Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

whatnext21
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

I am still going with something happened an hour into the flight that caused catastrophic failure. The new info that the co-pilot made a call on his cell leads me to believe that the electrical systems had major failure and the co-pilots cell phone was used to try to make a call to alert that they were doing everything they could to get the plane under control. The pilot must have been giving every ounce of everything in his power to control the craft.

[snipped for space]

If it was a situation where the pilots were trying to control a plane that had suffered some catastrophic event like this, wouldn't it be more likely they'd both be fully focused on trying to stabilise and fly it, and ask cabin crew to try to contact land instead of doing it themselves?

I share your hope that this was a terrible accident rather than a deliberate act, though.

OatDelphi

I say this because it should be noticed that in this new article the timeline for the Captain's last messenger use is given, yet there is not one mention of the previously suspected/rumored phone call that supposedly took place 8 min before takeoff.

So right there we have two conflicting reports where neither of them have been given any credence by official statements or acknowledgement.

I think the phone call by the pilot just before take off was discredited by officials. The last messenger use via Whatsapp was to flight attendant (who was also on board) Goh Sock Lay.


Also re: official statements and acknowledgement, found this, in regards to recent revelation that co-pilot made call near Penang:

Government can't confirm phone call

Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein said the authorities have received a lot of reports and leads, including from local and foreign media organisations, but when they investigated the leads, they turned out to be baseless.
"Unless we can have verifications, we can't comment on these reports," said Hishammuddin.
He was commenting on the New Straits Times frontpage report yesterday which said that the co-pilot of MH370 Fariq Abd Hamid made a call from his mobile phone while the plane was flying low over Penang on the day the plane went missing.
"If this did happened, we would have known about it earlier," said Hishammuddin.

roadgravel

He tries to call someone. Since no radio calls were made, one would think he was calling to attempt to report a problem or high jack because the radios are out or he cannot get access. (But there was the reported JAL plane contact).

If he has time to call mom he should have had time to radio a Mayday.

Just want to add, that if this attempted phone call was made, and as it is reported it was to a number he frequently used, perhaps he called the last number or what was on his speed dial, because time was of the essence, knowing that it was a long shot given the altitude and speed of the aircraft.

So why can't the president of that telco come right out and say what exactly they know.

This makes me think the Malaysia government is in a big cover up. The flight crew...

"China radar image of MH370 on ocean floor under Singapore airspace"

So why hasn't China gone there and broke the story.

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I think the writer of that article needs to study their geography a wee bit better.

Singapore is on the southern tip of the Malaysian Peninsular... the last contact was as the plane was changing airspace between Malaysia and Vietnam... much further north.

roadgravel
So why can't the president of that telco come right out and say what exactly they know.

This makes me think the Malaysia government is in a big cover up. The flight crew...

I don't know buddy, I don't know.

I wonder who actually owns that telecommunications tower.

Having said before about brushing up on geography :

I am beyond confused right now and really question the reports of this phone call attempt.

MSM are saying that the phone call attempt, or "reattachment", was to a tower on the Island of Penang, when the plane was 5,000 ft high, at the moment,or just before the moment of complete disconnection of of transponder and contact, .... which was somewhere over the sea NorthEast of Malaysia, between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace.

But Penang is due west of Butterworth, which is on the Western side of the peninsula. What the actual malarkey?!

Edit: If anyone can make sense of the following, please translate into Aurora-Speak. I just cannot compute anymore.

he New Straits Times has learnt that investigators are poring over this discovery as they try to piece together what had happened moments before the Boeing 777-22ER twinjet went off the radar, some 200 nautical miles (320km) northwest of Penang on March 8.
It is understood that the aircraft with 239 people on board was flying at an altitude low enough for the nearest telecommunications tower to pick up his phone's signal..
A different set of sources close to the investigations told the NST that checks on Fariq's phone showed that connection to the phone had been "detached" before the plane took off.
"This is usually the result of the phone being switched off. At one point, however, when the airplane was airborne, between waypoint Igari and the spot near Penang (just before it went missing from radar), the line was 'reattached'.
"A 'reattachment' does not necessarily mean that a call was made. It can also be the result of the phone being switched on again," the sources said.
The jetliner disappeared from commercial radar about an hour later, while it was flying over the South China Sea.
Experts said it was possible for a mobile phone to be connected to a telecommunications tower at an altitude of 7,000 feet.
An NST exclusive on March 16, quoted investigators as saying that the jetliner had dropped to as low as 5,000 feet after it made the turnback at waypoint Igari in the South China Sea before it crossed Peninsular Malaysia headed towards Penang.

article source

reply to post by auroraaus

News People are just throwing any old crap out now. Look at the exopolitics article.

After watching this for a month, if you still have any faith in the system, I praise your optimism.

reply to post by roadgravel


Nice find, on google maps if you do a zoomed out Sat image, you get a nice image of the planets surface - contours - details etc, but if you zoom in you loose these details with the sea bed and just get a surface image, this is a shame as im sure to see the sea bed close up would be usefull.

reply to post by auroraaus

It is saying the FO phone connected to a tower as it passed west over the Malay penn after the black out. There is a sentence out of order in the middle.

But the Malay big man says it is not true because he would have been told.

I have starting ignoring Malay official stuff. But others there are not talking either.

Brocade

whatnext21
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

I am still going with something happened an hour into the flight that caused catastrophic failure. The new info that the co-pilot made a call on his cell leads me to believe that the electrical systems had major failure and the co-pilots cell phone was used to try to make a call to alert that they were doing everything they could to get the plane under control. The pilot must have been giving every ounce of everything in his power to control the craft.

[snipped for space]

If it was a situation where the pilots were trying to control a plane that had suffered some catastrophic event like this, wouldn't it be more likely they'd both be fully focused on trying to stabilise and fly it, and ask cabin crew to try to contact land instead of doing it themselves?

I share your hope that this was a terrible accident rather than a deliberate act, though.

It would only make sense if some kind of bizarre event happened in the cabin (hijacking?) to incapacitate the crew and passengers - pilot/s locked in the cockpit might fly low to try and establish communication via cellphone.

The pure speculation is excruciating. The wreckage needs to be found.

So the tranport/defence minister says that there was NO telephone call but the "issue" remains with the police.

Okay, wish he would elaborate on what the issue is. The supposed call or attempt of one... the phone merely being switched back on... leaks to the media... darn it Mr, elaborate!!

Hishammuddin, however, reiterated that the focus was always on locating the plane first, which has been missing for 37 days since it disappeared from radar screens on March 8.

He also said that there was no telephone call made by MH370 co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid when the plane was flying low on the day it disappeared as reported in a local daily.

However, he said, the issue would be in the realm of the police and other relevant international agencies and would be revealed when the time came.

"I don't want to speculate on that out of respect of the families of the pilot and co-pilot. And I don't want to disturb the investigations being done now, not only by Malaysian police but other intelligence agencies," he said.

From article about custody of black box

reply to post by auroraaus

Maybe he is saying that his lies and those of his government will all be revealed when thee time is right. I could actually believe that one.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Tallone

 

And taking no. 1 doesn't change the fact that the laws of physics still apply. You can not believe anything the media or government says, and be so own minded your brain falls out. But that's not going to change how aircraft fly, or how far they can fly.

You talk about logic and reason, well no matter how you look at it, the aircraft can't fly out of Kuala Lumpur with enough fuel to get its full range. Unless of course it took off without passengers or cargo.

Now you're cooking with fire. I like that theory. No passengers, cargo, or crew! This was a test for a Boeing fully remote controlled flying "terrorist weapon". This was just a test with no target. MH370 was probably flown to Diego Garcia, broken up, loaded on a military cargo ship bound for Melbourne, so they could dump it in the Indian Ocean garbage gyre so it would never be found.

The next time Boeing aircraft disappear it will involve normal flights carrying passengers, will involve multiple aircraft (like 911, all Boeing aircraft) and it will be made possible using the Boeing Uninterruptible Auto Pilot. Boeing is a defense contractor it must be understood. It should be obvious by now that they are not telling the truth in so many ways and they are not going to retrieve any wreckage or black boxes. This was all a test to see how easily the media via the boob tube can lead people to believe something happened, which in fact didn't. It could be a complete fabrication. Let me take a guess as to what network broke the news, CNN? They are perfecting their propaganda mind control. People will believe anything that comes from the TV.

There is no logical explanation for all the changing accounts involved with this incident. That leaves only the unfathomable, not nice to believe but it's all that's left. The U.S., U.K., Malaysians, and Saudis are practicing for the next 911. Will it be in 2014?

So the passengers were just killed as that entered the jetway leading to the plane and some how dumped into vehicles or some thing.

roadgravel
So the passengers were just killed as that entered the jetway leading to the plane and some how dumped into vehicles or some thing.

What passengers? The names that were provided on the Malaysian Airlines passenger manifest? There's less than a handful on there that are constantly referred to in the media. Philip Wood and the guy from New Zealand are all I've heard about. The majority are from China and Malaysia and there has been very little told of them. The Chinese relatives could be footage from some other disaster. This is just my speculation, that it's all a massive fabrication. Show me the evidence, is there video footage of Philip Wood boarding this aircraft? There must be because the liars have shown the pilot and co-pilot walking through a check point. Where is Philip Wood walking through? They did have the photo shopped Iranians who shared the same legs, lol. Besides that farce where are any other passengers seen boarding this mythical flight MH370? I haven't seen them. The footage of the pilots could have been from any flight in the past, I saw no date or time stamp on that footage!

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Of course, because anytime anything happens everyone involved is just an actor.

Mikeultra
Besides that farce where are any other passengers seen boarding this mythical flight MH370? I haven't seen them. The footage of the pilots could have been from any flight in the past, I saw no date or time stamp on that footage!

Tell me again exactly why should you see footage of anyone boarding a plane? Do you see footage of every single plane that is boarded? No then what is the difference between that and this. Their is no difference you just choose to see a conspiracy in every single event ever.

The cup on my desk just fell over, HAARP or the fact that my cat just bumped it?

Mikeultra
Besides that farce where are any other passengers seen boarding this mythical flight MH370? I haven't seen them. The footage of the pilots could have been from any flight in the past, I saw no date or time stamp on that footage!

I'm sure you would state any other footage was forged also. If you had been in KL you most likely would have seen them though.

Usually when anyone, private or government, wants to do a special or super secret test, it's secret. They don't create a public event to draw attention.

Wild speculation, this aircraft went to Diego Garcia and a few pingers were thrown into the Indian ocean at a specific location which would be the southern arc and the last ping line.