Russian Federation Council Agrees to Putin's Request for military intervention in Crimea

MessageforAll
reply to post by DJW001

 

Interesting, why do you think that? Sincere question.

In order to invade Ukraine, Russia will need to move its most experienced troops from elsewhere, leaving Russia's vast border undefended. If you were a Russian general, would you trust the Chinese not to invade Siberia? Would you trust Poland not to seize Kaliningrad? If Sevastopol is blockaded and Ukraine destroys the airports that Russia's advance troops now command, Russia would be forced into a purely land based invasion, allowing Ukraine to harass and eventually destroy the Russian army's lines of communication. Given the well known lack of discipline and low morale of the Russian army, a mutiny would occur in a matter of weeks. Putin might as well resign now.

reply to post by DJW001


I see, that's a possibility I guess, don't you think the Top brass of Russia wants to restore the old USSR?

reply to post by Catacomb


So you're claiming Russia instigated the coup in Ukraine, and not the US and EU then?

Which is completely astoundingly wrong to say of course, considering Ukraine was already siding with Russia, going against the EU, despite Ukraine having dangled a lucrative and strategic carrot towards the EU for some time!

Would the USA invade anywhere or anyone who was making overtures towards making an alliance with the USA?

Of course not...same thing applies to Russia and Ukraine.

The rest of my post still applies, the EU is encroaching on Russian borders - ex-Soviet state by ex-soviet state...this time it's strategically important Ukraine, literally bordering Russia proper.

With Romania, bulgaria and Poland under the EU umbrella, anyone can clearly see what is happening along every border with Russia...the Iron curtain that will inevitably rise along this new 'mega-EU border with Russia, will dwarf the previous curtain, in size, scope and implication for world security.

You think it's a coincidence that Ukraine is suddenly in turmoil as soon as the EU is told to take a hike and the deal is off with Ukraine joining the EU, but you somehow think this is a Russian land grab?

That's ridiculous.

MessageforAll
reply to post by DJW001

 

I see, that's a possibility I guess, don't you think the Top brass of Russia wants to restore the old USSR?

Absolutely. But not at the cost of losing what they still have. If Putin were as smart as he wants people to believe he is, he could have gotten Ukraine to cede Sevastopol without firing a shot. Instead, he got greedy and will soon have a refugee crisis on his hands as Russian speaking Ukrainians flee north!

reply to post by MessageforAll


It is not just the simple fact that they put boots on the ground, but the fact that the troops they sent were not wearing their national colours, which is a VERY shady way to work no matter which way you slice it.

Personally, I do not think it would be nearly as bad if the Russians had shown that they were serious enough to actually put their flag on this cluster copulation.

MysterX
You think it's a coincidence that Ukraine is suddenly in turmoil as soon as the EU is told to take a hike and the deal is off with Ukraine joining the EU, but you somehow think this is a Russian land grab?

That's ridiculous.

Im not the only one thinking it's strange that after they accept a 15 billion bailout from the Russians and give the EU and NATO the finger, three weeks later all hell breaks loose and the pro Russian government is ousted..ummm, strange.

Putin knows that America is weak. Syria showed him that the Obama administration was going to do nothing militarily. It emboldened him, to do whatever he wanted to do with the Ukraine. End of story.

This is when the tables turned i entirely agree.
This is disgusting ... I hope the world see's what Putin really is.

#dirtygangster

Okay, so I'm not a politically minded person when it comes to politics. However I have some knowledge of what is going on here and why I feel what the Russians are doing is between wrong and wright.

Before Obama's speech I learn't that Russian Special Forces were already on the ground in Crimea, Simferopol closing commercial airspace, blockading roads, access routes and borders. Then around 9pm GMT unmarked troops invaded a parliament building.

All this on Ukrainian sovereign soil.

Russia had already put boots on the ground before Obama spoke. Intervention was Russia's game plan all along.

As far as I'm concerned Russia does have the right to protect it's assets however restricting Ukrainian airspace and putting boots down on sovereign soil is classed as an ACT OF WAR!.

She may defend herself against foreign intervention if it's not been agreed.

If it was in Russia's best interest to protect it's citizens residing in Ukraine, then like the UK did should have warned their citizens to leave Ukraine and opened it's borders/or not to travel to Ukraine during diplomatic disputes, as oposed of sending in the troops causing more civil unrest and war.

reply to post by MysterX


A very good answer. West is to blame for expanding NATO to Russia's do orstep. Don't expect Russia to back down. They have very sick of broken promises.

TrueBrit
reply to post by MessageforAll

 

It is not just the simple fact that they put boots on the ground, but the fact that the troops they sent were not wearing their national colours, which is a VERY shady way to work no matter which way you slice it.

Personally, I do not think it would be nearly as bad if the Russians had shown that they were serious enough to actually put their flag on this cluster copulation.

The sad irony is that by not wearing their colors, the Russian troops are not protected by the Geneva Convention. Technically, they are "Partisans" and can be imprisoned, tortured and executed. That will do wonders for Russian morale!

andy1972

MysterX
You think it's a coincidence that Ukraine is suddenly in turmoil as soon as the EU is told to take a hike and the deal is off with Ukraine joining the EU, but you somehow think this is a Russian land grab?

That's ridiculous.

Im not the only one thinking it's strange that after they accept a 15 billion bailout from the Russians and give the EU and NATO the finger, three weeks later all hell breaks loose and the pro Russian government is ousted..ummm, strange.

edit on AM6Sat20141972 by andy1972 because: (no reason given)

But that is what i'm saying...it is no coincidence.

I'm also saying, in answer to the insituation that Russia is behind the Coup (made by a previous poster) that is ridiculous, as Ukraine was going to side with Russia, and as you say give the EU the finger.

Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes here...it looks like we're in agreement on the US/EU instigating this turmoil and coup for strategic primarilly, and financial gain..doesn't it?

where is the 6th fleet?
It should be heading to the Black Sea!

Ukraine Acting President Calls Emergncy Meeting Of Security Chiefs; Russia Threatens To Cut Off The Gas
www.zerohedge.com...

All the dominoes are tumbling now. Moments after the Russian upper house of parliament approved the decision to use Russian troops in the Ukraine as expected, Ukraine's acting president called an emergency meeting of security chiefs according to his spokeswoman. Oleksander Turchinov summoned his Security Council after Russian President Vladimir Putin sought parliamentary approval to deploy Russian forces in the Ukrainian region of Crimea. At this point the biggest and perhaps final wildcard is whether NATO does or does not get involved. If it does, and if Russia does not back off - which it has clearly telegraphed it won't - futures may be looking at a limit down open on Sunday.

reply to post by deviant300


Plenty of occasions throughout the 20th century and up to modern times where Western nations have done exactly the same thing...send in troops, or boot on the ground under the auspices of protecting it's nationals living in foreign and sovereign nations.

The US and the UK are among them.

We have also blocaded nations when it politically suited us too.

There's been enough hypocrisy in this debacle already, now should be the time for calmer rhetoric and placating gestures from all 'interested parties', not more mud for the waters.

The solution, at least the least bloody and globally dangerous solution, is probably going to be Ukranian partitioning, along an West - East axis...i'd be very surprised if this hasn't been the planned for outcome for Ukraine for a long time.

andy1972
Asking for boots on the ground and actually INVADING, to stabilise the situacion are two different things.
He' asking for the power to do it..

IF you actual noticed there are already boots on the ground......and APC.......and tanks........and artillary......and helcopters......and fighter jets.........and corvettes blocking ports......and marines......and special forces


Buts its not a invasion

deviant300

US President Barack Obama has warned Russia there will be "costs" for any military intervention in Ukraine.

The cost will be Obama and the USA looking like even more of the usless lemons they seem to be


Best thing the USA could try and do is broker a deal.

Ukraine cedes Crimea to Russia (after a refreremdum in the crimea is done) and Ukraine gets it debts cancelled.

reply to post by crazyewok


It wasn't an invasion during Vietman either...more a police action.

Let's be honest, international politicing and strategic wrangling are an absolutely filthy Human endeavour...for every finger pointed at one nation, however justified that may be, at least one more can equally be pointed at the accuser.

It's a shame the people caught up in the middle are always given the middle finger every-single-time.

The Road to Moscow Goes Through Kiev: A Coup d’Etat That Threatens Russia

Here we go again...the slow NAZIS on the march: NATO!

The takeover of power in Kiev by the mainstream opposition is a coup that has been executed by force, which overlooks the opinions of at least half of the Ukrainian population. Yet, you would not know this from listening to such media outlets and networks as CNN or Fox News or reading the headlines being produced by Reuters and the state-owned British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). The events in Kiev are misleadingly being billed and framed by these media sources and the so-called “Western” governments they support, either directly or indirectly, as the triumph of people power and democracy in Ukraine.

Utter hypocrisy is at work. When similar protests and riots broke out in Britain and France, the positions taken and the tones used by the above actors was very different. These actors framed the protests and riots in Britain and France as issues of law and order, using language very favourable to the British and French governments. Where were the statements of concern about the rights and safety of protesters from the US government and the European Commission when force was used by the British and French governments or when protesters died?

www.globalresearch.ca...

While not overlooking, disregarding, or devaluing the loss of life in Kiev, the roots of the violence there need to be discussed honestly and traced back. On the same note, it has to be understood that members of the Ukrainian opposition and their supporters were agitating for a violent confrontation against the Ukrainian government. There is no argument here against the right of citizens to protest, but rioting or taking up arms with the intent to oust a democratically-elected government is a different matter that no government in the US or the EU would accept on their own territory.

www.globalresearch.ca... /5370479

reply to post by crazyewok

Best thing the USA could try and do is broker a deal.

That was the plan, but Putin got greedy.

Ukraine cedes Crimea to Russia (after a refreremdum in the crimea is done) and Ukraine gets it debts cancelled.

Exactly, but it is starting to look like that is not going to happen. Putin's military aggression suggests that he is attempting to frighten people domestically. If he looks weak, his rivals might attempt a coup. As it is, he is precipitating a mutiny.

Senators suggest recalling Russia’s ambassador from US over Obama speech

RT


Escalation ahead!