancient canals of Peru, it seems the goal is to present this as Atlantis.

You could just as easily point out the things about these sites that do not conform to Plato's description of Atlantis, as you could find that do. It's an exercise in futility.

Interesting Speaking of thing that under the Sea and Oceans

What about that Particular . Place not so far away from Cuba ! of Some Ancient City Ruin that has Claimed Pyramids..

and Stoned Roads between The Bermuda Triangle and to Cuba .

I Agree there are a Lot of Ancient Lost Technology on Both the Old and the New World.

I still Claim There was a One World Ancient Trade Routes and a lot of Anomaly OOparts that Claim that!

The Most I would say that we cant Deny is the Pri Reis Map Showing a Partial un-iced Antarctica which Reis himself has claimed he Used Ancient thousand of Years Old Maps to make His Map and Claims that those Ancient Maps were Originally from the Library of Alexandria .. ? Trade Routes Hmm as Tobacco and Cocaine Found with Mummy's of Egypt Native Plants From the New World . and Similarity of the Old and New !!




Stone Carving that are Similar in some way Oceans Apart

New World

Tiwanaku

Puma Punku




Easter Island



Old World






Turkey




Look Angels ! or Winged Gods

Middle East Assyrian Sumarian


South America Peru tiwanaku Look like angels bird men


Heres A Little Proof of a Connection

Some Similarity's from the Old and New






Well here is a Site that Show Similarity's from the Old and New World of Artifacts

( A Must Read for the Curious With Pictures Showing the Similarity ) !

Artefacts found in Bolivia and South America suggest an ancient Sumerian connection
www.atlantisbolivia.org...

As I Said There Must of Been a Ancient Trade Routes to Settlements in the New World

From Different Cultures and Races Going to Mexico & South America From the OLD WORLD

and Why Not North America ?

Something to Do with from the Last Ice Age may be the reason ?
From the last Ice Age Thousands of Years Ago a Wild Guess
Yet there some Ancient Artifacts OpParts in north America

NORTH AMERICA DURING THE LAST 150,000 YEARS
www.esd.ornl.gov...

From NASA

Science Briefs
Sea Level Rise, After the Ice Melted and Today

By Vivien Gornitz — January 2007

The rate of sea level rise slowed between 14,000 and 12,000 years ago during the Younger Dryas cold period and was succeeded by another surge, "meltwater pulse 1B", 11,500-11,000 years ago, when sea level may have jumped by 28 m according to Fairbanks, although subsequent studies indicate it may have been much less. Meltwater from glacial Lake Agassiz (southwest of Hudson Bay) draining catastrophically into the North Atlantic via Lake Superior and the St. Laurence seaway was once thought to have initiated ocean circulation changes leading to the Younger Dryas cold period. Regional removal of ice sheets, however, occurred nearly 1000 years later, and hence draining of Lake Agassiz could not likely have caused the Younger Dryas cold reversal. This cold spell may have instead been triggered by increased outflow into the Arctic Ocean, the Fram Strait east of Greenland, and ultimately the eastern North Atlantic, between 12,900 and 12,800 years before present, as suggested by the glacial model of Tarasov and Peltier. On the other hand, Leventer et al. indicate that the timing of deglaciation in eastern Antarctica roughly coincides with the onset of meltwater pulse 1B. A fourth interval of rapid sea level rise 8200-7600 years ago was first identified by a hiatus in coral growth in the Caribbean about 7600 years ago. Although less firmly established than the other such intervals, it is supported by stratigraphic data from elsewhere including Chesapeake Bay; the Mississippi River delta; the Yellow River in China; coastal Lancashire, England; and Limfjord, northwestern Denmark. This spurt has been linked to a cold event 8200 year ago, which apparently resulted from the catastrophic drainage of glacial Lakes Agassiz and Ojibway around 8400 yrs ago, releasing a volume of about 105 cubic kilometers within a few years or even less. But it only produced about 1 meter of global sea level rise, assuming an even spread of this volume spread across the world's oceans. Yet even this minor increase in sea level left an imprint in the stratigraphic record. By the mid-Holocene period, 6000-5000 years ago, glacial melting had essentially ceased, while ongoing adjustments of Earth's lithosphere due to removal of the ice sheets gradually decreased over time. Thus, sea level continued to drop in formerly glaciated regions and rise in areas peripheral to the former ice sheets. At many low-latitude ocean islands and coastal sites distant from the effects of glaciation, sea level stood several meters higher than present during the mid-Holocene and has been falling ever since. This phenomenon is due to lithospheric responses to changes in ice and water loading. Water is "siphoned" away from the central equatorial ocean basins into depressed areas peripheral to long-gone ice sheets. Loading by meltwater that has been added to the oceans also depresses far-field continental shelves, tilting the shoreline upward and thus lowering local sea level. Over the past few thousand years, the rate of sea level rise remained fairly low, probably not exceeding a few tenths of a millimeter per year.

www.giss.nasa.gov...

Interesting ..

this page is interesting
manistsu manitou...menes the great admiral of the seven seas as he was known...

Parallels Between the Hopi and the Sumerian Cultures

by Robert Morningsky
The Hopi believe the Creator of Man is a woman. The Sumerians believed the Creator of Man was a woman.

The Hopi believe the Father Creator is KA. The Sumerians believed the Father Essence was KA.

The Hopi believe Taiowa, the Sun God, is the Creator of the Earth. The Sumerians believe TA.EA was the Creator.

The Hopi believe two brothers had guardianship of the Earth. The Sumerians believed two brothers had dominion over the Earth.....

www.dreamscape.com...



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Posting work written by others.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

i posted where they make the distinctions between modern and anomaly

and tiahuanaco has canals that aren't silted over at twelve thousand years ago

and florida has white people and low manmade islands at some 7000 years ago ( VERIFIED ]
in the area of the canals
when the conventional wisdom said a thousand years

it appears you may not have been reading the thread
you are just ad homineming my op
lol
certainly some canals are not thats stated right out front every where..hence the need to investigate
just sayin there is some good stuff ther BM don't throw the bay out with the bath water just yet

biggmoneyme
i was thinking maybe what we called earth they called atlantis. but more in the sense that atlantis is the whole world maybe a one nation kinda thing

thats the idea of the thread

the aryan goths sargon and menes/manitou/manistusu
were a ruling race that rekindled civilization after the glaciers melted

the working celtic cross was the tool that made it possible
which alone is a total game changer

we have a date for white man at 5000 bc in florida
same date as coc aine and tobacco mummy king tut
we have ancient canals..we only needed one
we have sunken civilization in several places
we have elevated from sea level civilization and canals and a sea harbour at a couple thousand feet up 12000 years ago
we have the disaster and sea level rise
we have congruant names for the same ruler on four continents and some smaller regions
we have troy in britain
we have sumerian terms in the language in north america

i haven't even really touched on the other correlations yet
language..math..astronomy, archetecture...customs


then there are the red haired mummies we find all over the place...

there is just so much

and what alternative histories are there that actually can compete?

reply to post by Wolfenz


excellent post thank you
i mean how did those pyramids and stones happen
magic ?...

the word tepe - low hill and teepee....

Danbones
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

excellent post thank you
i mean how did those pyramids and stones happen
magic ?...

the word tepe - low hill and teepee....

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Well Speaking Tepe a Sumerian or Persian or Turkish Word in IRAN

A Little off topic but not so Much..

Something to think about !





Cydonia Mars

Iran


Tepe Teepee hmm Just Maybe


Well ILL BE !!


"Great Surprise"—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins
Oldest human genome reveals less of an East Asian ancestry than thought.
news.nationalgeographic.com...

Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought, according to a newly sequenced genome.

Based on the arm bone of a 24,000-year-old Siberian youth, the research could uncover new origins for America's indigenous peoples, as well as stir up fresh debate on Native American identities, experts say. The study authors believe the new study could also help resolve some long-standing puzzles on the peopling of the New World, which include genetic oddities and archaeological inconsistencies. (Explore an atlas of the human journey.) "These results were a great surprise to us," said study co-author and ancient-DNA specialist Eske Willerslev, of the University of Copenhagen, Denmark. "I hadn't expected anything like this. A genome related to present-day western Eurasian populations and modern Native Americans as well was really puzzling in the beginning. How could this happen?" So what's new? The arm bone of a three-year-old boy from the Mal'ta site near the shores of Lake Baikal in south-central Siberia (map) yielded what may be the oldest genome of modern humans ever sequenced. DNA from the remains revealed genes found today in western Eurasians in the Middle East and Europe, as well as other aspects unique to Native Americans, but no evidence of any relation to modern East Asians. (Related: "Is This Russian Landscape the Birthplace of Native Americans?")

From National Geographic Themselves ! Middle East!! >?? Hmm Interesting ! HUh?

just to comment on the cydonia pic
it looks like an earth....mars work pyramid..with craters right opposite the damaged portions

but a pyramid on mars?
we can't even explain the ones on earth lol

Danbones
just to comment on the cydonia pic
it looks like an earth....mars work pyramid..with craters right opposite the damaged portions

but a pyramid on mars?
we can't even explain the ones on earth lol

Exactly

we cant even explain earths own Anomaly's of The Old and New World Ancient Ruins in How they were Built !

Many Theories to go By .

Come on Moving Mammoth Stones from a quarry to 400 miles away ? Cairo/giza Egypt ! and 1 to 100 miles away I think in Peru in High Plains!!

Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought, according to a newly sequenced genome.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

sure that what i always said im huron ojibway...irish french creole
the eldars always said we cam from the east...travling on the ice is not a new thing

A third of both juveniles' DNA can be traced to the earliest European. Physical evidence also supports this European origin: Archeologists discovered 30 ivory pendants at Mal'ta, the Stone Age settlement site near Lake Baikal where the remains were found. The pendants show great similarity to ones found at Hohle Fels cave, an important Paleolithic site in southern Germany's Swabian Jura mountains.

www.spiegel.de...

well, lets take a look at some roots

mal'ta from the previous post

The Mal'ta-Buret' culture is an archaeological culture of the Upper Paleolithic (c. 24,000 to 15,000 BP) on the upper Angara River in the area west of Lake Baikal in the Irkutsk Oblast, Siberia, Russian Federation. The type sites are named for the villages of Mal'ta (Мальта), Usolsky District and Buret' (Буреть), Bokhansky District (both in Irkutsk Oblast).

Research published in 2014 indicates that the Mal'ta people may have made a substantial contribution to the genetic ancestry of the American Indians.

Gerasimov first achieved fame for his excavation of Mal'ta in 1927. At the time, the discoveries he made were revolutionary in the field of anthropology. Until his findings, scientists had not imagined that Upper Paleolithic societies of Northern and Central Asia were capable of the same level of culture as those of Europe. Over the course of his career Gerasimov would twice more visit Mal'ta for excavation and research, each time completing findings that were just as remarkable.

Evidence seems to indicate that Mal'ta is the most ancient site in eastern Siberia; however, relative dating illustrates some irregularities. The use of flint flaking and the absence of pressure flaking used in the manufacture of tools, as well as the continued use of earlier forms of tools, seem to confirm the fact that the site belongs to the early Upper Paleolithic. Yet it lacks typical skreblos (large side scrapers) that are common in other Siberian Paleolithic sites. Additionally, other common characteristics such as pebble cores, wedge-shaped cores, burins, and composite tools have never been found. The lack of these features, combined with an art style found in only one other nearby site, make Mal'ta culture unique in Siberia.

Symbolism[edit]

Discussing this easternmost outpost of paleolithic culture, Joseph Campbell finishes by commenting on the symbolic forms of the artifacts found there:

We are clearly in a paleolithic province where the serpent, labyrinth, and rebirth themes already constitute a symbolic constellation, joined with the imagery of the sunbird and shaman flight, with the goddess in her classic role of protectress of the hearth, mother of man's second birth, and lady of wild things and of the food supply. [1]
Relationship to American Indians[edit]

Research published in 2014 suggests that the Mal'ta people were important genetic contributors to the American Indians. Between 14 and 38 percent of American Indian ancestry may originate from gene flow from the Mal'ta Buret people. [2]

The genetic findings at Mal'ta may also help account for the Caucasian chacteristics of Kennewick Man, a 9,000 year old skeleton discovered in the state of Washington. Mal'ta suggests that the Upper Paleolithic population of western Eurasia may have spread into Siberia and contributed to the physical characteristics of some early American Indians who were different from the East Asians who contributed most of the genetic heritage of the indigenous people of the Americas.[3]

en.wikipedia.org...'ta-Buret'_culture

here is a nice little intro to DNA




here by tribe:
en.wikipedia.org...

the Mandan are said to have spoke welsh but im having trouble with that so far
but then we have the white dna in florida verified according to the documentary posted earlier at 5000 YBN

there is a political push i have heard with kenniwick man, to bury the truth because first nation status might be questioned...
like in florida where the past date before the discoveries mentioned at 5000 y ago was about a 1000 years ago

"In 1979 got a hold of Letter and Notes on North American Indians. Two very large Volumes with his writing's and Art. The hate has suppressed and destroyed evidence of European's building and civilization in Mid West.. This is not speculation, but facts... Lewis and Clark, were freaked by the Mandan's, and knew that instinctively they were white. Blue eyes Green eyes, and Blonde brunette hair un mistakable European features. Thanks to George Catlin art work their features still here.. Small Pox and invading attacks by neighboring savages wiped them out by 1849.. The remaining women and children were taken prisoner by Ricarree's, that had been given sanctuary generations before by the Mandan's according to Catlin.. "

In 1832, lawyer, frontiersman and pictorial historian George Catlin lived for several months among the Mandan Indians, near the site of present- day Bismarck, North Dakota.

The Mandans were distinctly different from all other native American tribes Catlin had encountered, not least for the fact that one-fifth or one-sixth of them were "nearly white" with light blue eyes. Catlin deemed the Mandans to be "advanced farther in the arts of manufacture," than any other Indian nation, and their lodges were equipped with "more comforts and luxuries of life."

Some Mandan women, especially, possessed almost Nordic features -- characteristics clearly shown in Catlin's surviving portraits of Sha-ko-ka ("Mint") and Mi-neek-e-sunk-te-ka ("Mink"). Apart from their Indian clothing, these women might have been mistaken for Europeans.
Catlin described Mandan women as having "a mildness and sweetness of expression, and excessive modesty of demeanor," rendering them "exceedingly pleasing and beautiful." He found Mandans in general to be "a very interesting and pleasing people in their personal appearance and manners, differing in many respects, both in looks and customs, from all the other tribes I have seen."

As he got to know them better, Catlin became more and more intrigued by the Mandans' "peculiarities." They claimed to be descended from a white man who came in a big canoe, which their oral tradition said had come to rest on a high mountain after a great flood that destroyed everything on earth. A symbolical representation of this canoe occupied a religious shrine in their public square.

100777.com...

Ancient tablet found in Iraq describes round Noah's ark

It turned out, Finkel said, to be “one of the most important human documents ever discovered.”
“It was really a heart-stopping moment — the discovery that the boat was to be a round boat,” said Finkel. “That was a real surprise.”

Finkel is aware his discovery may cause consternation among believers in the biblical story. When 19th-century British Museum scholars first learned from cuneiform tablets that the Babylonians had a flood myth, they were disturbed by its striking similarities to the story of Noah.
“Already in 1872 people were writing about it in a worried way — what does it mean that holy writ appears on this piece of Weetabix?” he joked, referring to a cereal similar in shape to the tablet.
Finkel has no doubts.
“I'm sure the story of the flood and a boat to rescue life is a Babylonian invention,” he said.
He believes the tale was likely passed on to the Jews during their exile in Babylon in the 6th century B.C.
And he doesn't think the tablet provides evidence the ark described in the Bible existed. He said it's more likely that a devastating real flood made its way into folk memory, and has remained there ever since.
“I don't think the ark existed — but a lot of people do,”

triblive.com...

25 PERSON DAVIT LAUNCHED LIFERAFT (NG) ROUND

www.surviteczodiac.com...

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in the jesuit recollection by Father Jean De Brebeuf writin regarding the white living amoungst the wendat/huron in my town said they were really suprised at how the huron creation myth was so close to their biblical one
to bad the huron lived in a nice place
now no more huron/wendat here...almost none left at all any where

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A cherokee eldar told me once there are huge piles of bones at the foot of the falls of the ohio ( river i think )
they were white, and they were wiped out for crimes against the surrounding people by the surrounding people
ill try to dig up a confirmation on that

Danbones
reply to post by Harte

 

The structure known as the Puma Punka appears to be the remains of a great
pier
and this makes sense for Lake Titicaca long ago lapped upon the shores of Tiahuanaco.
One of the construction blocks from which the
pier
was fashioned weighs an estimated 440 tons (equal to nearly 600 full-size cars) and several other blocks are between 100 and 150 tons.
The quarry for these giant blocks was on the western shore of Titicaca, some ten miles away.
There is no known technology in the ancient Andean world that could have transported stones of such massive weight and size. The Andean people of 500 AD, with their simple reed boats, could certainly not have moved them.

www.worldreviewer.com...

i see the word pier

Yes. You can find many words associated with Pumapunku. But figure two on this webpage shows the levels of Titicaca going back to 7,000 BC.

Tiahuanco was constructed in the Common Era (A.D., i.e.)

I should note that, even without the drainage of Titicaca provided by the Desaguadero River (and evaporation,) the lake would easily overflow into other pathways with lower elevations than Pumapunku before it could possibly reach Pumapunku.

Harte

I find this kind of study extremely interesting. I will be looking up these sources. I recommend a book you all might be familiar with. Atlantis and the kingdom of the Neanderthal. It's a very well written book.