Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by civpop


There are past cases where pilots have been forced to fly a hijacked plane.

I'm not well versed on Ukraine/Russia, but I'm wondering if there would be a way to find out if the two Ukrainians are pro or anti Russia. In wild speculation territory, we could have the two Ukrainians, the Russian and the Iranians all working together.

It would also be worth finding out if relatives are still able to call the phones and receive the same thing they did before.

Too many speculations, i still believe the plane first landed in China. That previous report it landed there was not supposed to happen and the person who slipped it out already summarily executed.

reply to post by ManiShuck


Yes agreed, the phones ringing could indicate the plane indeed did not crash into the sea.

In regards to the flight data indicating the plane climbed to 45,000 feet then dropped below 30,000 feet fairly quickly... what is the standard response for a pilot when a hijacking attempt is in progress?

I remember a movie involving a hijacking where the pilot climbed quickly so the hijackers couldn't stand in the aisles and they were thrown to the back of the plane. Could the erratic maneuvers have been a last-ditch effort to thwart the hijacking? Or on the flip side, the hijackers thwarted a passenger uprising after the plane was taken over?

It just seems odd that the plane would have climbed insanely quickly, then dropped back down right before contact was lost.

I apologize if this has already been discussed.

ManiShuck
reply to post by civpop

 

There are past cases where pilots have been forced to fly a hijacked plane.

I'm not well versed on Ukraine/Russia, but I'm wondering if there would be a way to find out if the two Ukrainians are pro or anti Russia. In wild speculation territory, we could have the two Ukrainians, the Russian and the Iranians all working together.

It would also be worth finding out if relatives are still able to call the phones and receive the same thing they did before.

A Ukranian tried to hijack a flight last month. www.cnn.com...

This was on PPRUNE

Outside of China, significant diasporic communities of Uyghurs exist in the Central Asian countries of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan.

Given the possibility of a flight to the North towards Khazakstan, I note there are 86 functional airports in Kyrgyzstan and considerably more abandoned ones.

Kyrgyzstan borders Xinjiang in China. An alternative would be in Tajikistan which also borders Xinjiang.

Flights to either State can be made without crossing Chinese airspace, especially if the inwards vector is from around the Andaman Islands.

PPRUNE

civpop
This was on PPRUNE

Outside of China, significant diasporic communities of Uyghurs exist in the Central Asian countries of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan.

Given the possibility of a flight to the North towards Khazakstan, I note there are 86 functional airports in Kyrgyzstan and considerably more abandoned ones.

Kyrgyzstan borders Xinjiang in China. An alternative would be in Tajikistan which also borders Xinjiang.

Flights to either State can be made without crossing Chinese airspace, especially if the inwards vector is from around the Andaman Islands.

PPRUNE

It takes a pretty big runway to land a 777. Smaller airports wouldn't cut it.

reply to post by civpop


Beat me to it.

I was also going to add this:

Police investigating the backgrounds of all 239 people aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight are paying “special attention” to a 35 year-old Chinese Uighur man who undertook flight simulation training, according to a report in a leading Malay language newspaper in Kuala Lumpur.

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According to the source the man has a PHD from a university in Britain was recently worked as a lecturer at a university in Turkey.
The source said he undertook flight simulation training in Sweden in around 2006.

www.smh.com.au...

If they are who took the plane, they probably think they hit jackpot, taking a plane that not only had many Chinese citizens, but also has a large group from Freescale.

reply to post by ManiShuck


Yeah I just read that Interpol said on Thursday they were investigating an artist?

Artist Investigated

Latest Map of possible direction of plane travel.

There is some information here with a link about the Uighir passenger, I cant access the link as im in the UAE and its banned for some reason, although I did try, im now scared ill get a knock on the door lol

The passenger list is there with a lot of numbers but some of it I cant read.

Link

reply to post by civpop


they could never fly under the radar for that far.

it takes more fuel.

tsingtao
reply to post by civpop

 

they could never fly under the radar for that far.

it takes more fuel.

That's what I heard this morning the lower you fly the more fuel burned?

civpop
Latest Map of possible direction of plane travel.

I'm not familiar with military defense protocols but as the Malaysian authorities paint this scenario, I have this question that's been bothering me.

How did MH370 fly all the way out there without being intercepted and/or shot at? I mean, it seems to me the plane crossed borders unharassed. Saying the plane flew under radar is highly improbable I think. Some posters here with aviation knowledge said it would be really hard to pilot a jumbo jet under radar. I mean, this isn't some Hollywood movie. It's not a simple thing to commandeer a jumbo jet. You just can't practice maneuvers in a flight simulator and *snap* you can fly a 777 just like that.

The 911 case is a different thing. Although the hijackers practiced in simulators, they didn't pilot the plane for that long a period. They piloted it just enough to crash it. In the case of MH370, the supposed hijacker needed to sustain a long flight under radar. That's hard. God Mode hard.

Plus I hate the timing of the authorities saying this info just now. Neighboring countries have been searching the South China Sea near Kota Baru for days. They wasted precious time.

Weird.

I'm not buying it.

Man, what a crazy few days. I had previously mentioned that my guess would be a hijack and that the passengers didn't know until the plane landed, meaning it was either inside job with the pilots / crew or somehow a non-violent takeover of the cockpit. If the current information is true, and that's a big if, then the northwest heading opens a whole new can of worms.

Iran is obviously in that direction, and there are Iranian nationals on the plane. But for me, given the current world situation, I'd have to speculate, and again complete speculation, on possibly the Ukrainian passengers who haven't really been talked about much. It is certainly possible that they are landed somewhere in the Western Asia region - waiting for a refuel, already refueled, etc. In some ways, if it is connected to Ukraine, then for me is a worse case scenario - that situation is a powder keg and we don't need anything to further spark that explosive situation.

I think a thorough background check on crew would shed some light. If pilots are really pretty clean, then they may have given in to the hijacker if they promised a safe landing and that they were not crashing the plane.

I guess this roller coaster ride continues...

Answer

It takes a pretty big runway to land a 777. Smaller airports wouldn't cut it.

a 777 doesn't take all that long a runway, the specs call for either 6,000 or 7,000 feet, in a news story a pilot said he was confident that 5,000 feet would be enough that if needed he would try it. it is the takeoff that is the issue requiring 11,000 feet. but also keep in mind you don't need an airport, a highway would work just fine, provided it was wide enough with clearance on either side for the wings (provided you cared about taking off again), or even packed dirt that could support the weight of the aircraft would work. i do believe that in w2 they even had a simple piece of equipment to check sand density for "beach landings". and don't forget about another ww2 "instant runway", pierced steel sections that connect together, set up on cleared, sort of level ground and voila instant runway that is hard to spot from the air. so you could say anywhere you have 5,000-11,000 feet of semi level ground needs to be checked out, and yes that includes "non cleared" areas because yet another ww2 trick was to put bushes, trees and other things around that could be removed to "hide" the fact it was an airfield. so that would be a heck of a lot of pacific islands to check not to mention almost all of the bigger land masses that this aircraft could conceivably make it to. that is one HUGE haystack

Now that officials believe the plane flew over land masses (and cell towers) enroute to its ultimate destination, is it likely that no cell phone contact was made because the passengers/crew were all searched and stripped of electronics, which were all destroyed?

If a hijack, this had to be planned well in advance. Not some plot that was suddenly cooked up by the captain. Too many moving parts, IMO.

reply to post by ManiShuck


ok so we know there where 5 spare seats as ppl missed the flight, what happened to these ppl that missed the flight, how did they miss the flight?.... where the 5 seats filled? who where they filled by?

did MH370 avoid civilian radar? yes

did MH370 avoid military radar? Not sure , if it did then it had to have high specialised military trained pilots with inner works of the B777 and military installations.....

hopefully tomorrow we will know more...

lots not being said,

reply to post by option158


The five passengers that were mentioned was corrected by the airlines. Four passengers who bought tickets never checked in. At least one of the passengers was Greg Candelaria, from Houston, TX, who missed the flight simply because it would have entailed flying 45 hours. It's a common thing for people to miss flights. Also, I believe the flight had multiple open seats, so it's unlikely those missing the flight made any extra room on the plane available.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Simple as a man can be, the aged, infirm, and children have to be excluded from suspects as well as the 2
Iranians with stolen passports. Exclude the 20 Tx software people. That leaves the crew, some Aussies,
2 Ukrainians, and a Russian Jewish dive instructed. Aliens prefer Airbus. We ( u&I ) can figure this out.
Main ? Where's is the plane ?