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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Consvoli
Well, there needs to be some sort of conclusion based off the evidence we have. And it's that modern primates, and humans evolved from African ancestors.
The main problem myself, and others have with the going into Africa hypothesis, is that for one yes, it tends to be muddled up with political nonsense, but if that happens its best to remind we are talking about millions of years, so it doesn't matter. And secondly we find fossils of potential hominins or hominids outside Africa that resemble later stages of their evolution, closely resembling chimpanzees and Bonobos, that's fine, but where are their ancient ancestors outside of Africa? We only find them in Africa, for example Nyanzapithecus ales.
That would suggest that there may have been constant migration too and from Africa. All these old fossils keep popping up just north of Africa as well, take that into account.
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Knowledge (gno'sis) is put in a very favorable light in the Christian Greek Scriptures. However, not all that men may call “knowledge” is to be sought, because philosophies and views exist that are “falsely called ‘knowledge.’” (1Ti 6:20) ...
... Thus Paul wrote about some who were learning (taking in knowledge) “yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge [...] of truth.” (2Ti 3:6, 7)
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“EVOLUTION is a fact.” This is the standard confession of faith that assures the scientific community of your orthodoxy. And for public consumption, the claim is often added: ‘It has been proved so often that there is no longer a need to repeat the proof.’ Very convenient, especially since the evolutionist has no proof to repeat. Yet, for years the statement has been made again and again, like some mystical chant: “Evolution is a fact.”
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Stephen Jay Gould wrote an essay on evolution in the January 1987 issue of the science magazine Discover. Intent on overkill, in this five-page article he proclaimed evolution to be a fact 12 times! Excerpts from the article follow:
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At one point in the article, Gould said: “I don’t want to sound like a shrill dogmatist shouting ‘rally round the flag boys,’ but biologists have reached a consensus . . . about the fact of evolution.” But really, does that not sound like “a shrill dogmatist shouting ‘rally round the flag boys’”?
Molecular biologist Michael Denton referred to this glib talk about evolution’s being a fact and dismissed it with these words: “Now of course such claims are simply nonsense.” It’s much more than nonsense. It’s fraud. It deceives and misrepresents. It perverts the truth to induce another to part with something of value. Newspapers, radio, TV, nature series, science programs, schoolbooks from second grade on—all drum this evolution-is-a-fact litany into the public mind. ...
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Evolutionists today use the same Pharisaic approach: ‘Believe as we do,’ they say. ‘All competent scientists believe evolution. All intelligent people believe it. Only the uneducated and the ignorant don’t believe it.’ By such intimidation and mental bullying, masses of people are herded into the evolutionists’ camp. They know nothing of the weaknesses and inadequacies of evolutionary theory or its unsound speculations and hypothesized impossibilities—such as the origin of life from inanimate chemicals.* [whereislogic: a.k.a. "the chemical evolution theory of life", quoting Haldane and Oparin, and other evolutionists who have used the same term to promote and upgrade the so-called "hypothesis of abiogenesis", quoting Huxley, "Darwin's Bulldog".] So they are swept along by the repetitious mantras recited by evolution’s propagandizers. The theory becomes dogma, its preachers become arrogant, and dissenters reap disdainful abuse. The tactics work. They did in Jesus’ day; they do today.
This four-word propaganda line, ‘Evolution is a fact,’ is little (little in content), is a simple sentence (easily said), and is repeated persistently (even 12 times in one short essay). It qualifies as effective brainwashing propaganda, and with repetition it reaches the status of a slogan—and slogans everywhere repeated are soon programmed into brains and tripped off tongues with little critical examination or skeptical dissection. Once a theory has been sloganized into community thinking, it no longer requires proof, and any who dissent are scorned. If such dissenters present rational refutation of the slogan’s validity, they are especially irritating and subjected to the only available response, namely, ridicule.
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originally posted by: Consvoli
a reply to: whereislogic
A suggestion.
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Evolution isn't debatable and not the topic of this discussion. ...
Gyula Gyenis, a researcher at the Department of Biological Anthropology, Eötvös Loránd University, Hungary, wrote in 2002: “The classification and the evolutionary place of hominid fossils has been under constant debate.” This author also states that the fossil evidence gathered so far brings us no closer to knowing exactly when, where, or how humans evolved from apelike creatures.(3)
“A fool will believe anything.”—PROVERBS 14:15, TODAY’S ENGLISH VERSION.
THERE is a difference—a big difference—between education and propaganda. Education shows you how to think. Propaganda tells you what to think. Good educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists relentlessly force you to hear their view and discourage discussion. Often their real motives are not apparent. They sift the facts, exploiting the useful ones and concealing the others. They also distort and twist facts, specializing in lies and half-truths. Your emotions, not your logical thinking abilities, are their target.
The propagandist makes sure that his message appears to be the right and moral one and that it gives you a sense of importance and belonging if you follow it. You are one of the smart ones, you are not alone, you are comfortable and secure—so they say.
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Playing on the Emotions
Even though feelings might be irrelevant when it comes to factual claims or the logic of an argument, they play a crucial role in persuasion. Emotional appeals are fabricated by practiced publicists, who play on feelings as skillfully as a virtuoso plays the piano.
For example, fear is an emotion that can becloud judgment. And, as in the case of envy, fear can be played upon. ...
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Some propagandists play on pride. Often we can spot appeals to pride by looking for such key phrases as: “Any intelligent person knows that . . .” or, “A person with your education can’t help but see that . . .” A reverse appeal to pride plays on our fear of seeming stupid. Professionals in persuasion are well aware of that.
Science said COVID was from nature.
But evolution is a fact and it's not a debatable topic.
originally posted by: whereislogic
...a debate forum with the motto: "Deny ignorance".
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: whereislogic
I don't mean to insult you.
originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
But evolution is a fact and it's not a debatable topic.
a reply to: Consvoli
Some people believe in creationism. To believe in God, Jesus and to be a Christian...well, there seems to be somewhat of a supernatural belief too. Looking at the universe, from what little we really know, nothing is off the table for debate. All we have are theories and best guesses, many in the pysics community have question Einsteins theories. Science is always being questioned as new and additional information is presented. Fauci, for example, was a liar when he said the science was settled on covid. Can we all agree to that? Scientists sometimes lie and falsify studies etc...
Always question science, it is healthy to do so.
originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
Science said COVID was from nature.
a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3
No, lying scientists said that. Big difference. They hid the real science, they hid the gain of function research.
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: whereislogic
The Bible speaks of wolves in sheep's clothing, having lying mouths and speaking falsities. Those that would put stumbling blocks between one and the Lord. Right?
Well maybe consider that is the case with some of your go-to sources.
We may not understand everything about evolution, but the body of evidence is pretty vast and conclusive.
We may not understand everything about evolution, but the body of evidence is pretty vast and conclusive. Life evolves. Consider this, that through understanding evolution you can better understand God's creation and the natural world. Might even bring you closer to him. Sure, it might not fit as snuggly into the Genesis account, but it is important to remember that not all of the Bible is meant to be taken literally, and was also written at a time where man's understanding was limited.