Obama Signs Order Declaring Ukraine Crisis an ‘Extraordinary Threat’ to National Security

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Exactly. I was just looking up the specifics.

Russia would do the same thing if we threatened to invade Syria. You all know Russia would give the US the SAME treatment as we're giving them now.

Russia is no different, except it's a lot less free. I don't know about you others, but despite the fact we're similar to them, AT LEAST we're freer. It's about choosing the lesser evil. In my mind, the US is the lesser evil.

In hte background, China and Russia hate us and we hate them. We got France and Britain and Australia and others on our side. Proxy wars are firing up all over the world. There's no peace except the illusion of peace.

Big countries don't fight each other directly at first, they fight through the smaller nations. They strongarm and manipulate and try to win hearts and minds. Eventually, one or the other comes out on top and only then attacks directly, if needed. The hope is by that time their differences blur.

The only way to settle the wars is for there to be a world government. We're halfway there, maybe. Like Reagan said, we need an outside threat. Perhaps this threat will materialize as we investigate the local star space. Or maybe it will come from climate change or a global pandemic. It will require we work together. And we also need the technology to connect the world both in terms of information and policing. We're a lot closer to meeting that criteria today than in the past, but if we overshoot our means we'll end up like Rome: spread too thin.

Danbones
obama hates the usa thats why he is gonna get all the countries in the world totally pissed and then they will come over and flatten all the banking records.....I mean people all the money has been stolen from

A great empire cannot be destroyed from outside until it has destroyed itself from within...

And the USA is starting to smell preeeeeettty ripe..

What "other"freakin powers does this allow Obama to usurp?
Isnt a National Security threat reason for invoking all kinds of draconian things as well?.....should he wish to......
This may be precursor to your bank account frozen or your kids drafted or indeterminate detention for dissent.....
Or Abrams tanks on the corner.....
The Security threat is fairly dire in the sense that financial,and political, are very hard to separate these days....and a # storm in one, will surely cause the same in the other.....

reply to post by Danbones


We were talking about what to do about the Ukrainian situation. What we need to do about the U.S.A. is an entirely different discussion and goes WAY beyond the government or certainly this administration. We have a number of threads running where everyone is dog-piling on the administration for 'not doing anything'. I would just like to hear what, in the infinite wisdom of the ATS denizens, should be done. John McCain and his ilk has already provided all the histrionics around the situation we need. Now it's time to put-up or shut-up. What's the easy answer? You have tough-guy Putin, a wholly-owned mafia puppet, who clearly doesn't give a rat's about what the world thinks. What would you do to counter? I don't care who was sitting in the Whitehouse. He would have done the same thing. He knows we can't and we won't stand up to him. Anymore than he stood up to us when we pulled the exact same crap.

reply to post by deadcalm


Sure, Crimea will vote to rejoin Russia as will eastern parts of Ukraine (Kharkov etc).
That's because they are ethnic Russians who moved in during the 1930's to "russify" the areas and make Ukrainian transition in to being a part of the USSR easier.
The rest of Ukraine will not be so hot to rejoin though.
They haven't even had 25 years if independence yet and the EU is putting on heavy pressure to join.
Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe with the largest grain growing region in the continent.
This why everybody wants them as their exclusive trade partner.
Ukraine has a problem in that Russia provides their gas and oil they need to live.
The major gas pipeline to Western Europe also flows through Ukraine.
They are in between the proverbial rock and a hard place.

devildogUSMC

The order allows the administration to impose visa restrictions on Russians and Crimeans which are identified as threats to Ukraine’s security or territorial integrity. The order also paves the way for the imposition of sanctions on individuals the government determines are responsible for “undermining democratic processes or institutions in Ukraine.”

You mean sanctions against the coup leaders that Germany orchestrated with a green light from parts of our government, and backed by the Western megabanks? Because they are the ones that undermined the democratic process of Ukraine.

I'm just guessing that they won't sanction the usurpers.

Maybe I'm being stupid...but is there a link for the OP please?
Rainbows
Jane

MystikMushroom
So somehow a country on the other side of the world is a threat?

This is how we do it folks, we justify it as a "national security threat" and then we move to action. I always wondered why Russia just didn't claim they were looking for WMD in Ukraine?

What do you mean we? You should be saying he. El Dictador did this with his newly discovered pan & phone power rather than going through traditional channels to do it. I doubt it would be as easy if he tried to make his case to we like he should be.

Yes it is a threat.

Its a threat to the power of the US government.

If Crimea vote too and successfully leave Ukraine and Join Russia its sets a President for parts of other country's that are unhappy to secede and possibly go there own way.

Cant have people deciding there own destiny.

reply to post by crazyewok


Given how Obama apparently treated a group of governors ... He might well be upset about that. Wouldn't want some of the flyover states deciding that we want to tell DC where to shove it and form our own nation. I know it was tried once, but if the "pen & phone" power gets any more prevalent without something happening to curb it ... it may just happen all over again. We have a COTUS for a reason.

reply to post by theabsolutetruth

While Obama is definitely a "team" player, I think Bush made it obvious that the US is a rogue state.

The entire World knew that the attack on Iraq was based on lies.

He also set the entire police state in motion with the unPatriot Act, warrant-less spying, torture, the DHS, TSA, citizen assassinations, watch lists, indefinite detentions, secret renditions, black sites etc.

As usual, the next administration just picks up where the last one left off.

angelchemuel
Maybe I'm being stupid...but is there a link for the OP please?
Rainbows
Jane

^^^^^This, pretty please?

extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.”

reply to post by devildogUSMC


Really? All I have to say is the president and congress can fight their own wars based upon made-up threats. I hope the American public learned their lesson with the war in Iraq. The fear mongering by our elected officials needs to stop. People need to vote these warmongers out of office.

reply to post by angelchemuel


well here is the actual Executive Order.....

Executive Order -- Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine



and here's an article......

Obama signs Executive Order concerning Ukraine, imposes asset freeze and restricts U.S. travel

reply to post by xuenchen


Thank you, much obliged
Rainbows
Jane

reply to post by gladtobehere


The entire world, but not their intel agencies ... Maybe it was just all the laymen in the world.

reply to post by devildogUSMC


Seems Barry's " Handlers " are Hell Bent on Starting Another War . I Hope the American People as a Whole see through this Charade . It is Also just about time WE THE PEOPLE Forceablly Impeach this Traitor to our Constitution and the Bill Of Rights before it is To Late !

GOD BLESS AMERICA ! RISE !

deadcalm
The Crimean PEOPLE have just voted to join Russia....what justification is there for slapping sanctions on Russia?
funded by the CIA.

Alright. Let's play that game. Imagine if every ethnic minority in every country of this world had the right to have an referendum and declare independence in the areas where they are the majority ?! What would this world look like ?
If it was so , do you know what Russia would look like ? Would you support people of Chechnya if they were to declare independence from Russia ? You know what Russia did in Chechnya ?

He's putting pressure on the people who can then pressure on Putin to not escalate the situation.

Super rich Russian dudes: Yo, Putin...chill. You're ruining our Miami spring break vacation plans.
Putin: So this means no kickbacks for me?
Super rich Russian dudes: Da.
Putin: Aw holera.

In recent history, Bush did the same against terrorist organizations (here ) and Iran (here).

There are probably other similar EOs from other administrations. I don't see where this is setting any kind of precedent. The precedent has already been set.