Question about dark matter.

onequestion
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

Show me where they've proven that gravity is the warping of space?

Conclusive evidence supported by math.

Yes. This evidence definitely exists. I'm not going to dig it up for you though.

Arbitrageur

smithjustinb
My question is, "Could the metric expansion of space supplement dark matter as an explanation."

No it's exactly opposite of what's needed for an explanation.

Metric expansion of space explains why things seem to be flying apart. We need the opposite effect, some kind of explanation of why stars are NOT flying apart in galactic rotation

Objects in space move towards other objects in space. When those objects are becoming further separated, doesn't the attractive force of gravity have less of an influence, and therefore the objects don't get flung out? Its centrifugal force, not the expansion of space that would be causing the stars to get flung out.

reply to post by onequestion


How about the fact we know all massive objects warp space/time and we know all massive objects have gravity. We also know that the more massive the object the more space is twisted the more gravity it has, the more time is dilated.
I don't know the math. But I think that's a pretty solid case. I figure it would be harder to find an alternate reason for gravity when you have the mass/gravity/time space all fitting pretty well togather.

reply to post by ArtemisE


So your telling me they have conclusively figured out what the gravitational forces are?

onequestion
reply to post by ArtemisE

 

So your telling me they have conclusively figured out what the gravitational forces are?

The warping of space is an effect of gravity. The warping of space has been conclusively observed and it has been conclusively related to gravity as the cause.

They found the higgs boson which is what they say is the cause of gravity.

There's a lot i don't know about this stuff, but what i'm telling you is what i know.

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


No you don't lol. It was a ridiculous premis anyway. Athiests can't feel awe when the see something amazing in the natural world.... It's no different when anyone else sees some thing awesome. Atheists just don't need a magic force that designed it. It's not hard to feel wonder weather something is man/god made or random chance . Amazing is amazing no matter your religious persuasion. Your comment had more then a hint of troll because of the ridiculousness of it all.

reply to post by ArtemisE


Explain why the universe follows a set group of instructions that govern its existence vs complete and utter chaos?

Where did that "system" manifest from?

reply to post by ArtemisE


I'm just going to say this, and this is going to end it. How do you know whether my reply would've been good or not? Are you the prognosticator of prognosticators? That's it.

onequestion
reply to post by ArtemisE

 

Explain why the universe follows a set group of instructions that govern its existence vs complete and utter chaos?

Where did that "system" manifest from?

None of this has anything to do with the topic. We're on page three. Ideally, we should still be on page 1, but its been filled with off topic venting.

reply to post by smithjustinb


I'm pretty sure mass creates the warp of time space and gravity and time dilation are the symptoms.

The Higgs field is what is theorized to have turned some of the energy at the Big Bang into mass. Not the trigger that controls gravity.

reply to post by smithjustinb


You start a thread about a bunch of hypothetical science concepts.

What did you expect us to talk about?

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


Because your premiss was ridiculous and untrue. I'm an athiest and have no lack of wonder at the awsome magnificence of the universe. I live off astronomy documentaries and articles.

There's no way you could have a good reply to what is obviously a false statement.

ArtemisE
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

I'm pretty sure mass creates the warp of time space and gravity and time dilation are the symptoms.

The Higgs field is what is theorized to have turned some of the energy at the Big Bang into mass. Not the trigger that controls gravity.

Yeah but its the Higgs boson that is responsible for mass. Or am i off?

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


I don't have to be a psychic to smell bs lol. I just need a nose.

reply to post by ArtemisE


I retract my comment. There is no way that I can know what someone else thinks or feels.

reply to post by smithjustinb


I think the Higgs Bozon is just a "piece" of the Higgs field knocked off in The LHC. Might be just a little off there, but I think that's right.

onequestion
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

You start a thread about a bunch of hypothetical science concepts.

What did you expect us to talk about?

How known facts either support or go against my question. Not more unknowns that couldn't possibly contribute.

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


Damn... Well played. Don't get that kind of logic from a true believer often.

I mean that. I appreciate it.

reply to post by ArtemisE


Now, you are being presumptuous. I think that you are more judgemental than you realize.

Could dark matter and energy bee the same thing? Could the expansion ( dark energy) of time space between galaxies. Also have a contracting effect accounting for the extra gravity (dark matter). That's what I got from the OP. I actually think this has a lot of merit!