Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by auroraaus


Um... it would seem there are some discrepancies with that particular manifest. I wonder are the patent holders accounted for?

Peidong Wang
Zhijun Chen
Zhihong Cheng
Li Ying Suzhou.

reply to post by lestweforget


Is that the list of patent holders?

This is the manifest from the airline, have a look and see if those names match up

MH370 passenger manifest

reply to post by sy.gunson


it the computer or an the control wiring controlling the auto pilot is in cockpit then no way would the plane continue on in autopilot the plane with no control system would become immediately unstable and 5 minutes later be in ocean. I don't buy fire in cockpit.

reply to post by auroraaus


Yeah they are the patent holders, they are not on that particular manifest.
Although there were two passengers with false passports and two who checked in but didnt board.
What are the chances?

Latest theories involve Diego Garcia, heard anything?

reply to post by lestweforget


Two stolen passport holders were "iranian refugees" (official story)
two checked in didn't board... the stories about checked in didn't board passengers have proved false... apparently.

Diego Garcia is still an idea being tossed up around here.

reply to post by auroraaus


Malaysian Airlines refusing to reveal cargo manifest raises some serious flags.
Are the two naval officers believed to have committed suicide linked?

auroraaus
reply to post by lestweforget

 

Two stolen passport holders were "iranian refugees" (official story)
two checked in didn't board... the stories about checked in didn't board passengers have proved false... apparently.

Diego Garcia is still an idea being tossed up around here.

When the plane turned was its heading a straight line to DG? If it was then maybe the plane was set on its destination course!

I dont buy suicide (apart from possible pilot hero scenario preventing H's completing their mission and possibly savind 1000's lives as opposed to 239) nor do I buy the plane got into troublle and then flew on for another 6 or 7 hours (bull#).

And if not pilot hero then the H's have the plane, whoever they are? Afghan/Paky/ALQ or US/UK/France - Russia??

I repeat what I said earlier that the crash location was maybe chosen for facilitate future declaration that the plane and BB's could not be recovered.

The truth in this matter may never be known or it maybe known sooner and more devastatingly than you can imagine.

I also find it highly suspicious and deflectory that Malaysia have sent out text messages stating that the plane crashed and passengers are dead without absolute proof/evidence and confirmation that the plane went down in the IO! This is an attempt to appease or con the relatives and the world.

Beware fellow earthlings because there is so much going off on this planet at the moment that something is in the works!!!!!

I had bought this up in another thread though it could be relevant. Could this not be an unfortunate though co-incidental accident? Or really what I am saying is does anyone know the financial standing of Malaysian Airlines(MAS) , could they be going under? As alluded to on this thread there have been some issues with emergency landings with MAS aircraft, could these be maintenance related?

I do know from observations that if a transport company is going under it is usually maintenance and servicing that are skimped. MAS apparently had the aircraft in for a minor overhaul, perhaps a component that needed to be replaced was not as the worker was told by his team leader, we don't have the budget for that, component was not replaced or exchanged with another faulty unit, signed off on the paper work to confirm its airworthiness, thus forging documents.

Aircraft mechanic keeps his mouth shut as its his bread and butter, he has commitments a family to support, perhaps his teamleader threatened him with job loss, mechanic knows that aircraft engineer jobs are few and far between, keeps his mouth shut.

I forgot to add: MAS get paid out for the loss of the aircraft, thus keeping them afloat a bit longer, MAS play along with the whole show, throwing incorrect information in the public domain, thus causing so many conflicting stories that its hard to seperate the pooh from the shovel. I honestly do know who to believe.

I know that there are so many theories though it could be something so simple.

robsmith
I had bought this up in another thread though it could be relevant. Could this not be an unfortunate though co-incidental accident? Or really what I am saying is does anyone know the financial standing of Malaysian Airlines(MAS) , could they be going under? As alluded to on this thread there have been some issues with emergency landings with MAS aircraft, could these be maintenance related?

I do know from observations that if a transport company is going under it is usually maintenance and servicing that are skimped. MAS apparently had the aircraft in for a minor overhaul, perhaps a component that needed to be replaced was not as the worker was told by his team leader, we don't have the budget for that, component was not replaced or exchanged with another faulty unit, signed off on the paper work to confirm its airworthiness, thus forging documents.

Aircraft mechanic keeps his mouth shut as its his bread and butter, he has commitments a family to support, perhaps his teamleader threatened him with job loss, mechanic knows that aircraft engineer jobs are few and far between, keeps his mouth shut.

I know that there are so many theories though it could be something so simple.

I would say that too many coicidences (and confusion/disinfo) does not = coincidental accident, infact the opposite!!

reply to post by RP2SticksOfDynamite


Retracted statements are always a key indicator.

lestweforget: Lack of disclosure re: cargo concerns me. I would think international security/relations would take precedent to a police investigation. But that's just me. The two SEAL officers on the seychelles, I am yet to see a credible source for it.

RP2: I am with you, but could you refrain from saying Paky? It's offensive. Pakistani would suffice.

robsmith: (I love the cure). From my understanding Malaysian Airways were struggling due to increased costs, cheaper competition and global slowdown in airtravel from the GFC but were still at least making a profit.

AthlonSavage
reply to post by sy.gunson

 

it the computer or an the control wiring controlling the auto pilot is in cockpit then no way would the plane continue on in autopilot the plane with no control system would become immediately unstable and 5 minutes later be in ocean. I don't buy fire in cockpit.

The pilot of the Egyptair 888 that caught fire in Cairo doesn't seem to think the same kind of fire is likely:

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Cairo 777 cockpit fire could yield clues to missing plane

However Shaheer Magdy Abdel Sayyed, the pilot on the Egyptair flight where the fire took place, saw significant differences between the two incidents.

The problem happened with my aircraft at the ground. If the same problem happened while the plane flying it will not last for too long before it fall.''

"It was very fortunate for me and for the passengers and the crew that it was in the ground but if it happened while the plane flying there will not be any flying, the plane will not fly all that distance and will fall immediately in its location"

However, I think it's important to note that the oxygen content on the ground is much higher than at 35,000 feet. If the fire was fed by the pilot's emergency oxygen supply, this is a limited supply, which could have burned some circuits like communication, then depleted before burning out others, like autopilot. So while I agree if the fire at 35,000 feet was the same as the fire on the ground, you and the pilot are right that the plane wouldn't continue flying for long, I can't agree that is definitely the kind of fire that would be experienced at 35,000 feet.

I'm not saying it was a fire, only that I'm not ready to rule it out. I'm still hoping they will find the black boxes which may help explain what happened.

reply to post by auroraaus


Auroraaus, I hope that you are right, I hope this does not become an attitude like it was in the 70's with the DC-10 Cargo doors blowing out and causing loss of life, and at the time McDonnel-Douglas took the risk knowing of the problem, though considered paying compensation is cheaper than temporarily withdrawing aircraft from service to replace the cargo door locking mechanism's.

Or even ford with their known Firestone tyre issue on the ford explorer, cheaper to pay than recall.

Cheers for the Cure, great music.

reply to post by robsmith


70s were a wee bit before my time, although I was half an egg then

One of the ideas I had was along similar veins of the Olympic/Titanic insurance fraud conjecture, given that the plane in question had a series accident on it's tail awhile back (although repaired and cleared) and some interesting digging from fellow ATSers regarding planes sold by MA and being de-constructed etc

Insurance companies, no matter how stingy/reluctant to pay up, would rather settle as fast as they can to avoid negative publicity (for being stingy), in light of mass loss of life.

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I'm not saying it was a fire, only that I'm not ready to rule it out. I'm still hoping they will find the black boxes which may help explain what happened.

edit on 25-3-2014 by Arbitrageur because: clarification

Yep I am with you there, only one conspiracy here why has that plane ditched in the southern of the Indian Ocean . That's what peeps should be focusing on, was it to save more deaths crashing into a major city or is it to save Boeing maybe they knew the plane was in trouble and remote flew it into the southern ocean to save lives.
Could Boeing remote fly that plane if they really wanted to, ? Maybe. are they going to release that technology , I doubt it, Boeing make satellites don't they

This stinks more then a maggot on a piece of rotten meat it's just not cricket.
Anyway think of the ramifications if that plane did crash into a city, think if the crew were knocked out and the passengers, where that plan ended up is the perfect place don't you think, how did it get there by chance?

Sorry I don't buy that, that's what everyone should be focusing on how did it crash into the Southern Indian ocean one of the deepest and most volatile oceans on earth, perfect place to ditch a plane don't you think?