La Quemada, México another archeological place that doesn't fit..

Well after pondering for a long time if I should port this here it goes:

This information comes from Myself, as the research of this archeological site is scarce and is embedded in what I think is a huge conspiracy to hid our real history from us. I beg to read the whole thing before making inane comments or trying to disprove my observation comparing other sites and or data, in order to "fit this into the model".

Background.

the archeological site "la Quemada is in the northern state of Zacatecas in Mexico, in fact Zacatecas is indeed an incredible beautiful city and receives tons and tons of tourists from all over the world, but the ruins of "la Quemada" are a mere 40 miles away and almost nobody goes there. In fact I did not know about them and I have been to more that 20 archeological sites in Mexico, and studied a lot about history and pre columbian sites.

After I went there and became amazed at such a site I tried to reseal the place, HOLY COW little did I know that the info was so scarce and few knew for such a place...

this is the link for our national archeological bureau.

www.inah.gob.mx..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Inah Site

its only a page and it has no translation (only in Spanish) Google is the same thing... so I entered Google earth since our guide told us there is 140 miles or road on the city plateau, so I wanted to check the image from above... here the PLOT BEGINS...

Here is the image from above: [IMG]http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/quemada1x.jpg[/ IMG]

The here is the Image 300 meter to the northeast and see the resolution:

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As you can see the road and its parts are very clear but we move to the archeological site and its all blurred !!! WHY ? You can even see the road that lead to the site and its all blurred.. WHY ?

What is "la Quemada"???

La quemada means "The burned One", meaning that some of the walls of the city have black marks of fire as if was burned. its a walled city that has walls that are from 14 to 17 meter high and everything is huge, there is evidence of total destruction and annihilation of the top parts as it sits on top os a mountain (plateau) that sits around 100 meter high. As far as they told us all the plateau was the city and it was huge here are some pictures of its grandeur:

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Yours truly for scale:
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This one is interesting because of the size the inclination and check the size of the STEPS of these walled pyramid like structure. (more on the size of the steps later)

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The view from the first embattlement : (check the arid of the place, no rivers, just desert flora and the scarcity of landmark point)

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From the top of the walled city lies a road an another very destroyed wall and settlement that looks like a vintage point of observation (eagles have nests there)

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These are interesting because rocks have this very weird small holes on them and look like they were broken somehow, yet they were part of some structure but they looked as if they were destroyed on purpose....no righ angles or anything

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Look att the size of the place AMAZING also there are pyramids and huge structures that all in all have some proportions that makes them "weird" for our Biomechanicals. (more about that later) those columns on the top of the pic are 12 feet high !!!

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This one is very interesting, you can see the columns and its size, also that they had the typical ball game stadium just like the Mayans, the large square I think was for water holding but its only a guess, also check the broken stones in the lower part... weird isn't it?

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Another view look at the size of the wall !

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Pretty big isn't it?
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Pyramid ...

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These columns are 12 to 14 feet high perfectly round and the hall they sustained must have been HUGE.

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A view upwards from what I think was a water holding tank to the top...
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Huge walls too bad Nobody is there the make a good size reference but the tree is like 11 feet high

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Pretty darn big wall, the size is very hot in the middle of the desert so getting a heat stroke is quite possible...also walking to the top is quite a feat..

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Another view
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This is what lies on the valley...cactus and Nopal plants

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Soo basically the place is huge the stairs are a good 45 to 65 centimeters high and they are very steep, so climbing up is strenuous and dangerous.

continued....

So we have these huge 45 to 65 cm high steeps totally different from other archeological sites, because the steps elsewhere are quite small.

In fact there rare so many questions arising from this site that can't be explained and quite frankly the guide and I got into an argument because I kept asking questions on the obvious and he got very uncomfortable... example:

Why build a city in such place were there is no water? If we are led to believe that it was inhabited from the 400 to the 1000 A.D. the place was very dry almost no water, why build a site with so much complexity with no surces of sustainability??? In fact it is just like Monte Alban and Macchu Pichu on top of a mountain/plateau...

I told him what if these structures were more like 15 to 10 k years old, because in those times the vegetation here was of a forest and mamuts and lots of animals should have graded here also with water....

Why such big proportions, it looks like it was built for people at least 8 to 9 feet high, everything is big...

Why the destruction is so complete on top and the burned marks?? I have some high def videos of the path to the top it was a clear day in march and the temps were above 90 F... there is nothing left no burials scattered ably a few tools and vases but that is it... I asked him if they have carbon dated or something... he just shrugged...

It is clear to me that this site is quite interesting and have very large gaps as to its purpose, who build it and most important:

WHY THE WALLS ARE SO HIGH, WHAT THEY WERE DEFENDING FROM? Why in such a hell hole? I don't believe such people built that city just for kicks in a place with no water and no sustainable flora or fauna...

So another big riddle in the settlements of the Americas don't you think?

Feel free to ask Ill try to answer your questions.

I hope you don't mind but I'm going to upload this pic so everyone can see the scale of this place, it looks like a hilltop fort to me.
You're very lucky to go to such places, I'm jealous

What an amazing find! I'm surprised no archeologists are investigating this site!

Man seems to be finding more evidence of ancient advanced civilizations all the time, yet nobody is willing to rewrite history to correct all of the inaccuracies

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Thanks Kix!!

Do you any info about it?

Who were the constructors, the age ?

SNC

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S & F

I'm very appreciative that you took the time to post the pics and explain your thoughts. This is a very interesting site. I personally think you're right to question why it seems certain sites get over looked or that there are archaeological cover ups.

I'm looking forward to more of your forum contributions

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So, each step averages 1.4' to 2.1' in rise? Do you know the rise to tread data? Typical stairs are about 7" to 8" in rise, 10 1/2" to 11 1/2" in tread. The stairs may have been designed that way for larger beings, or possibly to keep something else from climbing, kind of like the walls. Walls that high could be explained by a psyche, but the stairs? Not likely. Sounds like large beings were using the stairs. As for the lack of water, irrigation comes in many forms and is paramount in early architecture. Just how early? Who knows.

The tread of the stairs is most telling, examine the pitch. 20 to 50 degrees is sign of current man. Anything higher is physiologically incompatible for safe climbing or descending, unless one is very tall.

Just doing a Google search, it doesn't appear as if info is that scarce...for instance:
Link
Looks like more available through JSTOR as well. Nice looking site!

nugget1
What an amazing find! I'm surprised no archeologists are investigating this site!

Check the link...lots are by the looks of it!

That's very cool!!

Looks like it was a large established settlement at one point.

My imagination wants it to be the home of giants that once ruled the local people with an iron fist from their castle on a hill and then in a massive rebellion the city was burned down and it became forbidden to visit or mention the "evil giant" ruins thus culturally avoided by the guides

But...my brain tells me:

It's the 1st result when I Google "ruins near Zacatecas Mexico" so it's obviously not too secret.
Doesn't appear to be forbidden either since other people appear is a couple of your pictures & you obviously were able to go there.

If there is indeed a lack of traffic to this site then the truth is likely something more along the lines of the head of the local government not buttering up the palms of the right people as well as some of the other ruins areas so the tourists are not being sent his way.

Great ruins either way - thanks for the write up & pictures - wish I was there

Thanks for sharing this Great Thread
Interesting Place also called Chicomostoc O La Quemada
This video has music as background (might want to turn the music down).

There are more videos on Youtube all in Spanish here is one (Spanish members maybe translate?)

*&F

Very interesting. I wonder why more people do not examine this place. I suppose archeological sites are blurred on Google so people don't go there and loot them. Hmmm....blurred sites being possible archeological sites actually makes me wonder....The first impression would be secret government sites.

kix
After I went there and became amazed at such a site I tried to reseal the place, HOLY COW little did I know that the info was so scarce and few knew for such a place...

this is the link for our national archeological bureau.

www.inah.gob.mx..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Inah Site

[IMG]http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/quemada1x.jpg[/ IMG]

i45.photobucket.com...

As you can see the road and its parts are very clear but we move to the archeological site and its all blurred !!! WHY ? You can even see the road that lead to the site and its all blurred.. WHY ?

[IMG]http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/IMG_3131.jpg[/IM G]

Yours truly for scale:
[IMG]http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/IMG_3127.jpg[/IM G]

[IMG]http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/IMG_3108.jpg[/IM G]

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continued....

I have an intense interest interest in all things historical.

But, my security apps are complaining massively. If I understand these security apps correctly (no sure thing), these photos have over 40 scripts attached to them. Can anyone confirm or refute this?

JohnnyCanuck
Just doing a Google search, it doesn't appear as if info is that scarce...for instance:
Link
Looks like more available through JSTOR as well. Nice looking site!

nugget1
What an amazing find! I'm surprised no archeologists are investigating this site!

Check the link...lots are by the looks of it!

edit on 5-3-2014 by JohnnyCanuck because: (no reason given)

Lots of info on that site

PDF on the site from 1995

Info but behind pay wall - from 2005

You may wish to find and read the following article

THE REGION OF THE ANCIENT “CHICHIMECS,” WITH NOTES ON THE TEPECANOS AND THE RUIN OF LA QUEMADA, MEXICO
American Anthropologist, Volume 5, Issue 3, pages 385–440, July-September 1903

This site has been under study for 110 years and a number of earlier people noted the site but did no formal exacavations

There is also a great deal of information in Spanish on this site and the surrounding areas

I really don't know about the weird links, since the photos I just uploaded them to photo bucket ...maybe some guys are going to pay me a visit soon (that would be a conspiracy LOL).

Anyways more info:

Basically there is not a lot of promotion of this site, it doesn't appear on some of the local tourist guides, or its only mentioned briefly, in fact I could not find any tour to take you there. The time you take to get there from Zacatecas is like 45 minutes tops, so its pretty close to a big town, and there is a town called LA QUEMADA 2 miles away its population is like 1800 ....

Its not forbidden and anyone can go, the entrance is 43 pesos (like USD$ 3.20) you can be all around and I did not see a lot of guards, so I guess nobody loots the place because there is not much left, the larger city is pretty unexplored. The stairs are ALL BIG, its not like just one or 2 are big, all of them are pretty big so climbing is strenuous. There are tons of snakes signs, but I never saw (thankfully) a snake.

You can stay all day and be burn to oblivion by the sun.... watching the Eagles soar and make noises was awesome...

What they know? basically nothing, the guide and the small museum they have over there (pretty nice BTW), skas that they were precursors of the Aztecs or maybe the Toltecs (by my book It means they are guessing), the time of the city is stated as 400 to 1000 AD so It was pretty arid by then and water? Iguess not. I saw no signs go holes, wells or something to make clear how they survived there.

I will post more pics for the stairs... feel free to ask...

KIX

Thanks for a thought provoking post! S&F

Why the destruction is so complete on top and the burned marks??

I would love to see pics of what you are referring to when you say destruction and burnt marks.

“The site thought by some to be the legendary Chicomostoc of the Aztec
legends , "The Place of The Seven Caves"
According to local info the mountainous region does have caves along a ridge into
which the ruin is built.” Links:
www.softseattravel.com...
www.worldisround.com...

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Amazing photos, I can't thank you enough for sharing them. This isn't a site I'm familiar with but a quick search came up with many articles as Johhny C and Harte have mentioned. Here's an interesting one on JSTOR that you don't have to pay for-

www.jstor.org...

And another-

www.jstor.org...

You may have to sign up and set up an account on JSTOR but you can read the articles for free and usually only have to pay if you're downloading them.

Look at the size and tickles of the walls....

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2 steps of the stairs, check my VW keys for scale..
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Big place

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Another from the stair, check the suffering ...they are hard...

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Now look at how much are they

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Its hard to see due to the resolution but a lot of the stones have burn marks and dust.

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Another more destroyed "tank"

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A platter found there: check the drawings VERY INTERESTING like a double headed iguana or something

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The colors are FANTASTIC

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Big everything

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More weird looking creatures:

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I will make a HD video of the site and upload it to VIMEO for a better quality, check on friday..

In the meantime feel free to ask.

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Wow great thread and pics!!!
Regarding the stairs it may have just been as a measure to make it harder to attack or be invaded.
But the question is from who???

Also in regards to the stairs if the stairs are huge that doesn't exactly mean large people. However if the stairs are huge and those beautiful bowls are huge then just maybe. I have a hard time seeing giants eating out of bowls that are standard fare for us.

I still think its a great thread tho.

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