Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by CharlieSpeirs


If it was trying to land at a military installation possibly. But usually the procedure is to launch fighters to intercept and identify the incoming aircraft. At that point they have hand signals that can be used to tell the fighter pilots that they are comms out, and the fighters can act as the radio to the tower, or let the tower know, so they can clear the airspace ahead of them.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Ramp rat, never heard that one before, i was a load controller so correct loading and aircraft trim was my area.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Thanks for that pal!!!

Your insight is much appreciated!!!

I was actually hoping that there'd be a better way to deal with it!!!


Peace Zaphod!

reply to post by UKGuy1805


They used to threaten to throw me down engines to do inspections on them because I was skinny as hell and would have an easy time to get in and out. I grew up out on the ramp, so when I was young, I could get anywhere in a plane, so ramp rat was appropriate.

roadgravel
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

My thought is that they are preparing to do something and know the embassies would become targets. Of course that's just the paranoid view from me.

Well they did have the ex-Malaysian Air 777 serial # 28416 registration # 9M-MRI aka N105GT sitting at Ben Gurion Airport on 4/11/2013. Perhaps all the moves have been made, and their false flag attack is ready to be launched!

reply to post by Zaphod58


IC lol

Potential debris in the Maldives.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The picture matches to at least one aircraft fire extinguisher in use.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Daughter2

 

As far as the radar, all airports have Primary radar to cover the TCA. Primary radar is all that can see the actual aircraft itself, not just the transponder. Radar can see out to about 250 miles or so before the horizon curve blocks the signal. But you can't tell what it is without the transponder signal.

Military radar can see much farther:

en.wikipedia.org...

An airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) system is an airborne radar picket system long rangesand perform control and command of the battle space in an air engagement by directing fighter and attack aircraft strikes. AEW&C units are also used to carry out surveillance, including over ground targets and frequently perform C2BM (command and control, battle management) functions similar to an Airport Traffic Controller given military command over other forces. When used at altitude, the radar on the aircraft allows the operators to detect and track targets and distinguish between friendly and hostile aircraft much farther away than a similar ground base radarradar.[1] Like a ground based radar, it can be detected by opposing forces, but because of its mobility, it is much less vulnerable to counter-attack.[2]

Well if that washed up in the Maldives, then Immarsat did send all the searchers on a wild goose chase down to the South Indian Ocean. This fits the theory that MH370 flew on autopilot with crew dead, and it was downed by the U.S. as it neared Diego Garcia.

reply to post by Daughter2


No, they can't. Only if they are an OTH-B system. Notice the second word in what you quoted. Airborne radar. That means that the antenna is flying at altitudes where commercial flights operate at, mounted on top of an aircraft. The USAF has the E-3B Sentry (also known as the AWACS), which is the E-3D in NATO countries. The US Navy has the E-2C/D Hawkeye that flies off of carriers.

The only thing that affects the range of the radar, for anything but an OTH-B antenna, is the height of the antenna. The military doesn't have some magic radar that can see over the horizon (except the very few OTH-B antennas). It's physics, not technology. A radar beam can't bend and go over the horizon, and then return to the antenna with the signal. The higher you get the antenna, the farther it can see. That's why they have airborne radar systems. But there are only a few flying around, so they can't be everywhere, or see everything.

reply to post by Mikeultra


There are a lot of reasons why it could have washed up there, if it's part of the plane. United 811 had the cargo hold open in flight, and flew several hours on two engines, with a massive hole in the side of the plane to return to Honolulu.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

There are a lot of reasons why it could have washed up there, if it's part of the plane. United 811 had the cargo hold open in flight, and flew several hours on two engines, with a massive hole in the side of the plane to return to Honolulu.

edit on 3/25/2014 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

But it doesn't fit the official story of the southern corridor direction that they are so sure of. It sure doesn't match where they're looking 1500 miles west-southwest of Perth, Australia.

There is a lot of arguing about opposing conspiracy theories on this thread though the details from the professional, qualified Air Investigators AAIB have more details, experience and qualifications for the purpose than any armchair investigators, their theory looks the most plausible, and is the result of data analysis as well as EXPERIENCE of air investigations, utilising technology for thorough results then having the theory PEER REVIEWED before release.

The AAIB have concluded that fire was EXTREMELY UNLIKELY and also suggested pilot suicide. They know their stuff, they are probably correct.

news.asiaone.com...

MAS plane missing: All the latest reports
The Malaysia Airlines plane was on a suicide mission, reported The Telegraph.

No fire or malfunction could possibly have caused the silent seven-hour flight into the sea of the plane, which was guided away from its planned route, the newspaper reported.

After its communications systems appeared to have been deliberately switched off, the plane's routing and signalling suggested it was flown "in a rational way".

"This has been a deliberate act by someone on board who had to have the detailed knowledge to do what was done... Nothing is emerging that points to motive," The Telegraph was told.

Investigators have apparently simulated how the plane could have got where it was last detected in a remote area of the Indian Ocean, and signs point to it being flown in a deliberate manner.

Asked about the possibility of a plane malfunction or an on-board fire, the source said: "It just does not hinge together... (The investigators) have gone through processes you do to get the plane where it flew to for eight hours. They point to it being flown in a rational way."

They believe someone on the flight shut off the plane's communications systems as it passed from Malaysia to Vietnam air space.

Experts have said that this was the "perfect moment" for a plane to be absent for communications without arousing suspicion.

Partial military radar tracking showed it turning west and re-crossing the Malay Peninsula, apparently under the control of a skilled pilot.

Mr Najib said on Sunday that groundbreaking satellite-data analysis by the British company Inmarsat had revealed that Flight MH370 had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.

While no confirmed debris from the plane has been found, Inmarsat had used a principle called the Doppler effect to analyse the difference between the frequency that the ground station expects to receive and one that is actually measured.

The British company checked its predictions with six other B777 aircraft flying on the same day in various directions, Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a press conference last evening.

He also revealed that what had been reported to be the satellite transmitter's final ping at 8.11am on March 8 was followed by "a partial handshake" between the plane and a ground station at 8.19am.

The next ping, which was supposed to happen at 9.15am, was not detected.

Between those two times, the aircraft was no longer able to communicate with the ground station.

"This is consistent with the maximum endurance of the aircraft," said Mr Hishammuddin.

reply to post by Mikeultra


Until we know what happened, you don't know that. There were reports of an aircraft over the Maldives at one point.

Until we see what the FDR says, you can't say for sure what happened. Either way.

reply to post by theabsolutetruth


The problem with suicide is why fly so far before you do it? The other pilot and crew are certainly going to notice, and take steps to stop you. Why not just push the nose over, and hold the stick forward, and slam it into the ocean right underneath you.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Until we know what happened, you don't know that. There were reports of an aircraft over the Maldives at one point.

Until we see what the FDR says, you can't say for sure what happened. Either way.

Tell that to Immarsat and the Malaysian Prime Minister. I never believed it was down in the South Indian Ocean. I've been saying Diego Garcia from the beginning. Due south 970 miles from where this beer ball washed up.

EDIT: Why is there no breaking news about this object washing up in the Maldives?

reply to post by Mikeultra


Knowing where it went is far from knowing what happened. You can figure out where it went from signals received. That doesn't tell you crap about what was going on.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Another presumption.

It is a theory, who knows the actual events, all sorts of things could have gone on between pilot / co-pilot /passengers, that will perhaps never be known, but given the details, pilot suicide theory is logical.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Knowing where it went is far from knowing what happened. You can figure out where it went from signals received. That doesn't tell you crap about what was going on.

You lost me there. Are you saying the fire thing fell out of the plane over the Maldives and then MH370 flew way down towards Antarctica? You're forgetting the "experts" at Immarsat swore it was down there, leading the Malaysian Prime Minister to declare the flight "ended" there.