BREAKING: Russia Tells Ukraine: Surrender By 5:00 AM Tomorrow, Or Face Military 'Storm'

reply to post by Xcathdra


Interesting catch.

One wonders if this is out of fear on the Polish authorities part or is NATO pulling the string in the background?

Poland being the Ukraine's Western neighbor and all...

reply to post by SLAYER69


In addition to Poland, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia are NATO members. While Poland shares a direct border with Russia, they all share a common border with Ukraine. Since Ukraine is being invaded by Russia, I can see why those 4 countries might be concerned.

Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are also NATO members with direct borders with Russia.

Xcathdra
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

In addition to Poland, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia are NATO members. While Poland shares a direct border with Russia, they all share a common border with Ukraine. Since Ukraine is being invaded by Russia, I can see why those 4 countries might be concerned.

Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are also NATO members with direct borders with Russia.

You know your borders.

If we turn it around it's obvious Putin was stressed out for a long time already with NATO creeping up on him in his back yard. Now all of a sudden Ukraine is uprising and NATO/EU is breaking windows trying to come into the house. It was a very bad move from the interim government to even think about discussing minorities and language ban at this time.

Theories about western involvement in this uprising may (or may not) be completely fabricated but either way it seems we are all in deep doodoo.

reply to post by Xcathdra


I was thinking about containment with regards to Ukraine via Poland

reply to post by SLAYER69


There's nothing to contain other than NATO chest thumping,expecting B1's, Raptors to arrive in Poland
things are ramping up and I don't see either backing down, do we really want to go down this road?

all2human
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

not a shot has been fired

edit on 3-3-2014 by all2human because: (no reason given)

That doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Shots have been fired, but not by the Russian military.... YET.

-SAP-

reply to post by SloAnPainful


Agree'd, but if Poland enters the Fray, it up's the ante to an uncomfortable level

all2human
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

There's nothing to contain other than NATO chest thumping,expecting B1's, Raptors to arrive in Poland
things are ramping up and I don't see either backing down, do we really want to go down this road?

edit on 3-3-2014 by all2human because: (no reason given)

If Russia does not back down and withdraw its forces that are not authorized to be in Ukraine then Yes, we must go down this road.

If we don't, where does it stop?

all2human
There's nothing to contain other than NATO chest thumping,expecting B1's, Raptors to arrive in Poland
things are ramping up and I don't see either backing down, do we really want to go down this road?

Chest thumping?

Which former Soviet State just invaded a neighboring former Soviet State?

Get a grip and face reality here.

reply to post by Xcathdra


It continues on from precedents made from (a country that I shall not name)

reply to post by SLAYER69


Not an invasion if they were asked to be there..
fact is the president of Ukraine was removed illegally, grip/reality

reply to post by all2human


Ukraine wants to know who asked them?

all2human
Not an invasion if they were asked to be there..

Well I think those Ukrainians in the West are of the same mindset...

Ukraine seeks Nato assistance as UN meets

Ukraine has asked Nato to look at all possible ways to help it protect its territorial integrity, foreign minister Sergei Deshchiritsya said today.

The minister said he had held talks with officials from the United States and the European Union and then asked Nato for help after what Ukraine’s prime minister described as Russian aggression.

A request had been made to Nato to “look at using all possibilities for protecting the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, the Ukrainian people and nuclear facilities on Ukrainian territory,” he said.

When and IF NATO forces arrive at least they'll have the balls to wear their insignia, not like Russian soldiers.

Who the hell do they think they're fooling anyways?

all2human
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Not an invasion if they were asked to be there..
fact is the president of Ukraine of was removed illegally, grip/reality

edit on 3-3-2014 by all2human because: (no reason given)

Do you r due diligence and read that info instead of being taken at face value what's being fed to you.

the Russians initially claimed they were asked by the Crimean government to step in. when it was discovered the Crimea does not have the authority under Ukrainian law to do that, the Russian Ambassador to the UN pulls out plan B, which is to show a letter submitted from the former President of Ukraine.

Who, by the way, was removed lawfully. Even RT is showing that.

now the Russian Ambassador is speaking about the attacks on ethnic Russians in east Ukraine.

Russia has gone insane...

The lawfully removed President of Ukraine is the one who ordered soldiers to fire on "non ethnic" Russians. The government of Ukraine has not fired on "ethnic Russians".

reply to post by SLAYER69


Depends on if you consider the current leadership of Ukraine legitimate,which technically, according to Russia they are not

reply to post by all2human


Didn't his own party vote him out?

all2human
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Depends on if you consider the current leadership of Ukraine legititmate,which technically they are not

Please demonstrate how the current government of Ukraine is invalid. Its not enough to keep stating it, back it up with facts please.

Constitution of Ukraine

RT News - Timeline of events

Monday, February 24

15:46 GMT:

Ukraine’s parliament voted to allocate approximately 1.96 billion hryvinas (approximately 218 million dollars) from the state budget to hold early presidential elections, slated to be held on May 25. The measure received 352 affirmative votes out, far surpassing the 226 required for it to pass. The chairman of the parliamentary budget committee Eugene Heller said the money would be reallocated to the election from other government programs.



15:35 GMT:

The Ukrainian parliament has voted to oust judges from the country’s constitutional court for violating their oath of office by allowing for the constitution to be amended in 2010. The upper house of the Ukrainian parliament voted overwhelmingly in support of the measure. In September 2010, Ukraine's constitutional court increased the powers of recently ousted President Viktor Yanukovych by reversing a reform introduced in 2004, which limited presidential powers in favor of parliament. The court said the move had been unconstitutional, effectively returning the country to its previous status as a presidential republic. Deputies, however, believe the constitutional court violated its oath of office in doing so.

reply to post by Britguy


Agreed.

A lot of it is being slung (naturally), not you OP, but your sources.

Russia has since denied any deadline or ultimatum has been given, so it's a wait and see thing really isn't it.

thesaneone
reply to post by all2human

 

Didn't his own party vote him out?

Ukrainian president leaves Kiev as parliament votes to remove him from power


EU brokered peace deal signed by the former Ukrainian President

Viktor Yanukovych

Yanukovych's first attempt to become president in 2004 failed when the Ukrainian Supreme Court nullified and ordered a re-run of the initial second-round ballot electing him, which was fraught with allegations of fraud and voter intimidation amid widespread citizen protests and occupation of Kiev's Independence Square in what became known as the Orange Revolution. (See also Ukrainian presidential election, 2004.) Yanukovych lost the court-ordered second 2004 presidential run-off election to Viktor Yushchenko. However, Yanukovych continued to lead his party, the Party of Regions.

Yanukovych served as the governor of Donetsk Oblast from 1997 to 2002. Subsequently he was Prime Minister of Ukraine from 21 November 2002 to 31 December 2004 under President Leonid Kuchma. After the failed 2004 presidential election, Yanukovych served as prime minister for a second time from 4 August 2006 to 18 December 2007 under President Yushchenko. On 3 March 2010, Yanukovych transferred the leadership of the party to Mykola Azarov.[6][7]

November 2013 saw the beginning of a series of events that led to President Yanukovych's removal from office.[8] Yanukovych rejected a pending EU association agreement, choosing instead to pursue a Russian loan bailout and closer ties with Russia. This led to peaceful popular protests and the occupation of Kiev's Independence Square dubbed "Euromaidan" by young pro-European Union Ukrainians. In January 2014 this developed into deadly clashes in Independence Square and in areas across Ukraine, pitting ordinary Ukrainians against Yanukovych's[9] special police units.

Opposition talks with Yanukovych failed in February 2014. Ukraine was on the brink of civil war, as violent clashes led to the deaths and injuries of many people.[10][11] Altogether, at least 77 people were killed in Euromaidan protests, and estimates ranged to over 100 deaths and 1,100 injuries.[12][12] On 22 February 2014, members of parliament found that the president was unable to fulfill his duties, and they set an election for May 25 to select his replacement.[13] He was later disowned by his party.[14]

Ukrainian President’s Allies Start to Abandon Him - Increasingly isolated, Yanukovych could feel he has nothing to lose by lashing out further

The most senior defection, and one of the first, was that of the President’s chief of staff and ally of 15 years, Serhiy Liovochkin, who tendered his resignation in late November, just after the first crackdown of the uprising saw police in Kiev’s Independence Square severely beat dozens of students, who had been holding a peaceful all-night vigil for integration with the European Union. “These acts were the beginning of the current crisis in the country,” Liovochkin wrote in e-mailed remarks to TIME on Feb. 17, on the eve of the latest wave of deadly clashes in Kiev.

Meanwhile, members of the presidential staff continued to defect. The latest one on Thursday afternoon became Yuri Pavlenko, the President’s ombudsman for children’s rights, who wrote in an appeal on his Facebook page that he “categorically condemns the violence from the side of the special forces against peaceful demonstrators, young people, students and children.”

The most painful defections for Yanukovych, however, have come from among the ranks of Ukraine’s powerful oligarchs, the billionaires who have underwritten his political career for a decade. As the U.S. and Europe have moved to impose sanctions against the President’s allies, these titans of industry have released statements chastising the government for failing to pursue the course of dialogue rather than confrontation. “Of course, the voice of big business is important in any country,” Liovochkin, the President’s former chief of staff, wrote in his remarks to TIME on Monday. “Big business is interested in reforms, progress and rapid development of our country,” he said. “During the current crisis these motivations are paramount to all of the representatives of big business you mentioned.”


Read more: Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych's Allies Start Deserting Him | TIME.com world.time.com...

According to this no such ultimatum was given

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Russia has denied it told Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender by 3am or face a military assault. 

And

www.irishtimes.com...

Russia says reports of ultimatum to Ukraine forces ‘nonsense’

Demand to surrender by 3am Irish time reported by Interfax news agency

The interfax agency is tabloid trash, would be like Weekly World News or Examiner

Would be just as believable if Interfax posted

dullumfile.areavoices.com...
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