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beansidhe
WarminIndy
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Question: Why did this man say phylacteries were leather pouches, when phylacteries are the square boxes tied to their heads?
It's kind of tough to stuff a scroll into a phylactery. I therefore question this article until the author redacts phylactery.
Thankfully Utnap wrote this earlier, so I can answer your question:
My initial thought was, oh no, another pile of fragments to add to the already vast DSS puzzle. But after digging a little deeper (pun intended - Source), I understand these nine fragments were actually tiny scrolls found inside leather 'tefillin'. Tefillin are two little boxes each containing compartments with tiny handwritten scrolls inside which the observant Jew carefully bind around their hand and forehead as part of the morning prayer ritual.
The scrolls he refers to are very, very small, and the phylacteries were, in fact leather, so I think he's using the word pouch interchangeably with phylactery. It's hard to be certain, but that's my best guess.
beansidhe
reply to post by Utnapisjtim
On a good day. When doctrine really hits, it hits hard.
Hope all is good with you!
WarminIndy
beansidhe
WarminIndy
reply to post by beansidhe
Question: Why did this man say phylacteries were leather pouches, when phylacteries are the square boxes tied to their heads?
It's kind of tough to stuff a scroll into a phylactery. I therefore question this article until the author redacts phylactery.
Thankfully Utnap wrote this earlier, so I can answer your question:
My initial thought was, oh no, another pile of fragments to add to the already vast DSS puzzle. But after digging a little deeper (pun intended - Source), I understand these nine fragments were actually tiny scrolls found inside leather 'tefillin'. Tefillin are two little boxes each containing compartments with tiny handwritten scrolls inside which the observant Jew carefully bind around their hand and forehead as part of the morning prayer ritual.
The scrolls he refers to are very, very small, and the phylacteries were, in fact leather, so I think he's using the word pouch interchangeably with phylactery. It's hard to be certain, but that's my best guess.
When talking about Orthodox Judaism, I would think he would not say pouch when referring to tefillim and phylacteries.
But moving aside from that, why would First Century Christians be wearing phylacteries when it was not their practice to do so? If anything, it proves a Jewish source. So the DSS scrolls are Jewish, except for the Gnostic texts also found? If both were found together then this cave wasn't so hidden. Could it be they were put there in the Islamic invasion of the 7th Century?
But why then would both be found together? It's a mystery.
Utnapisjtim
WarminIndy
beansidhe
WarminIndy
reply to post by beansidhe
Question: Why did this man say phylacteries were leather pouches, when phylacteries are the square boxes tied to their heads?
It's kind of tough to stuff a scroll into a phylactery. I therefore question this article until the author redacts phylactery.
Thankfully Utnap wrote this earlier, so I can answer your question:
My initial thought was, oh no, another pile of fragments to add to the already vast DSS puzzle. But after digging a little deeper (pun intended - Source), I understand these nine fragments were actually tiny scrolls found inside leather 'tefillin'. Tefillin are two little boxes each containing compartments with tiny handwritten scrolls inside which the observant Jew carefully bind around their hand and forehead as part of the morning prayer ritual.
The scrolls he refers to are very, very small, and the phylacteries were, in fact leather, so I think he's using the word pouch interchangeably with phylactery. It's hard to be certain, but that's my best guess.
When talking about Orthodox Judaism, I would think he would not say pouch when referring to tefillim and phylacteries.
But moving aside from that, why would First Century Christians be wearing phylacteries when it was not their practice to do so? If anything, it proves a Jewish source. So the DSS scrolls are Jewish, except for the Gnostic texts also found? If both were found together then this cave wasn't so hidden. Could it be they were put there in the Islamic invasion of the 7th Century?
But why then would both be found together? It's a mystery.
Can you please tell me what Gnostic texts were found at Qumran? And how a Teffilin cannot be a pouch?
Utnapisjtim
reply to post by WarminIndy
The reason for it mostly being shaped like a cube is probably to act as a scaled down Holy of Holies, which is also cubic. The Kaba in Mecca is cubic, and The New Jerusalem of John is shaped like a cube. Seems to be one of the Abrahamian God's signatures, as a sign of his covenants with his humans in his astronomical ant farm experiment.
Utnapisjtim
reply to post by WarminIndy
Isaiah 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. 24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: 25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless , saying , Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
Besides, only graven images are forbidden, the computer screen is a mosaic, thus it's not a graven image. A graven image can be useful in printing, perhaps it's printing God forbade?edit on 16-3-2014 by Utnapisjtim because: Added last §
WarminIndy
In semantics, anything is open to interpretation,
Utnapisjtim
WarminIndy
In semantics, anything is open to interpretation,
Hehe, well, though I would wish semantics had such magical properties, I'm afraid I have to dissapoint you, or in the light of the Word-- illuminate you a tad bit here. Semantics is the linguistic science of determining and categorising lexical meanings to any word. The semantics of a word either spesifically or on sentance level reveals the lexical meaning or what the word means, or may mean in different contextual or hermeneutical respects. Since the same word can have different meanings in different contexts, like the word for tree in Norwegian, 'tre'. This word has several semantical meanings, not just 'tree'. It is also the number 'three' and also 'to enter' and 'to pull on' [tight jeans] and 'thread' [a needle] and so on. Get the point? Have to fly here....
WarminIndy
Ok, just don't melt your wings.
'Either they didn’t realize that these were also scrolls, or they didn’t know how to open them,' the IAA's head of artefact treatment and conservation Pnina Shor said.
The tiny scrolls were found inside three phylacteries, small leather boxes with Biblical verses written on them (called tefillin) that are worn by Jews during their morning prayers.
Their discoverer, Yonatan Adler, had the boxes scanned using CT at a hospital in Israel in hopes there would be parchment inside.
Until now, the scrolls remained bound inside the phylacteries for approximately 2,000 years.
The IAA has been tasked with the difficult job of unrolling the scrolls without damaging them.
'We’re going to do it slowly, but we’ll first consult with all of our experts about how to go about this,' said Schor, who would not reveal when the process would start.
'We need to do a lot of research before we start doing this.'
Remains of more than 900 religious manuscripts were found in 11 caves near the Dead Sea in the 1940s and 50s in Qumran.
Once read , the scrolls are expected to shed new light on the religious practices of the Jewish people during the Second Temple Period between the years of 530 BC and 70, an era named for a holy place of worship for the Jewish people that was constructed by the builder of ancient Jerusalem King Herod.
hounddoghowlie
edit on 6-3-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)man what happened to my post, i edited it and now the whole thing is gone.edit on 6-3-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)
Village Idiot
hounddoghowlie
edit on 6-3-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)man what happened to my post, i edited it and now the whole thing is gone.edit on 6-3-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)
I'm afraid it has fallen into the hands of the Rockerfellas
The nine new scrolls were collected along with the others, but somewhere along the line archaeologists had just lost track of them. “Either they didn’t realise that these were also scrolls, or they didn’t know how to open them,” said the head of the Israel Antiquities Authority's Dead Sea Scrolls project to the Times of Israel.
CommandoJoe
hounddoghowlie
reply to post by R_Clark
reply to post by borntowatch
i was replying to a members post about hiding some supposed imaginary truth about the origins of Christianity.
pointing out that jews don't coddle Christians.
i guess i should have said some instead of is not all that Christian friendly.
sometime the reading.., well i wont go there.
i should have pointed out that the IAA (Israel Antiquities Authority ) handles all matters of the dead sea scrolls in Israel.
In honor of the 60th anniversary of the discovery of the scrolls last year, the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA), the custodian of the scrolls, which maintains a laboratory dedicated solely to their conservation, convened a conference this year on the urgent matter of their conservation. The IAA called on experts from the Italian Ministry of Culture to seek solutions to unsolved issues, such as releasing fragments that are still encased in the original glass plates in which they were placed in the 1950s.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, Israel
then knowing that majority of the population of Israel identify as being jewish
Israel is also the only country in the world where a majority of citizens are Jewish. According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, the population in 2011 was 75.4% Jewish, 20.6% Arab, and 4.1% minority groups.[1] The religious affiliation of the Israeli population[vague] as of 2011 was 75.4% Jewish, 16.9% Muslim, 2.1% Christian, and 1.7% Druze, with the remaining 4.0% not classified by religion.[2]
then posted some of theses videos instead of a opinion piece from the wall street journal.
www.youtube.com...=208
i edited this and gave a link due to language, you should watch this one.
further, i support Israel and the Jewish state, sad fact is that just like any where else in the world one group hates another and Christians seem to take more heat world wide than anyone else.
edit on 6-3-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)
McGinty
reply to post by hounddoghowlie
The first vid could be graffiti done sourly be the filmmaker - proves nothing, really.
However, the second vid is very disturbing indeed. No offence hounddoghowlie, but can anyone else shed light on it? Is it representative, or as the guy tells the interviewer is it this just a few nutters?
As an American Christian living in Israel for almost 4 years, I can say that neither me or my wife have ever felt discriminated against or mistreated in any way for being Christian (or American for that matter)... Quite the opposite in fact, we've been very well treated here.
Your first article was about a relatively small group of Palestinian Christians in the West Bank, and not Christians in Israel in general. And I think it is very likely they are mistreated more because they are being lumped in with all Palestinians rather than because they are Christian... I have an Arab Christian friend here, who lives in Israel, is an Israeli citizen, has a good job, and is well respected by our team.
Another thing - while the majority of the Israeli population identifies as Jewish, most are secular (I've heard #'s around 80%). The second video in your later post is NOT the majority, they are ultraconservative Orthodox Jews and some of those would be considered borderline extremist or radical. Some of the people (Jewish) I work with can't stand them - many are a burden on the welfare system and refuse to work and refuse to serve the mandatory military service, preferring to study Torah all day at the public's expense. Most of the bad behavior of religious Jews that is publicized abroad is going to be from the Orthodox community...