Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

clay2 baraka
reply to post by Catacomb

 

Putin is gambling on a NATO non-response (brinksmanship at its best)..

And he'd be right..unless of course the oil and gas business tell them to attack..

March 1 the day I see "War" headline ?
On the 'March' for the Arch of 'Mars' ?
It's like April Fools but not as funny.

Here's some info to occupy everyone while we wait on "crisis updates"...

Mars

Most of his festivals were held in March, the month named for him (Latin Martius), and in October, which began and ended the season for military campaigning and farming.

In the earliest Roman calendar, March was the first month, and the god would have been born with the new year.[8] Ovid is the only source for the story. He may be presenting a literary myth of his own invention, or an otherwise unknown archaic Italic tradition; either way, in choosing to include the story, he emphasizes that Mars was connected to plant life and was not alienated from female nurture.[9]

Nerio

In ancient Roman religion and myth, Nerio was an ancient war goddess and the personification of valor. She was the partner of Mars in ancient cult practices, and was sometimes identified with the goddess Bellona, and occasionally with the goddess Minerva.

March 1: Mars' dies natalis ("birthday"), a feria also sacred to his mother Juno;[75]

Mamuralia

In ancient Roman religion, the Mamuralia or Sacrum Mamurio ("Rite for Mamurius") was a festival held March 14 or 15, named only in sources from late antiquity.

Because the Roman calendar originally began in March, the Sacrum Mamurio is usually regarded as a ritual marking the transition from the old year to the new.

Gradivus was one of the gods by whom a general or soldiers might swear an oath to be valorous in battle.[88] His temple outside the Porta Capena was where armies gathered. The archaic priesthood of Mars Gradivus was the Salii, the "leaping priests" who danced ritually in armor as a prelude to war.[89] His cult title is most often taken to mean "the Strider" or "the Marching God," from gradus, "step, march."[90]

So "Tears of" Týr,
because this must be something related to the 'Lost Limb' ?
Fenrir
Víðarr

In Norse mythology, Víðarr (Old Norse, possibly "wide ruler",[1] sometimes anglicized as Vidar, Vithar, Vidarr, and Vitharr) is a god among the Æsir associated with vengeance. Víðarr is described as the son of Odin and the jötunn Gríðr, and is foretold to avenge his father's death by killing the wolf Fenrir at Ragnarök, a conflict which he is described as surviving.

"Father Mars" or "Mars the Father" is the form in which the god is invoked in the agricultural prayer of Cato,[100] and he appears with this title in several other literary texts and inscriptions.[101] Mars Pater is among the several gods invoked in the ritual of devotio, by means of which a general sacrificed himself and the lives of the enemy to secure a Roman victory.[102]

Father Mars is the regular recipient of the suovetaurilia, the sacrifice of a pig (sus), ram (ovis) and bull (taurus), or often a bull alone.[103] To Mars Pater other epithets were sometimes appended, such as Mars Pater Victor ("Father Mars the Victorious"),[104] to whom the Roman army sacrificed a bull on March 1.[105]

Father Mars of Victory? That would also be Mother Mary "Victoria".

The Celtic god Loucetios, Latinized as -ius, appears in nine inscriptions in present-day Germany and France and one in Britain, and in three as Leucetius. The Gaulish and Brythonic theonyms likely derive from Proto-Celtic *louk(k)et-, "bright, shining, flashing," hence also "lightning,"[161] alluding to either a Celtic commonplace metaphor between battles and thunderstorms (Old Irish torannchless, the "thunder feat"), or the aura of a divinized hero (the lúan of Cú Chulainn). The name is given as an epithet of Mars. The consort of Mars Loucetius is Nemetona, whose name may be understood as pertaining either to "sacred privilege" or to the sacred grove (nemeton),[162] and who is also identified with the goddess Victory.

Cú Chulainn
There are tons more but this one is really interesting, ya'll should check it out.
Note the similarities and differences between all of these traditions.

I notice some "Mighty Coincidences" going on here...

reply to post by poet1b


Why Russia wants to invade Crimea:

- gas connection of Crimea, which is currently almost dependent on Ukraine forinfrastructure and resources, to Russia;

- neutralizing or taking under Russian control upcoming gas exploration and extraction projects in the Black Sea, which were initiated by Ukraine with the engagement of leading European and American companies;

- depriving Ukraine of access to the major part of the explored offshore gas deposits and prospective hydrocarbon resources in the Black Sea;

- forcing leading American and European oil and gas companies out of the Northern segment of the Black Sea;

- depriving a rump Ukraine without Crimea of the main area for an exclusive economic zone in the Black Sea.

Source: Source

The "Ukraine Situation" Explained In One Map

reply to post by asen_y2k


If this spills over, this is the beginning or WW3. Europe WILL unwillingly but necessarily get dragged in and ultimately so will the US.

Go out on the street! - Klitschko turned to the Ukrainian community in Russia 20:37

I fear his open provocation of the bear! He even called for cancellation of the Kharkiv agreement today. The Kharkiv agreement guarantees the Crimean navy ports for Russia.

Addition-

"Come outside, their positions, do not let destroy their country. Indeed, you can live anywhere and Fatherland - one" - said Klitschko. He also called on Russians living in Ukraine, to call and write to relatives in Russia. "May they also expressed their support for the actions of you and Ukraine as the country in which you live," - said the politician. Klitschko said that Ukraine must not lose its independence and territorial integrity, and today this is largely dependent on the unity of the Ukrainian people.

That's probably why everyone has a deep subconscious "Fear" response.

Because it's the Birthday of Mars the Marred, and they are on the "Martial March".
So therefore programmed "War?!" response in our brain.

Step back and analyze what is happening in your subconscious as a result of these 'etymological pathways' neurologically speaking.

Stop thinking about politics for a minute and think about how we psychologically react to the media's information.

reply to post by asen_y2k


Hi Asen, great thread, what is it like where you are right now? People standing together or total chaos? Is it you in the picture? Take care mate & be safe

reply to post by ImpossibilityOfReason


And so it begins... Hold on to your tin foil hats people.

Honestly though, I think at worst this might turn into be Russia/east Ukraine vs EU/west Ukraine with the US most likely only being in a support role for EU.

Then again, thats what we were doing before WWII, also.

People you have to consider, that Crimea has always been autonomous and less than 1/4 of the people living there are Ukrainians.
60% however are Russian people, the majority there supports the Russian troops and I think Ukraine should hand over Crimea to the Russians.
It is not a big loss for them anyway since they have nothing to say there. Why fight over that?

Where is Russia saying they declare war please? Can you quote that because I don't believe this for one second. I know many of you hoping for WW3 to start as you have been screaming this with every big event in the world but Russia is not that crazy

MrMaybeNot
reply to post by asen_y2k

 

Hi Asen, great thread, what is it like where you are right now? People standing together or total chaos? Is it you in the picture? Take care mate & be safe

Quite the opposite, very calm. All of a sudden the shops, streets got empty after the Russian decleration of military intervention. My wife works at a store here. In the morning it was crowded. She said its surprisingly crowded. But after the decleration, all of a sudden the crowd trickled down to just a few.

jhn7537
The "Ukraine Situation" Explained In One Map

The ukraine has been doing deals with chevron, exxon and other companys. They want to go it alone in the energy business..now the pro russian government is out.. big business move in...the real masters of war.

Why not just cut out all the middle men and ask Putin directly?

Seems like there were some determined to cause Russia trouble regarding the winter Olympics and stories were constantly trying to take away the shine of it all and probably ryined it for many.

Now, we have all of this carry on going off which quite frankly I think is ridiculous and imho theres more to it than meets the eye.

Seems like another case of us all getting played off against each other.

People, citizens of every nation need to open their eyes and realise this.

Those sending military personel into conflicts are never the one's in the firing line. They risk nothing.
It's the personel, the human beings that make up the:-
American troops
British troops
Russian Troops
Chinese troops
North & South Korean troops
French troops
German troops
all of you that are used as pawns.

Those sending see you only as a mere number and that's all thry are to those sending.

How about those sending, those being the leaders and presidents, the politicians and those with their fingers in all the pies do it themselves?

All military personel on all sides are being played and that's a fact.

There's no problem that can't be solved and that's also a fact.

If people believe what I say is bs.......
Then there will be no financial profit, financial gain or contracts secured whether it be via money, oil or gas from any conflict.

reply to post by jhn7537


That makes sense, the real conflict is over those pipelines.

This doesn't explain the rise of Ukraine nationalists. Are they getting a lousy deal over these pipelines? Could these nationalist be puppets of the ICBs?

So US corps are already in the area, trying to buy another piece of the board.

There will not be any US support of putting troops in Ukraine. It isn't going to happen. We the people have gotten screwed by the ICBs, and we are not going to defend their global empire any more.

reply to post by andy1972


Well, wouldn't that be the most profitable course of action for them to take? If they control the oil then they will reap all the profits and will hopefully take them out of heavy debt (as a country)..

jhn7537
reply to post by andy1972

 

Well, wouldn't that be the most profitable course of action for them to take? If they control the oil then they will reap all the profits and will hopefully take them out of heavy debt (as a country)..

Yeah..however, now theyve accepted Russian aid, they've taken a step back from the oil companies and the west...and thats why they had their little coup d'etat last month..pro russia out, pro west oil intrests in..

On TV the polititions are continously talking of Budapest Memorandom and says the west must protect them.

reply to post by asen_y2k


Thanks for keeping us up on the real facts of this atrocity, there's plenty of misinformation on news channels/networks. I cant imagine the stress and worry you and your family and friends must be going through.
Try and stay safe.
My thoughts are with you and yours
Good luck.
BVH.

asen_y2k
On TV the polititions are continously talking of Budapest Memorandom and says the west must protect them.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is an international treaty signed on 5 February 1994 in the Hungarian capital Budapest by Ukraine, the United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom concerning the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine and its security relationship with the signatory countries. According to the memorandum, Russia, the USA, and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would:

Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.