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Detailed info on the infamous Strelok:
hvylya.org...

April 26, 2014 it became known that the actual commander of the so-called Self-Defense Forces of Donetsk National Republic (now also referred to as the Joint Army South- East) is a man named Igor Gunmen ( callsign "Shooter" ) .

Then, April 28, 2014 the Ukrainian Security Service released a statement that " under the anti-terrorist operation SBU counterintelligence SBU established real name officer of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation , which operates under the name of Ukraine Igor Strelkov (call sign "Shooter" ) . "

In a statement, the SBU said that " real name Igor Strelkov - Igor V. Girkin . He is a citizen of the Russian Federation , Colonel. Born December 17, 1970 . Russian passport number : № 4506460961 , registered in Moscow at Shenkursky drive. He is a staff member of the GRU and has repeatedly visited Ukraine with a Russian passport . " According to the SBU , the last time he legally crossed the Ukrainian border February 26 , arriving flight Sheremetyevo Simferopol .

Meanwhile, according to the specified data easily found out the real identity of Girkin rifle , which rotated in Russian military reenactment circles. He certainly did not " GRU colonel ," and presumably is a retired officer or warrant officer (?) FSB of Russia, enthusiastic military reconstruction, and recently the main subject of his hobbies was to participate in the reconstruction of the Volunteer Army / Armed Forces of South Russia in the period 1918-1920 years (sic!). It is known that the arrow - Girkin really really participated in the Crimean events in February - March 2014 , evidenced by his record on social networks.

In early 2010, at a forum reenactors Girkin arrows give such information about their military service:

June 1993 - July 1994 - Emergency Service . in / h MO 11281 defense shooter guard company .

February - December 1995 - in the contract service / h 22033 "X" ( 166th gv.MSBR ) . With 24.031995 on 10.10.1995 - 67th OGSAD , zam.kom platoon commander guns

From August 1996 to July 2000 - a / h 31763
Since July 2000 April 2005 - / h 78576
From April 2005 to present - in / h 36391

Last place of service (w / h 36391 ) - is the Office for Combating International Terrorism 2nd Service of the Russian FSB . However, no information about the military or special education Girkin rifle missing, so it seems , in this c / h , he served in a low rank of the FSB on some support functions . This title is confirmed by the fact that the military renovations Girkin - Gunmen also had the rank of sergeant ( in the reconstruction of the " 75th Marine Infantry Brigade ") or ensign ( in the reconstruction of the " Volunteer Army "). According to available information , some time ago Girkin arrow resigned from the FSB.

Perhaps this is the rare case where the interests identified life and fate of the current , and when people got a rare opportunity to realize their reconstruction literally life. Also revealing are the people with great success " troll " current Ukrainian army and the SBU.

UPDATE: A source told our blog that Girkin arrows at the time he graduated from the FSB some special courses and served in a / h in some FSB officer ranks, but to the colonel he was " definitely not promoted ." Also indicate that Girkin - Gunmen fought as a volunteer in Yugoslavia and in Chechnya as a contract ( in the first war ) . Correspondent of the magazine «Time» Schuster members Donbass polocheniya introduced himself of his commander , " Captain ."

UPDATE: A source told our blog that Girkin arrows at the time he graduated from the FSB some special courses and served in a / h in some FSB officer ranks, but to the colonel he was " definitely not promoted ."

Anonymous blog sources is not journalism, it's clear cut propaganda.

Same could be done with ATS;

"UPDATE: A source told our ATS forum that Girkin is a Klingon that graduated Klingon Empire Intelligence Agency, blah blah blah."

Totally useless.

a reply to: renden

That part is sketchy, I can agree. But as it is stated, last known workplace:

Last place of service (w / h 36391 ) - is the Office for Combating International Terrorism 2nd Service of the Russian FSB . However, no information about the military or special education Girkin rifle missing, so it seems , in this c / h , he served in a low rank of the FSB on some support functions . This title is confirmed by the fact that the military renovations Girkin - Gunmen also had the rank of sergeant ( in the reconstruction of the " 75th Marine Infantry Brigade ") or ensign ( in the reconstruction of the " Volunteer Army "). According to available information , some time ago Girkin arrow resigned from the FSB.

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.

Polls have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.

Putin has created almost a cult theres adds on TV be like Putin they sell hats shirts its all very similar to a certain leader in Germany who i wont go into. But lets just say the influence the NAZIs had on Russia was considerable and thats why the ultra nationalists in Russia have adopted the NAZI style. And even go so far as to use the exact same propaganda. Like hatred of Jews you just used your self blaming them for the evils of the world Hail Putin lol.

lol, ur so silly, go eat some jelly

Look ive been to Russia alot there not Nazis but you cant deny their influence especially in eastern Europe ultra nationalist have adopted the Nazi cults completely. There are Nazis throughout Russia and most of the old soviet bloc countries its a fact. Because they are trying to grab power in Kiev means nothing its expected. They would do the exact same thing in moscow. What is scary is these ultra nationalists are indeed gaining power in Russia. Partly because there usefull for Putin at the moment. However you have to be careful when you play with the devil he could easily lose control of them if hes not careful.

Alright, when have you been to Russia, where, how many Nazis are in Russia, where are they gaining power?

Feel free to start another thread and put it all that together so there won't be offtopic here. Otherwise, it's all just noise.

You have the internet use it but ill start you on the right track.Notice real closely how there party platform mimics Putins in almost every respect.

en.wikipedia.org...

That answers absolutely nothing. You are just trolling now. The link you gave is for some completely unrelated "National Bolshevism" Eurasia Party nobody ever heard of. Totally offtopic.

So if you have been to Russia, where, when, and make sure to tell us all about Russian Nazis you know, in another thread. If you can't, then you're just full of it.

Well i have relatives Tver that was my last visit but its not really relevant to our discussion.But thousands of Ultra nationalists marching in leningrad and moscow is. Just because you never heard of something doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Something tells me theres alot you havnt heard of as i said you havre the internet look into the ultra nationalist parties in Russia. As i said i dont claim Russia is NAZIS you started a straw man argument there. What i said is Putin is playing a dangerous game with them because there convenient and have alot of similar goals to him.

I don't know what any of that means. There are all kinds of ultra right and nationalists parties all over the world, including USA, White Power all over the place, but that doesn't mean that the official government and the people approve of such tiny minority.

Stating that KGB man Putin has the same goals as Nazis is completely asinine. It's like saying that CIA Republicans have the goals of Lenin Communists. Two completely, entirely opposite things, and if you insist of attempting to flip the opposites, then you got a clear NWO agenda, it's the same old, well known Zionist trick.

Well you finally get the point i was making took you long enough. So a small group of individuals marching on the streets of Kiev doesnt mean the government in NAZIs. Im impressed i didnt think you were going to make the connection. I told you you keep pointing out stuff in Kiev but didnt bother to look at the rest of the story. So now that we established that Kievs government being NAZIs is the same as claiming NAZIS run any other country they hold rallies is is stupid maybe next will work on what a Junta is since you seem to not get that either.

here is proof for you that refuse to see. this is straight from the mouth of the American Victoria Nuland admitting on cnn(your media preference in this thread for accuracy)that America financed and planned the coup in Ukraine. she admitted this was all started by America. the title is a hoax. but I don't believe it matters as was pointed out to me yesterday. as long as your towing the line, there is no ignorance. hahahaha
www.informationclearinghouse.info...

on a side note about the Paul Craig Roberts article a few pages back on this thread, it was not first released yesterday. it is from Friday. I also see where everyone talked about the Russian planes entering Ukraine airspace and heck, probably a couple pages of people talking about that nonsense. you do realize it never happened, right? but no one put up the retraction of that story on here. I wonder why? also how convenient of the government and media to tell lies about this situation, only to retract it a day later. but keep the retraction to a murmur while most never see it and continue to believe the first lies as accurate. how sick! it was ny times that retracted this story.

then there is also this. everyone claiming Russian troops in Ukraine. it is a flat out lie, and should be a hoax as well. the story was false and admitted as such. for being informative this thread sure is missing a lot of the real story.www.presstv.ir... ing-russia-forces/

I am sorry if most of this has been pointed out and corrected. just tired of the lies and games. honesty by both sides is what we need to avoid a really nasty conflict. so far one side is pushing the propaganda really hard as if looking for a fight. in this day and age of communication for all the people of the world, this is unacceptable. but what better way to keep the people down than to disrupt and destroy their means of communicating. this may keep the world semi peaceful as people are able to work things out in communication never before possible. instead of going all out into war, we are able to discern how the people in the other parts of the world feel, not their government. and what really matters here, the governments or the people? people are almost at a place to go around the governments and work things out for themselves via internet and open dialogues. why would anyone want to stop that before it really becomes a reality?

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.

Polls have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.

Putin has created almost a cult theres adds on TV be like Putin they sell hats shirts its all very similar to a certain leader in Germany who i wont go into. But lets just say the influence the NAZIs had on Russia was considerable and thats why the ultra nationalists in Russia have adopted the NAZI style. And even go so far as to use the exact same propaganda. Like hatred of Jews you just used your self blaming them for the evils of the world Hail Putin lol.

lol, ur so silly, go eat some jelly

Look ive been to Russia alot there not Nazis but you cant deny their influence especially in eastern Europe ultra nationalist have adopted the Nazi cults completely. There are Nazis throughout Russia and most of the old soviet bloc countries its a fact. Because they are trying to grab power in Kiev means nothing its expected. They would do the exact same thing in moscow. What is scary is these ultra nationalists are indeed gaining power in Russia. Partly because there usefull for Putin at the moment. However you have to be careful when you play with the devil he could easily lose control of them if hes not careful.

Alright, when have you been to Russia, where, how many Nazis are in Russia, where are they gaining power?

Feel free to start another thread and put it all that together so there won't be offtopic here. Otherwise, it's all just noise.

You have the internet use it but ill start you on the right track.Notice real closely how there party platform mimics Putins in almost every respect.

en.wikipedia.org...

That answers absolutely nothing. You are just trolling now. The link you gave is for some completely unrelated "National Bolshevism" Eurasia Party nobody ever heard of. Totally offtopic.

So if you have been to Russia, where, when, and make sure to tell us all about Russian Nazis you know, in another thread. If you can't, then you're just full of it.

Well i have relatives Tver that was my last visit but its not really relevant to our discussion.But thousands of Ultra nationalists marching in leningrad and moscow is. Just because you never heard of something doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Something tells me theres alot you havnt heard of as i said you havre the internet look into the ultra nationalist parties in Russia. As i said i dont claim Russia is NAZIS you started a straw man argument there. What i said is Putin is playing a dangerous game with them because there convenient and have alot of similar goals to him.

I don't know what any of that means. There are all kinds of ultra right and nationalists parties all over the world, including USA, White Power all over the place, but that doesn't mean that the official government and the people approve of such tiny minority.

Stating that KGB man Putin has the same goals as Nazis is completely asinine. It's like saying that CIA Republicans have the goals of Lenin Communists. Two completely, entirely opposite things, and if you insist of attempting to flip the opposites, then you got a clear NWO agenda, it's the same old, well known Zionist trick.

Well you finally get the point i was making took you long enough. So a small group of individuals marching on the streets of Kiev doesnt mean the government in NAZIs. Im impressed i didnt think you were going to make the connection. I told you you keep pointing out stuff in Kiev but didnt bother to look at the rest of the story. So now that we established that Kievs government being NAZIs is the same as claiming NAZIS run any other country they hold rallies is is stupid maybe next will work on what a Junta is since you seem to not get that either.

Dude, in Kiev Nazis run the government, which part of that are you attempting to ignore? Right Sector are armed, Nazi thugs legalized into a National Guard, who are running around the country killing people.

It;s like if White Power were to take the White House by armed coup, then formed their own "White Power Guard" and drove around the country killing all non whites on sight.

If you are attempting to say that Right Sector Nazi thugs are not the ruling power in Kiev, then you are completely full of crap.

originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: renden

That part is sketchy, I can agree. But as it is stated, last known workplace:

Last place of service (w / h 36391 ) - is the Office for Combating International Terrorism 2nd Service of the Russian FSB . However, no information about the military or special education Girkin rifle missing, so it seems , in this c / h , he served in a low rank of the FSB on some support functions . This title is confirmed by the fact that the military renovations Girkin - Gunmen also had the rank of sergeant ( in the reconstruction of the " 75th Marine Infantry Brigade ") or ensign ( in the reconstruction of the " Volunteer Army "). According to available information , some time ago Girkin arrow resigned from the FSB.

I ran a search for the guys name, and this is the first thing that popped up;

www.yaplakal.com...

The dude Ukrainian government is saying some super secret FSB agent that runs the entire operation in Ukraine for the Russians, is a well known war reenactment enthusiast...

He got pictures and video interviews all over the place, not exactly a good cover for Kremlins secret agent...

p.s. I'm surprised it took SBU that long to find him, he's literally all over the net.

originally posted by: Dutzy
Detailed info on the infamous Strelok:
hvylya.org...

April 26, 2014 it became known that the actual commander of the so-called Self-Defense Forces of Donetsk National Republic (now also referred to as the Joint Army South- East) is a man named Igor Gunmen ( callsign "Shooter" ) .

Then, April 28, 2014 the Ukrainian Security Service released a statement that " under the anti-terrorist operation SBU counterintelligence SBU established real name officer of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation , which operates under the name of Ukraine Igor Strelkov (call sign "Shooter" ) . "

In a statement, the SBU said that " real name Igor Strelkov - Igor V. Girkin . He is a citizen of the Russian Federation , Colonel. Born December 17, 1970 . Russian passport number : № 4506460961 , registered in Moscow at Shenkursky drive. He is a staff member of the GRU and has repeatedly visited Ukraine with a Russian passport . " According to the SBU , the last time he legally crossed the Ukrainian border February 26 , arriving flight Sheremetyevo Simferopol .

Meanwhile, according to the specified data easily found out the real identity of Girkin rifle , which rotated in Russian military reenactment circles. He certainly did not " GRU colonel ," and presumably is a retired officer or warrant officer (?) FSB of Russia, enthusiastic military reconstruction, and recently the main subject of his hobbies was to participate in the reconstruction of the Volunteer Army / Armed Forces of South Russia in the period 1918-1920 years (sic!). It is known that the arrow - Girkin really really participated in the Crimean events in February - March 2014 , evidenced by his record on social networks.

In early 2010, at a forum reenactors Girkin arrows give such information about their military service:

June 1993 - July 1994 - Emergency Service . in / h MO 11281 defense shooter guard company .

February - December 1995 - in the contract service / h 22033 "X" ( 166th gv.MSBR ) . With 24.031995 on 10.10.1995 - 67th OGSAD , zam.kom platoon commander guns

From August 1996 to July 2000 - a / h 31763
Since July 2000 April 2005 - / h 78576
From April 2005 to present - in / h 36391

Last place of service (w / h 36391 ) - is the Office for Combating International Terrorism 2nd Service of the Russian FSB . However, no information about the military or special education Girkin rifle missing, so it seems , in this c / h , he served in a low rank of the FSB on some support functions . This title is confirmed by the fact that the military renovations Girkin - Gunmen also had the rank of sergeant ( in the reconstruction of the " 75th Marine Infantry Brigade ") or ensign ( in the reconstruction of the " Volunteer Army "). According to available information , some time ago Girkin arrow resigned from the FSB.

Perhaps this is the rare case where the interests identified life and fate of the current , and when people got a rare opportunity to realize their reconstruction literally life. Also revealing are the people with great success " troll " current Ukrainian army and the SBU.

UPDATE: A source told our blog that Girkin arrows at the time he graduated from the FSB some special courses and served in a / h in some FSB officer ranks, but to the colonel he was " definitely not promoted ." Also indicate that Girkin - Gunmen fought as a volunteer in Yugoslavia and in Chechnya as a contract ( in the first war ) . Correspondent of the magazine «Time» Schuster members Donbass polocheniya introduced himself of his commander , " Captain ."

So according to the Ukrainian government, Strelkov works for the Russian equivalent of Blackwater, presumably on contract by the Russian government, (someone's paying for their APC's)..

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.

Polls have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.

Putin has created almost a cult theres adds on TV be like Putin they sell hats shirts its all very similar to a certain leader in Germany who i wont go into. But lets just say the influence the NAZIs had on Russia was considerable and thats why the ultra nationalists in Russia have adopted the NAZI style. And even go so far as to use the exact same propaganda. Like hatred of Jews you just used your self blaming them for the evils of the world Hail Putin lol.

lol, ur so silly, go eat some jelly

Look ive been to Russia alot there not Nazis but you cant deny their influence especially in eastern Europe ultra nationalist have adopted the Nazi cults completely. There are Nazis throughout Russia and most of the old soviet bloc countries its a fact. Because they are trying to grab power in Kiev means nothing its expected. They would do the exact same thing in moscow. What is scary is these ultra nationalists are indeed gaining power in Russia. Partly because there usefull for Putin at the moment. However you have to be careful when you play with the devil he could easily lose control of them if hes not careful.

Alright, when have you been to Russia, where, how many Nazis are in Russia, where are they gaining power?

Feel free to start another thread and put it all that together so there won't be offtopic here. Otherwise, it's all just noise.

You have the internet use it but ill start you on the right track.Notice real closely how there party platform mimics Putins in almost every respect.

en.wikipedia.org...

That answers absolutely nothing. You are just trolling now. The link you gave is for some completely unrelated "National Bolshevism" Eurasia Party nobody ever heard of. Totally offtopic.

So if you have been to Russia, where, when, and make sure to tell us all about Russian Nazis you know, in another thread. If you can't, then you're just full of it.

Well i have relatives Tver that was my last visit but its not really relevant to our discussion.But thousands of Ultra nationalists marching in leningrad and moscow is. Just because you never heard of something doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Something tells me theres alot you havnt heard of as i said you havre the internet look into the ultra nationalist parties in Russia. As i said i dont claim Russia is NAZIS you started a straw man argument there. What i said is Putin is playing a dangerous game with them because there convenient and have alot of similar goals to him.

I don't know what any of that means. There are all kinds of ultra right and nationalists parties all over the world, including USA, White Power all over the place, but that doesn't mean that the official government and the people approve of such tiny minority.

Stating that KGB man Putin has the same goals as Nazis is completely asinine. It's like saying that CIA Republicans have the goals of Lenin Communists. Two completely, entirely opposite things, and if you insist of attempting to flip the opposites, then you got a clear NWO agenda, it's the same old, well known Zionist trick.

Well you finally get the point i was making took you long enough. So a small group of individuals marching on the streets of Kiev doesnt mean the government in NAZIs. Im impressed i didnt think you were going to make the connection. I told you you keep pointing out stuff in Kiev but didnt bother to look at the rest of the story. So now that we established that Kievs government being NAZIs is the same as claiming NAZIS run any other country they hold rallies is is stupid maybe next will work on what a Junta is since you seem to not get that either.

Dude, in Kiev Nazis run the government, which part of that are you attempting to ignore? Right Sector are armed, Nazi thugs legalized into a National Guard, who are running around the country killing people.

It;s like if White Power were to take the White House by armed coup, then formed their own "White Power Guard" and drove around the country killing all non whites on sight.

If you are attempting to say that Right Sector Nazi thugs are not the ruling power in Kiev, then you are completely full of crap.

Ok ill excuse it because you may be from another country but in the US Neo Nazis do indeed form militias. As far as Kiev this group is as musch a threat to them as they are to Pro Russians this is obvious when they stormed there parliament a couple of days ago. As to them being armed i wonder why Ultra Nationalists sees a foreign country namely Russia sending troops into Ukraine. Really is it all that surprising Ultran Nationalists are going to fight i mean come on. If the US was invaded guarantee the NEO Nazi nut jobs would be joining the military to fight.

Look at the circumstances and stop trying to filter the world with propaganda. Unless your just to far gone in that case Hail Putin.

LIVESTREAM from Lugansk:
www.ustream.tv...

m.ustream.tv...

Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR
BREAKING: At least 30 ppl with machine guns are trying to seize more govt buildings in #Luhansk

Pro-Russians in #Ukraine's Lugansk take prosecutor's office, now storming police station. Ukr President accuses east police of 'treason'@AFP

originally posted by: clay2 baraka

originally posted by: Dutzy
Detailed info on the infamous Strelok:
hvylya.org...

April 26, 2014 it became known that the actual commander of the so-called Self-Defense Forces of Donetsk National Republic (now also referred to as the Joint Army South- East) is a man named Igor Gunmen ( callsign "Shooter" ) .

Then, April 28, 2014 the Ukrainian Security Service released a statement that " under the anti-terrorist operation SBU counterintelligence SBU established real name officer of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation , which operates under the name of Ukraine Igor Strelkov (call sign "Shooter" ) . "

In a statement, the SBU said that " real name Igor Strelkov - Igor V. Girkin . He is a citizen of the Russian Federation , Colonel. Born December 17, 1970 . Russian passport number : № 4506460961 , registered in Moscow at Shenkursky drive. He is a staff member of the GRU and has repeatedly visited Ukraine with a Russian passport . " According to the SBU , the last time he legally crossed the Ukrainian border February 26 , arriving flight Sheremetyevo Simferopol .

Meanwhile, according to the specified data easily found out the real identity of Girkin rifle , which rotated in Russian military reenactment circles. He certainly did not " GRU colonel ," and presumably is a retired officer or warrant officer (?) FSB of Russia, enthusiastic military reconstruction, and recently the main subject of his hobbies was to participate in the reconstruction of the Volunteer Army / Armed Forces of South Russia in the period 1918-1920 years (sic!). It is known that the arrow - Girkin really really participated in the Crimean events in February - March 2014 , evidenced by his record on social networks.

In early 2010, at a forum reenactors Girkin arrows give such information about their military service:

June 1993 - July 1994 - Emergency Service . in / h MO 11281 defense shooter guard company .

February - December 1995 - in the contract service / h 22033 "X" ( 166th gv.MSBR ) . With 24.031995 on 10.10.1995 - 67th OGSAD , zam.kom platoon commander guns

From August 1996 to July 2000 - a / h 31763
Since July 2000 April 2005 - / h 78576
From April 2005 to present - in / h 36391

Last place of service (w / h 36391 ) - is the Office for Combating International Terrorism 2nd Service of the Russian FSB . However, no information about the military or special education Girkin rifle missing, so it seems , in this c / h , he served in a low rank of the FSB on some support functions . This title is confirmed by the fact that the military renovations Girkin - Gunmen also had the rank of sergeant ( in the reconstruction of the " 75th Marine Infantry Brigade ") or ensign ( in the reconstruction of the " Volunteer Army "). According to available information , some time ago Girkin arrow resigned from the FSB.

Perhaps this is the rare case where the interests identified life and fate of the current , and when people got a rare opportunity to realize their reconstruction literally life. Also revealing are the people with great success " troll " current Ukrainian army and the SBU.

UPDATE: A source told our blog that Girkin arrows at the time he graduated from the FSB some special courses and served in a / h in some FSB officer ranks, but to the colonel he was " definitely not promoted ." Also indicate that Girkin - Gunmen fought as a volunteer in Yugoslavia and in Chechnya as a contract ( in the first war ) . Correspondent of the magazine «Time» Schuster members Donbass polocheniya introduced himself of his commander , " Captain ."

So according to the Ukrainian government, Strelkov works for the Russian equivalent of Blackwater, presumably on contract by the Russian government, (someone's paying for their APC's)..

LOL! It's better, all information apparently comes from this forum;

shgid.fmbb.ru...

It's this guys self bio, which he, as a super secret FSB agent wrote about him self on a public forum LOL!

I can't wait for Boris and Natasha to pop up next

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.

Polls have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.

Putin has created almost a cult theres adds on TV be like Putin they sell hats shirts its all very similar to a certain leader in Germany who i wont go into. But lets just say the influence the NAZIs had on Russia was considerable and thats why the ultra nationalists in Russia have adopted the NAZI style. And even go so far as to use the exact same propaganda. Like hatred of Jews you just used your self blaming them for the evils of the world Hail Putin lol.

lol, ur so silly, go eat some jelly

Look ive been to Russia alot there not Nazis but you cant deny their influence especially in eastern Europe ultra nationalist have adopted the Nazi cults completely. There are Nazis throughout Russia and most of the old soviet bloc countries its a fact. Because they are trying to grab power in Kiev means nothing its expected. They would do the exact same thing in moscow. What is scary is these ultra nationalists are indeed gaining power in Russia. Partly because there usefull for Putin at the moment. However you have to be careful when you play with the devil he could easily lose control of them if hes not careful.

Alright, when have you been to Russia, where, how many Nazis are in Russia, where are they gaining power?

Feel free to start another thread and put it all that together so there won't be offtopic here. Otherwise, it's all just noise.

You have the internet use it but ill start you on the right track.Notice real closely how there party platform mimics Putins in almost every respect.

en.wikipedia.org...

That answers absolutely nothing. You are just trolling now. The link you gave is for some completely unrelated "National Bolshevism" Eurasia Party nobody ever heard of. Totally offtopic.

So if you have been to Russia, where, when, and make sure to tell us all about Russian Nazis you know, in another thread. If you can't, then you're just full of it.

Well i have relatives Tver that was my last visit but its not really relevant to our discussion.But thousands of Ultra nationalists marching in leningrad and moscow is. Just because you never heard of something doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Something tells me theres alot you havnt heard of as i said you havre the internet look into the ultra nationalist parties in Russia. As i said i dont claim Russia is NAZIS you started a straw man argument there. What i said is Putin is playing a dangerous game with them because there convenient and have alot of similar goals to him.

I don't know what any of that means. There are all kinds of ultra right and nationalists parties all over the world, including USA, White Power all over the place, but that doesn't mean that the official government and the people approve of such tiny minority.

Stating that KGB man Putin has the same goals as Nazis is completely asinine. It's like saying that CIA Republicans have the goals of Lenin Communists. Two completely, entirely opposite things, and if you insist of attempting to flip the opposites, then you got a clear NWO agenda, it's the same old, well known Zionist trick.

Well you finally get the point i was making took you long enough. So a small group of individuals marching on the streets of Kiev doesnt mean the government in NAZIs. Im impressed i didnt think you were going to make the connection. I told you you keep pointing out stuff in Kiev but didnt bother to look at the rest of the story. So now that we established that Kievs government being NAZIs is the same as claiming NAZIS run any other country they hold rallies is is stupid maybe next will work on what a Junta is since you seem to not get that either.

Dude, in Kiev Nazis run the government, which part of that are you attempting to ignore? Right Sector are armed, Nazi thugs legalized into a National Guard, who are running around the country killing people.

It;s like if White Power were to take the White House by armed coup, then formed their own "White Power Guard" and drove around the country killing all non whites on sight.

If you are attempting to say that Right Sector Nazi thugs are not the ruling power in Kiev, then you are completely full of crap.

Ok ill excuse it because you may be from another country but in the US Neo Nazis do indeed form militias. As far as Kiev this group is as musch a threat to them as they are to Pro Russians this is obvious when they stormed there parliament a couple of days ago. As to them being armed i wonder why Ultra Nationalists sees a foreign country namely Russia sending troops into Ukraine. Really is it all that surprising Ultran Nationalists are going to fight i mean come on. If the US was invaded guarantee the NEO Nazi nut jobs would be joining the military to fight.

Look at the circumstances and stop trying to filter the world with propaganda. Unless your just to far gone in that case Hail Putin.

Buddy, excuse your self, because in Oregon we know perfectly well what a well organized militia is.

Fact is, as per OFFICIAL Government decree, WWII Victory Parade in Ukraine has been canceled, while Nazi Marches are to be held instead.

Go figure that out, because if that's not Nazis running Kiev, I don't know what it.

Pictures and videos of Nazis marching on the streets of Kiev have been shown over and over again, If you want to open up a different thread and deny their authenticity go ahead, but I'm through discussing it here, because to me such video evidence is a FACT, and trying to disprove it here is offtopic.

pressimus.com...

Ukrainska Pravda's economic section reports that the owners of a factory in the town of Stakhanov, in the Luhansk region, have forbidden their workers to vote in the May 25 presidential elections:

At a general staff metting the management of the Stakhanov Railway Car Building Works (a joint stock company) have announced at a ban on voting in the Ukrainian presidential elections.

Ekonomicheskaya Pravda was told of this by an employee at the factory.

According to him, workers were warned that, if they voted, they would be fired from their jobs. He also said that such meetings have been held at other companies in Stakhanov.

"The initiators of the voting ban are allegedly colluding with regional leaders" said the source.

Ukrainska Pravda notes that the factory's exports are dominated by former Soviet states, most of which, bar the Baltic states, are likely to be influenced by Russia's position. At the moment, the plant is only open two days a week due to a lack of orders. Stakhanov Railway Car Building Works is, according to Forbes Ukraine, owned by the billionaire Konstantin Zhevago. The paper notes that Zhevago is the main beneficiary of Ferrexpo, a leading iron ore company.

originally posted by: Dutzy
pressimus.com...

Ukrainska Pravda's economic section reports that the owners of a factory in the town of Stakhanov, in the Luhansk region, have forbidden their workers to vote in the May 25 presidential elections:

At a general staff metting the management of the Stakhanov Railway Car Building Works (a joint stock company) have announced at a ban on voting in the Ukrainian presidential elections.

Ekonomicheskaya Pravda was told of this by an employee at the factory.

According to him, workers were warned that, if they voted, they would be fired from their jobs. He also said that such meetings have been held at other companies in Stakhanov.

"The initiators of the voting ban are allegedly colluding with regional leaders" said the source.

Ukrainska Pravda notes that the factory's exports are dominated by former Soviet states, most of which, bar the Baltic states, are likely to be influenced by Russia's position. At the moment, the plant is only open two days a week due to a lack of orders. Stakhanov Railway Car Building Works is, according to Forbes Ukraine, owned by the billionaire Konstantin Zhevago. The paper notes that Zhevago is the main beneficiary of Ferrexpo, a leading iron ore company.

Odd that they would do that it doesnt change the vote. We saw that in Crimea with the tatars refusal to vote still happened and was still leal at least according to the Russians. Seems to me they would want to push a pro moscow candidate. Because with the UN monitoring the elections no point in trying to claim its illegitimate. These people keep making really bad decisions one after the other. I read an article which kind of explains it though they were saying a large portion of there support is teenagers and we all know they dont plan very well.

Can somebody tell me, why the vice-president of USA, on the last visit to Ukraine, was sitting in the chair of the President of Ukraine????

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originally posted by: renden
Can somebody tell me, why the vice-president of USA, on the last visit to Ukraine, was sitting in the chair of the President of Ukraine????

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My first response would be its Joe Biden thats why Obama has no fear of assassination who wants to put Biden in charge. However in reality thats probably the way the Ukrainians sat up the meeting but never hurts to get a crack in on old Joe lol.

A Pro-Russian Mayer of Ukraines second larges city was shot in the back by a sniper.

(Reuters) - The mayor of Ukraine's second biggest city was shot in the back on Monday, the highest profile assassination attempt in eastern Ukraine since a standoff between Moscow and Kiev began two months ago.

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Here:

Ukraine presidential candidates attacked in Kiev

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Right after the assassination attempt on Kernes, he withdrew from the elections;

Tsariov announces boycott of elections and withdraws from presidential race
KYIV, April 29 /Ukrinform/. Former Party of Regions MP Oleh Tsariov withdraws his candidacy from the presidential elections in Ukraine.

www.ukrinform.ua...

Interesting, so that's how democracy really works.

American vice-president gets to sit in Ukrains presidential chair while actual presidential candidates get beaten up and forced out of elections, pro-Russian mayors get shot in the back, and WWII Victory Parade get cancelled.

Nice.