Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by carewemust

I hadn't thought about CO.
But why did the jet turn completely around?

reply to post by charlyv

I sure hope you are right, best shot for a quick identification.
If P3's and P8's can find a submarine (that is trying very hard not to be found), I would hope they can find the debris. Also, don't the flight-recorders have an audible (non-RF) "pinger"? I would think Sonobuoy's would be able to pick that up - within some given range of course (which I have no idea what is).

reply to post by Libertygal


I dont know how many times this has to be said or you guys dont get it.. lol auto pilot is not some change altitude plane turns by itself nook and cranny aspect and decide to turn southwest towards Australia its effectively cruise control at ideally cruise altitude hence someone was controlling the plane and people were not all "aphexiated" while magically like some magical Dragon flew for 8 hours with no one conscious...like really people this is not a 15 kg drone this is a 15 tonne airliner use some common sense

EnhancedInterrogator
reply to post by charlyv

 

I sure hope you are right, best shot for a quick identification.
If P3's and P8's can find a submarine (that is trying very hard not to be found), I would hope they can find the debris. Also, don't the flight-recorders have an audible (non-RF) "pinger"? I would think Sonobuoy's would be able to pick that up - within some given range of course (which I have no idea what is).

You are most correct. However we are talking depths of 10-12k feet out there. A regular acoustic buoy may not be capable, let alone the drift rate of whatever might be there, you would have to track the currents backward. It will be a formidable task to find those boxes.

reply to post by carewemust

It's possible for some accident (or intentional act of on-board murder) to deprive the cabin of oxygen. You don't need fire, fumes or poison gas - just take away the oxygen by decompressing the cabin.

The drop down masks only last a short time. They are only intended to last long enough for the crew to get the plane down to an altitude where oxygen is no longer required. The crew have access to oxygen "bottles" that last longer - including some in the main cabin (presumably to allow the attendants to walk around and assist passengers if needed during such an emergency).

reply to post by drwill


Also, didn't word start to spread globally that something was wrong within an hour of the plane's final communication? After that point (especially in this terrorist age) wouldn't a great many satellites begin searching for and spot this big airliner as it flew FOR MANY HOURS before it crashed, or landed? Terrorists must be taking copious notes regarding this lapse in monitoring.

EnhancedInterrogator, thanks for that info on the oxygen supply onboard. Since it's reported that the play did descend back down to 23,000 feet, perhaps the pilots were successful in saving the plane to a point? Something else must have been going on. I sure hope the black boxes are found and weren't crushed by the water pressure so far down.

reply to post by thetruth2014

Yes, the one left turn, but not the turns up the nothern corridor, once comms were shut down.

They said, from the beginning, they could never be certain the pings were from that plane.

If it went the southern corridor, to this furthest flight path, then it obviously was not.

At this point, we just have to wait and see if this is, in fact, the debris fiels from the jet. Sundown in one hour. Hopefully, they can continue to.search even after dark.

reply to post by charlyv

Yeah, I would assume they would work backwards from best wind & current estimates and target that for "passive" Sonobuoy's.

It also occurs to me, do we have any subs active in the South India Ocean? The Navy rarely says much about what subs are where at any given time. I wonder if they are being used is some unacknowledged way too. They might not be able to "retrieve" a black box sitting on the bottom, but if it (the black box) is pinging-away acoustically-maybe they could get good bearings for triangulation.

reply to post by EnhancedInterrogator


Uss poisedon hmmm what a coincedental name...trident firm maersk Alabama wtc memorial trident ukraine coat of arms trident plane wreckage found by the uss poisedon who finds the malasyian plane with a trident logo as its representation afterall fits nicely wouldn't be surprised this is it everything seems to be intertwined nowadays...modern Trojan horse distraction prior to ww3

Maybe they're not releasing images out of respect for the families who knows what's floating around!

Plus maybe some political issue like Malaysia needing to give permission to release?

Just a thought

Civ

reply to post by carewemust


Or why no jets were scrambled over several countries borders lol why have military radar in the very first place then... oh just a "blip" carry on...

reply to post by civpop


Satellite... gotta doctor them as to not reveal capability probably.

On-site... reportedly very low visibility.

reply to post by civpop


Fox is saying that the weather is really bad and it might take awhile for ships to locate the debris. That satellite imagery might be a couple of days old, if the weather was good enough at that time to see the ocean surface.

Also, something was pointed out that I didn't know... The tail, rear stabilizer and wings are made of composite material that FLOATS. I thought planes were all aluminum. We never stop learning.
-cwm

EnhancedInterrogator
reply to post by charlyv

 

Yeah, I would assume they would work backwards from best wind & current estimates and target that for "passive" Sonobuoy's.

It also occurs to me, do we have any subs active in the South India Ocean? The Navy rarely says much about what subs are where at any given time. I wonder if they are being used is some unacknowledged way too. They might not be able to "retrieve" a black box sitting on the bottom, but if it (the black box) is pinging-away acoustically-maybe they could get good bearings for triangulation.

edit on 2014-3-20 by EnhancedInterrogator because: Clarifiation.

U.S. sub locations are usually top secret, so who know's where they may be. The black box pings are advertised detectable 2-2.5 miles underwater, which puts them in a fringe area that would possibly require special electronics and equipment. Then there is the time factor, and we have used about half of their theoretical ping lifetime. Lastly, is this really a debris field....

Anything and everything is unchanged here until we can be shown and identifiable piece of this aircraft.

reply to post by carewemust


It's a terrorists wet dream. Now they have a step-by-step: How to Steal a 777 at 35,000 feet. They've seen paranoid countries guard their pretties (and attempt to hide their warts). They've seen mud slinging, weaknesses, and Tom Clancy-esque speculation that made them salivate. TPTP revealed their paranoia and used the media to put on a circus, throwing peanuts to the minions.
Thanks a lot, Anderson Cooper.
[By the way, the Keebler Elf called, and he wants his ears back.]

thetruth2014
reply to post by Libertygal

 

I dont know how many times this has to be said or you guys dont get it.. lol auto pilot is not some change altitude plane turns by itself nook and cranny aspect and decide to turn southwest towards Australia its effectively cruise control at ideally cruise altitude hence someone was controlling the plane and people were not all "aphexiated" while magically like some magical Dragon flew for 8 hours with no one conscious...like really people this is not a 15 kg drone this is a 15 tonne airliner use some common sense

I never said that, so I don't know where your vehemence comes from, but it was unecessary.

It has been proven the turn was programmed at the console 12 minutes before the copilot, not the pilot, called in, "All right, good night".

He then cut all comms. The plane turned, then had a high altitude pitch, which the cause is unknown. The cause has many speculative reasons. But, no one knows. The plane the dropped to about 5k feet, then leveled off at cruising altitude.

What IS known, is that a pitch to 40K feet with a depressurized cabin would have killed everyone on board, oxygen masks, or not. You would have to have pressurized O2, with special masks, to keep alive in that situation. Listened to enough experts to know this.

Lastly, if the plane, once leveled out, was placed on autopilot, where it is now speculated the debris field may have been found is where the FAA, NTSB, and Pentagon, all theorized it may be, allowing roughly 100 miles for drift.

No one ever said it was flown like a drone.

reply to post by Libertygal

We had reports that the Malaysian Military radar clocked this flight (meaning, minimally - an unexpected signal) heading across the Malaysian Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca at/about 2:15 a.m. (local time), which was about 2 hours into the flight.
We likewise, have the Thai Military saying their radar spotted the 'odd' flight heading in said direction...
So - if it was not MH-370...then...maybe...there's another plane we should be looking for...and...MH-370 was really hijacked...as a...DECOY.
...
Guess we'll see what story they tell us is...official...soon enough.

thetruth2014
reply to post by Libertygal

 

I dont know how many times this has to be said or you guys dont get it.. lol auto pilot is not some change altitude plane turns by itself nook and cranny aspect and decide to turn southwest towards Australia its effectively cruise control at ideally cruise altitude hence someone was controlling the plane and people were not all "aphexiated" while magically like some magical Dragon flew for 8 hours with no one conscious...like really people this is not a 15 kg drone this is a 15 tonne airliner use some common sense

Are you really familiar with the capabilities of a modern aircraft autopilot?

reply to post by Libertygal


A. 12 mins beforehand has been disputed as Malaysia airlines hasnt revealed if it has real time acars tracking that it subscribes to.

B. No vehemence just going by objectivity not just the msm.

C. We dont know the reason for the higher altitude ascent, and could've been enough pressurization for a corresponding descent where passengers where not rendered "aphixated".

D. Waypoints were programmed beforehand 2 or 3 of them in fact and you still have to manually turn the plane, boeings are computerized but fly by wire unlike the new airbus counterparts so you dont just "level off" and make a turn at the next way point without going into a mountain range.

E. Ntsb and malasyian authorities have actually been saying the exact same things, albeit maybe the first four days so this isnt some asiastic cover up of biblical proportions. If anything be looking at cia and government puppeteers in the good ol cowboy u.s.a first.

Libertygal
reply to post by thetruth2014

 

Yes, the one left turn, but not the turns up the nothern corridor, once comms were shut down.

They said, from the beginning, they could never be certain the pings were from that plane.

If it went the southern corridor, to this furthest flight path, then it obviously was not.

At this point, we just have to wait and see if this is, in fact, the debris fiels from the jet. Sundown in one hour. Hopefully, they can continue to.search even after dark.

The satelitte pings gave them a huge circle over the earth where the INmarsat satellite was looking. Using range (known from the fuel on board) and last known location, they could draw a circle over that circle cutting it into the ARC that we have been seeing. That arc went both North and South, they could not tell if the plane went to somewhere on the North or South of that arc.

After the detected plane turned, it could have turned again a number of times, and the odds look like it went towards the South, so the plane detected on radar is still likely to be Mh370.