Should the US intervene in the Ukranian situation?

reply to post by doompornjunkie


Should the US intervene in the Ukranian situation?

NO - The US government should clean up it's own backyard before sticking it's bloody head over the fence and attempting to clean-up the state of it's neighbours backyard - all on behalf of the Banksters and Oil conglomerates.

Or have we forgotten that the only people to suffer will be the innocent and frightened men, women and children.

Pfft.

It would be nice if this thread stayed to a simple Yes or No vote. There are plenty of threads to talk about what is happening and it would be nice to see a long list of simple yes or no answers. In fact it would make the opinions much more powerful. At least put the Yes or the No in the front of the paragraph so we don't have to read the entire thing to get an answer.

Just my two cents (depreciated to .0001 cents)

reply to post by doompornjunkie


I appreciate everyone who has already taken a moment to state their views/knowledge. Keep it coming!

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I actually started it because I was more or less interested in feelings, not so much a yes or no. Yes and No are vague, a reason for a yes or no means its not a 50 50 shot, they have reason for their opinion.

Man no WAY. we're always poking our nose into everyone elses wars and business. I'm flat out TIRED sick and TIRED of the usa running about playing 'nanny' to the world. 'Do as we say or we'll invade you and destroy you cuz you're not like us'.

seriously. this crap needed to stop EONS ago.

Tired of it.

reply to post by doompornjunkie


Well we are bound by treaty to help them. But it is high time the EU step up, not to mention all the other countries who were harmed by Russia. Poland, Georgia, all of em.. Germany and France should step up as well as England it is their back door.

Make no mistake only way putin leaves is if you make him. He took Crimea without firing a shot. No one did anything when he invaded Georgia so he figures no one will now.

He has bitc h slapped Obama and he owns him. That is exactly how it is until Obama puts on his big boy pants.

The Bot

No, but I'm confused.

dlbott
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Well we are bound by treaty to help them. But it is high time the EU step up, not to mention all the other countries who were harmed by Russia. Poland, Georgia, all of em.. Germany and France should step up as well as England it is their back door.

Make no mistake only way putin leaves is if you make him. He took Crimea without firing a shot. No one did anything when he invaded Georgia so he figures no one will now.

He has bitc h slapped Obama and he owns him. That is exactly how it is until Obama puts on his big boy pants.

The Bot

If you are referring to the Budaspest Memorandum, the only other country that would apply to is the UK. Not Germany and such. You do have a good point here though, ditching treaties is dirty business.

reply to post by doompornjunkie


Not directly. We should push for a referendum in the Crimea to see if they ant to separate from the rest of Ukraine If so, fine and dandy.

Its eu problem for not giving the Ukraine president a better deal than russia

No .but they will once the UN turns tail.

We voted these people into office. They made the hard decisions. One such decision was to sign a treaty that made us obligated to come to the defense of the Ukraine. I definitely think we should follow through on our word. Otherwise, we are weak. Its not pretty, but its the way it has to be.

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We have enough to worry on our own turf...*NO*...!

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I don't think we should get involved but the problem is Obama and congress and the Senate think we need to police the globe when we should be minding our own business and worrying about our country first and foremost. Unfortunately that's not how it is. It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Nyiah
Normally, I'd scream & shout "HELL NO!" from the roof tops, but if we are bound by the Budapest Memorandum to come to Ukraine's defense, I see no other option but to do so if needed. To shirk a responsibility like that would be inspiration for others in similar situations to do the same, and would render it an utterly useless empty promise, along with any others that may come up.

If we can stay here & out of their war, that'd be great. But if the Budapest signed-on-the-dotted-line commitment includes to go so far as to put boots on the ground in their defense? Then nothing could be more spineless than skipping out on that promise.

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Let's get real, agreements are meant to be broke. If the constitution means nothing than neither does this agreement. besides Clinton never pinkie swore and had his ankles crossed so it was never official in the first place. We need to stay out.

Nyiah
Normally, I'd scream & shout "HELL NO!" from the roof tops, but if we are bound by the Budapest Memorandum to come to Ukraine's defense, I see no other option but to do so if needed. To shirk a responsibility like that would be inspiration for others in similar situations to do the same, and would render it an utterly useless empty promise, along with any others that may come up.

If we can stay here & out of their war, that'd be great. But if the Budapest signed-on-the-dotted-line commitment includes to go so far as to put boots on the ground in their defense? Then nothing could be more spineless than skipping out on that promise.

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Empty promise ? What about all the empty promises the lawmakers and the president make to our own people , and if its ok to break promises and lie to us it sure is hell ok to do it to some other country that will benefit from our tax money and more importantly our troops lives .

NO

The best thing for Ukraine would be for it to
nationalize it's steel and pipe industry, and kick out
all foreign traitors(shell oil, israel's pipe co., and u.s provocateurs.
Then Ukraine should 'twin' with Iceland.
Foreign mercenaries provoking/exploiting the sovereignty of others
will get no tears when true justice prevails.
Money will NOT win back their lost souls or the crimes they committed.
. . . hillery,blair,shimon,pinchuk,hollande are you listening ? (apparently not)

^devil's idiots^('UN's' permanent 5 should be revised)

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Well they did, it was just not fraught with corruption like the Russian proposal was lol. Of course he chose Russia lol. He was bought and paid for. Did you see his opulent houses, some not finished lol.. Wow talk about corrupt politicians. Lol

We will see if any of our helping Ukraine military helped. If they can step-up.

Come on my Ukrainian friends you can do it. I know you, good people good hearts, strong spirits. You can do this

The Bot

This might be an opportunity for all the soldiers to get off the square and not report for duty.

What are the Worlds Governments to do if they have nobody to command?

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The US should be accountable as Much as Russia for stirring the pot. The US Government has it's hand in supporting and instigating as much as Russia. The EU is just a tool used by the US and Britain in my view. I say the US should show solidarity with Ukraine with regard to allowing it's people to chose it's own path and provide mediation on a diplomatic level. Nothing more and nothing less.