Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

Two days ago...

Malaysia denies police raided home of MH370 chief pilot

Another few sources reported this 11 hours ago, a day ago. So that's not the news here. What MIGHT be news is that the family is gone; however, aren't they probably with relatives or something? The media's probably camped out at their homes. I dunno....

So the news here is that it may have landed on the border. May have.

watchesfromwall
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I think they should have done that a week ago, right?

Right.

This may or may not have been previously covered, but is it possible for the pilots to depressurize the cabin while disabling the passengers O2 system? In other words, the pilots can place their O2 masks on and simply allow the passengers to go unconscious and die. This could describe why no passengers made calls to their loved ones about being hijacked, and this would give the pilots full control.

Idlewild294
This may or may not have been previously covered, but is it possible for the pilots to depressurize the cabin while disabling the passengers O2 system? In other words, the pilots can place their O2 masks on and simply allow the passengers to go unconscious and die. This could describe why no passengers made calls to their loved ones about being hijacked, and this would give the pilots full control.

Pax masks auto deploy at 13,500 feet cabin altitude. No override in cockpit. O2 is via oxygen generators, not piped from bottles like the pilots' masks.

~Lucidity. What MIGHT be news is that the family is gone; however, aren't they probably with relatives or something? The media's probably camped out at their homes. I dunno...

Reports coming out of China that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's wife and three children had moved out of the family home the day before flight MH370 disappeared.

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I know they are, I meant sat comms. Perhaps you would like to look for all the typos on my posts too.

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...and the Inmarsat Ping detection did tell them distance from satellite, providing the data for the arch that was presented several pages back. Or was that just conjecture on the BBC's part as well and they never released the actual distance?

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~Lucidity. What MIGHT be news is that the family is gone; however, aren't they probably with relatives or something? The media's probably camped out at their homes. I dunno...

Reports coming out of China that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's wife and three children had moved out of the family home the day before flight MH370 disappeared.

Moved out of their own volition? Or were moved out? As in held hostage maybe (if this is even true, of course). You must have missed my first post on this.

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rockflier

Idlewild294
This may or may not have been previously covered, but is it possible for the pilots to depressurize the cabin while disabling the passengers O2 system? In other words, the pilots can place their O2 masks on and simply allow the passengers to go unconscious and die. This could describe why no passengers made calls to their loved ones about being hijacked, and this would give the pilots full control.

Pax masks auto deploy at 13,500 feet cabin altitude. No override in cockpit. O2 is via oxygen generators, not piped from bottles like the pilots' masks.

Thanks for the quick reply. An elaborate plan could include disabling the O2 generators in flight. I don't think you can put anything past the terrorists in this hijacking. They were obviously intelligent enough to disable the communication devices. Either the passengers had no way to make a call due to no cell signal, the plane crashed, or the passengers died prior to knowledge of the hijacking.

they are now officially calling it: hijack

Official: Malaysian investigators conclude missing airliner hijacked

The piolts homes were searched. Unsure if the bags were taken from the pilots homes:

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Police made no comment about their activities at the home of co-pilot, Fariq Ab Hamid, 27. Two vans exited the home carrying small bags, similar to shopping bags, but it was unclear whether the bags were taken from the home.

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they are now officially calling it: hijack

Official: Malaysian investigators conclude missing airliner hijacked

This was yesterday.

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Can the O2 generators be manually disabled or easily sabotaged? Or are they an automatic function like the mask with no override?

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OatDelphi
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Can the O2 generators be manually disabled or easily sabotaged? Or are they an automatic function like the mask with no override?

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Once the lanyards are pulled by pax, there is no way to stop them from generating O2 as I recall. They deploy auto with no override.

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yeah, I think they changed the wording of the headline from "deliberate."

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Inmarsat gave the ping data to SITA who gave them to Malaysia. It doesn't say who worked out the arcs exactly. There is a video on this link which explains it easily.

abcnews.go.com...

“The satellite is saying it’s a north arc and a south arc -- those would be the directions it would have gone in based upon the data, based on the pings,” according to a second U.S. source.

The pings evidently came from technology inside Boeing aircraft that transmits a signal to a satellite that even pilots may not know about, ABC News has learned. This system establishes what is described as an electronic “handshake” between the airplane and the satellite.

However, this signal is crude when it comes to location data, so investigators will still be faced with a significant search. The pings occur every hour and ABC News has been told there were four or five of the transmissions. Searchers will use the last transmission to project out in their search.

Inmarsat, a British company, said today, "Routine, automated signals were registered on the Inmarsat network from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 during its flight from Kuala Lumpur."

It said the information was shared with SITA, a company that specializes in air transport communications. SITA shared with details with Malaysia Airlines, Inmarsat said.

Inmarsat on its website said its satellite system "facilitates the automatic reporting of an aircraft’s real-time position, including altitude, speed and heading, via satellite to air traffic control centres, helping controllers know where an aircraft is at all times."

If those "pings" sent by the Malaysia Airlines jet to the satellite indicate location or flying direction, it could help solve the mystery that began a week ago when the jet disappeared from radar.

ABC News had previously reported that the missing plane continued to "ping" a satellite after two of its communications system, including its transponder, had shut down.

From Skybrary: For pressurised aircraft which are certified to operate above 25,000', emergency oxygen equipment must be available. Some aircraft utilize cylinders of pressurised oxygen to meet this requirement but most types are fitted with chemical oxygen generators. (777 Uses Generators)
The emergency oxygen supply must last a minimum of 10 minutes. (757/767 last 20 min)
Provisions must be provided in the system to automatically deploy the emergency oxygen masks when the cabin altitude exceeds a pre-determined level, normally 14,000'. (777 is 13,500)
Sufficient masks must be provided for at least 10% more passengers than there are seats in the passenger compartment. This excess requirement provides masks for small children who may not be assigned a seat and for anyone (such as Flight Attendants) who might not be in their assigned seat at the moment emergency oxygen is required.
The most typical passenger oxygen masks consist of a soft, yellow silicone cup fitted with elastic bands for securing the mask to the face. The bands are adjustable to accomodate passengers of different sizes. The mask may also have a clear concentrator or re-breather bag. Depending upon the cabin altitude, the concentrator bag may or may not inflate. Airlines make a point during their safety presentation of pointing out that the bag may not inflate as, in the past, lack of bag inflation has lead some passengers to believe that their mask was not working and to remove it resulting in hypoxia. Due to a potentially limited time of useful consciousness, it is critical that masks be put on immediately and kept on until advised by the crew that it is safe to remove them. Passengers should always don their own mask prior to assisting others (such as children) with their mask.

if it was successfully landed, there's a very strong possibility they're going to use it as a missile...with something that goes boom.

Does anyone know what this is (bottom of Tomnod map image)?

So Tomnod including land satellite...maybe to catch plane in flight?


Does this like like bottom of Vietnam?

Vitenam?

The statements made about the plane flying low to the ground, in order to make sense of how the plane could have ended up at any point in the northern portion of that arch are pure conjecture. The location that would be the simplest to explain lies in the southern portion of the arch where there is nearly zero radar coverage (south of the Cook Islands).

I am no expert so maybe someone can answer this question. Can a plane operate at a normal altitude in the area starting south of Indonesia extending to south of the cook islands without being detected?