Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

IQPREREQUISITE

onehuman
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I honestly don't know what to make of this image...I see a white shape of a plane and another shape of a plane below or behind it but somewhat transparent or of a lesser opacity. Maybe Boeing777 or rockflier can comment on this, they seem to know their stuff when it comes to aviation.

Just got back on. Thanks for the ego booster!! One would hope that 50 years in aviation would have taught me something.
As I recall, the original poster stated that the "ghosting" was due to the speed of the aircraft. I cannot agree with this, as aircraft motion would appear as a blurred path as opposed to 2 distinct images, albeit one transparent.

I agree that the craft appears to be at a relatively low altitude, but again, if memory serves correctly, the plane would have been at this location during hours of darkness.

My theory? Yes a plane. Nothing more.

Upon zooming in on the images, I detect some subtle differences in the shape of the 2 as well as the obvious differences in coloration. I leave it to your discretion, but I doubt the validity.

onehuman
Here is something new if you all are interested. I dont know what to make of it:

MH370 Spotting in the Andaman Islands

LINK FOR STORY

Any members good with maps that can explain this? My eyes are about crossed by now

Here is the location on Google Earth. 13.294421 N, 92.993140 E

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I cannot agree with this, as aircraft motion would appear as a blurred path as opposed to 2 distinct images, albeit one transparent.

A satellite image is composed of multiple separate scans, not a single long exposure. The plane moves between scans.
www.exelisvis.com...

Read this from the Guardian:

The person in control of missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 issued their last communication to air traffic control after the first set of aircraft communications was disabled, Malaysian authorities have confirmed, adding further weight to suspicion that the plane was hijacked.

The latest revelation suggests that the person who delivered the "All right, good night" message to Kuala Lumpur air traffic controllers just before the Boeing-777 disappeared from their radar at 1.22am and diverted from its scheduled flightpath to Beijing was also aware that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (Acars) had been manually shut down.

Investigations still do not appear to know who was at the helm and what their intentions were when the aircraft disappeared from civilian radar more than a week ago.

Experts on aircraft maintenance have explained that the plane's communications system can only be disabled manually – a process that requires switching a number of cockpit controls in sequence until a computer screen necessitates a keyboard input.

Authorities have not yet disclosed whether the person who issued the last message to controllers was Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, or co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, or an unknown third person. It is also unclear if such messages are recorded by air traffic control and are available for expert analysis to determine who the voice belongs to.

Correct me if I'm wrong. So the one 'who is in charge' of MH370 said, "All right, good night" AFTER ACARS WAS SHUT DOWN?

It seems to me their conversation went like this...

Pilot: "All right, good night."
ATC: "Okay. Sweet dreams. Have a good one."

Shouldn't their conversation be like...

Pilot: "All right, good night."
ATC: "The f#@k you mean goodnight?! Your ACARS is turned off. What the f@#k did you do this time?"
Pilot: "..."
ATC: "F#@kin overpaid motherf@#kers...I still know where you are you f@#kin son of a b@tch!"

Hmmm...

It's path is NW across the northern part of the island.

Close map area

Medium map area

Bigger map area

I suspect ATC doesn't know that status of the ACARS system.

Darkblade71

roadgravel
Twitter debris report location

Here is the picture in question with that tweet.

Sure does kind of look like part of a plane!

this is the interesting one. why do you keep looking at a random picture of a plane over an island? and seriously discussing what it could be? a flying goat?

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www.youtube.com...

they're just people at work not some robots.

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CNN reported that yesterday too...

Ninipe

Darkblade71

roadgravel
Twitter debris report location

Here is the picture in question with that tweet.

Sure does kind of look like part of a plane!

this is the interesting one. why do you keep looking at a random picture of a plane over an island? and seriously discussing what it could be? a flying goat?

Looks like an oil slick/fuel on the water too.

roadgravel
I suspect ATC doesn't know that status of the ACARS system.

Yeah...I get that too, but still you know, a tech or supervisor from ATC would've noticed somehow. But I bet they did and their just keeping mum about it. Company policy and all that jazz.

Ninipe
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www.youtube.com...

they're just people at work not some robots.

I'm not attacking them or anything so don't get me wrong. No offense meant. Just curious. Plus I love Pushing Tin. Billy Bob is the man.

From the Guardian. Some interesting points that I only get to realize the significance now.

The route the plane took also required significant navigational experience. And the timing of the diversion is also striking: just as the responsibility of Malaysia's air traffic control officials gave way to Vietnam's. The perfect opportunity for the plane to go missing with minimal attention.

However, while cockpit security was tightened after 9/11, it is known that the first officer had invited young women to watch him fly on at least one occasion. The plane had also just reached cruising altitude, at which point a pilot might leave the cockpit for a break.

1. "Hijackers" timed change in plane flight path during the transition/turnover between Malaysia and Vietnamese ATC. "Hijackers" are aware of procedure. They know there will be a gap between turnovers.

2. "Hijackers" know when the cockpit door will be accessible the earliest. The plane "disappeared" after reaching cruising speed.

I'm surprised by fact #2 as I did not know that tidbit of information. Now it's clear to me that you can access the cockpit without using force.

It's only know that I'm beginning to believe (not entirely though) that this is a hijacking. It sends chills down my spine. These guys are good. Military special ops good.

this is the interesting one. why do you keep looking at a random picture of a plane over an island? and seriously discussing what it could be? a flying goat?

Why talk about debris in the middle of the strait which is full of ships and not noticed for 8 days?

IQPREREQUISITE


It's only know that I'm beginning to believe (not entirely though) that this is a hijacking. It sends chills down my spine. These guys are good. Military special ops good.

i tell you, they had guns, they shot the pilots and then shot a couple of
cabin windows to splinters in order to depressurize the cabin.
Then they took over the plane and took the oxigen masks of the
pilots and climbed to 45000 feet to kill of the passengers.
it's so simple.

IQPREREQUISITE
Read this from the Guardian:

The person in control of missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 issued their last communication to air traffic control after the first set of aircraft communications was disabled, Malaysian authorities have confirmed, adding further weight to suspicion that the plane was hijacked.

The latest revelation suggests that the person who delivered the "All right, good night" message to Kuala Lumpur air traffic controllers just before the Boeing-777 disappeared from their radar at 1.22am and diverted from its scheduled flightpath to Beijing was also aware that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (Acars) had been manually shut down.

Investigations still do not appear to know who was at the helm and what their intentions were when the aircraft disappeared from civilian radar more than a week ago.

Experts on aircraft maintenance have explained that the plane's communications system can only be disabled manually – a process that requires switching a number of cockpit controls in sequence until a computer screen necessitates a keyboard input.

Authorities have not yet disclosed whether the person who issued the last message to controllers was Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, or co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, or an unknown third person. It is also unclear if such messages are recorded by air traffic control and are available for expert analysis to determine who the voice belongs to.

Correct me if I'm wrong. So the one 'who is in charge' of MH370 said, "All right, good night" AFTER ACARS WAS SHUT DOWN?

It seems to me their conversation went like this...

Pilot: "All right, good night."
ATC: "Okay. Sweet dreams. Have a good one."

Shouldn't their conversation be like...

Pilot: "All right, good night."
ATC: "The f#@k you mean goodnight?! Your ACARS is turned off. What the f@#k did you do this time?"
Pilot: "..."
ATC: "F#@kin overpaid motherf@#kers...I still know where you are you f@#kin son of a b@tch!"

Hmmm...

haha, sorry that was funny. AF447, can't help but think about that, so easy to distort the news. I wonder what the eventual explanation will be about this flight? I don't think we will ever know. Good job on the theory hunting ATS.

There IS something good which all readers can do to help change the world:

Talk to your friends, write to your Federal legislative representatives, write to your newspapers the following proposal:


PROPOSAL:
All commercial airplanes should be REQUIRED to have a separate transponder that is not accessible from the cockpit or passenger area (for example, locate the transponder in one of the wings). This separate transponder SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to be turned off from the cockpit.

Such a "No Turn-Off Transponder" system would have made a big difference in the Malaysia Flight as well as on 9/11.


TECHNICAL EXCEPTION:
Why do the current transponders allow a manual turn-off? I do not know the answer--perhaps they allow a manual turn-off in case a transponder malfunction impairs the airplane's flight.

If that is true, then the new "No Turn-Off Transponders" could require a code to turn the transponder off -- but, such a code can only be provided by the parent airline headquarters through a voice recognition system (ie, the only way the pilot could turn off the "No Turn Off Transponder" is by calling the airline headquarters--the airline parent company would have a voice recognition computer that verifies the pilot's voice--once the pilot's voice is verified, the parent airline would provide the pilot the code needed to turn off the transponder).


This is an excellent proposal--if everyone who reads this spreads the word we can make a great change that would truly make the world a better place.

Phage
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I cannot agree with this, as aircraft motion would appear as a blurred path as opposed to 2 distinct images, albeit one transparent.

A satellite image is composed of multiple separate scans, not a single long exposure. The plane moves between scans.
www.exelisvis.com...

Would not the 2 images been similar then? Not 1 solid and 1 transparent and different coloration? Just my perceptions. Take if what it worth.

puntito

IQPREREQUISITE


It's only know that I'm beginning to believe (not entirely though) that this is a hijacking. It sends chills down my spine. These guys are good. Military special ops good.

i tell you, they had guns, they shot the pilots and then shot a couple of
cabin windows to splinters in order to depressurize the cabin.
Then they took over the plane and took the oxigen masks of the
pilots and climbed to 45000 feet to kill of the passengers.
it's so simple.

I'm not so sure about the depressurization part. Coz I read somewhere that these high tech jumbo jets will automatically send signals if there are sudden fluctuations in pressure, altitude, etc. AND it's not easy to climb to 45000 feet (2000 feet beyonD the limit of the 777) as one poster pointed out.

Plus, even in third world countries, it would be hard to get a gun onboard, much less guns without alerting anyone and Malaysia is not a third world country.

For that scenario to work out you need a rogue crew member or members. And 'til now they remain innocent until new evidence comes up to prove them otherwise.