Very dodgy 5g companies that do not exist.

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: chr0naut
The fact that 60GHz is absorbed by oxygen molecules, means that air blocks the signal.

It's a "fact" that oxygen blocks their signal? So, you're saying they're surrounded by oxygen and therefore can't work at transmitting signals, preventing them from doing what they're supposed to do? Then why put these towers up if they won't work?

Do you ever listen to yourself when you speak?

I suggest you do your own research on the subject, but I'll share this:

5G can use a variety of frequencies, 60GHz is one of them, and yes, it is absorbed by oxygen molecules.

Because, it's absorbed by oxygen, and there's a lot of oxygen in the air, the 60GHz frequency doesn't travel very far and because of this, it has security benefits.

In addition to the high-data rates that can be accomplished in this spectrum, energy propagation in the 60 GHz band has unique characteristics that make possible many other benefits such as excellent immunity to interference, high security, and frequency re-use.

Point-to-point wireless systems operating at 60 GHz have been used for many years by the intelligence community for high security communications and by the military for satellite-to- satellite communications. Their interest in this frequency band stems from a phenomenon of nature: the oxygen molecule (O2) absorbs electromagnetic energy at 60 GHz like a piece of food in a microwave oven (see Figure 2). This absorption occurs to a much higher degree at 60 GHz than at lower frequencies typically used for wireless communications. This absorption weakens (attenuates) 60 GHz signals over distance, so that signals cannot travel far beyond their intended recipient. For this reason, 60 GHz is an excellent choice for covert satellite-to-satellite communications because the earth’s atmosphere acts like a shield preventing earth-based eavesdropping. Because of the rich legacy of applications in this band, a wide variety of components and subassemblies for 60 GHz products are available today.

The Benefits of 60 GHz Unlicensed Wireless Communications - Free PDF Download


And just a general FYI:

The 2.4GHz frequency used in 4G cell phones, Bluetooth, radar systems, and microwave ovens, is absorbed by water molecules.

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: chr0naut

LOL, someone puts a bogus sticker on a pole and you post it.

Can you provide any supporting evidence that that is a bogus sticker?

Well, for one it mentions some suggested effects of radiation that have not been evidenced in any study (e.g, flu like symptoms). It also itemizes several nervous system problems (for instance "cognitive-fog") and "nervous system problems" separately. Another is that it says that "frequencies emitted by this device can be as high as 100 GHz", when no commercial towers are currently running at that frequency and no hand-held mobile devices are available working at that frequency and it is outside of the 5G spec. Nor does it have mention of the company name or the specific FCC document number outlining exposure limits (such as FCC 47 CFR, 1.1307b). It is also missing emergency contact details for those working in the vicinity of, or affected by, emissions. The label is also not compliant with the 3GPP guidance on labelling 5G equipment.

Can you prove that it isn't bogus? It should be easy, just go to a 5G mast in your area and see if there is a sticker like that, with a whole stack of symptoms and no other specifics.

The fact that 60GHz is absorbed by oxygen molecules, means that air blocks the signal.

That's one thing it means. It also means that life supporting oxygen molecules can be excited by the 60GHz frequency, which I've heard can make the oxygen harder for living things to absorb.

When you excite atoms and molecules with radio frequencies, they get hot. If the air is not getting warmer around the cell towers, then the oxygen molecules can't be absorbing much energy.

However, the 60GHz frequency is towards the theoretical maximum frequency of the 5G spectrum. It is very hard to generate at that frequency and as noted it wouldn't go anywhere much due to absorption in the air.

5G towers and devices in the UK presently operate at 700MHz and several bands from 3.4GHz to 3.6GHz.

In comparison, most home WiFi operates at several bands around 2.4GHz and for more expensive WiFi, at several bands around 5.0GHz.

Seems pretty relevant that 5G is a communication medium that employs the use of non-ionizing radiation which does not have enough energy to ionize atoms or molecules.

Microwave ovens use non-ionizing radiation as well, yet they have enough energy to cook food relatively quickly.

This is because the radio energy in a microwave oven is absorbed by water molecules, producing heat in a confined space. The frequency used by microwave ovens is around 2.45GHz, but the power output is between 600W to 1000W.

5G communications towers, despite being close to the frequencies of a microwave oven, do not noticeably heat the surrounding air at distances that the public has access to, and therefore their radio output power at those distances must necessarily be much less than in a microwave oven.

It's also not safe for utility workers to climb energized cellphone towers, because they also put out enough energy to cause physical harm.

Also because an active tower presents an electrocution hazard, but someone actually on a cellphone tower is very close to the radio source.

Radio energy spreads in free space following the inverse-square law, the power decreases with the square of the distance from the source. This means that something quite powerful measured a foot from the source, has only a fraction of the power several feet away.

Inverse-square law

originally posted by: Cracka
a reply to: chr0naut
How much oxygen is in the air we breathe? Derrrr

Roughly 21%

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: chr0naut
The fact that 60GHz is absorbed by oxygen molecules, means that air blocks the signal.

It's a "fact" that oxygen blocks their signal? So, you're saying they're surrounded by oxygen and therefore can't work at transmitting signals, preventing them from doing what they're supposed to do? Then why put these towers up if they won't work?

Do you ever listen to yourself when you speak?

I wasn't the one saying that the towers operate at 60GHz.

I was pointing out one reason that they don't.

You need to read the whole post.

originally posted by: IndieA

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: chr0naut
The fact that 60GHz is absorbed by oxygen molecules, means that air blocks the signal.

It's a "fact" that oxygen blocks their signal? So, you're saying they're surrounded by oxygen and therefore can't work at transmitting signals, preventing them from doing what they're supposed to do? Then why put these towers up if they won't work?

Do you ever listen to yourself when you speak?

I suggest you do your own research on the subject, but I'll share this:

5G can use a variety of frequencies, 60GHz is one of them, and yes, it is absorbed by oxygen molecules.

Because, it's absorbed by oxygen, and there's a lot of oxygen in the air, the 60GHz frequency doesn't travel very far and because of this, it has security benefits.

In addition to the high-data rates that can be accomplished in this spectrum, energy propagation in the 60 GHz band has unique characteristics that make possible many other benefits such as excellent immunity to interference, high security, and frequency re-use.

Point-to-point wireless systems operating at 60 GHz have been used for many years by the intelligence community for high security communications and by the military for satellite-to- satellite communications. Their interest in this frequency band stems from a phenomenon of nature: the oxygen molecule (O2) absorbs electromagnetic energy at 60 GHz like a piece of food in a microwave oven (see Figure 2). This absorption occurs to a much higher degree at 60 GHz than at lower frequencies typically used for wireless communications. This absorption weakens (attenuates) 60 GHz signals over distance, so that signals cannot travel far beyond their intended recipient. For this reason, 60 GHz is an excellent choice for covert satellite-to-satellite communications because the earth’s atmosphere acts like a shield preventing earth-based eavesdropping. Because of the rich legacy of applications in this band, a wide variety of components and subassemblies for 60 GHz products are available today.

The Benefits of 60 GHz Unlicensed Wireless Communications - Free PDF Download


And just a general FYI:

The 2.4GHz frequency used in 4G cell phones, Bluetooth, radar systems, and microwave ovens, is absorbed by water molecules.

There are many radio frequencies that are absorbed or scattered by water molecules, that's why you get rain-fade.

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: chr0naut

This article can be read in full, without providing an email, by using a private window in your internet browser.

We Have No Reason to Believe 5G Is Safe

The chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) recently announced through a press release that the commission will soon reaffirm the radio frequency radiation (RFR) exposure limits that the FCC adopted in the late 1990s. These limits are based upon a behavioral change in rats exposed to microwave radiation and were designed to protect us from short-term heating risks due to RFR exposure.

Yet, since the FCC adopted these limits based largely on research from the 1980s, the preponderance of peer-reviewed research, more than 500 studies, have found harmful biologic or health effects from exposure to RFR at intensities too low to cause significant heating.

Citing this large body of research, more than 240 scientists who have published peer-reviewed research on the biologic and health effects of nonionizing electromagnetic fields (EMF) signed the International EMF Scientist Appeal, which calls for stronger exposure limits. The appeal makes the following assertions:

“Numerous recent scientific publications have shown that EMF affects living organisms at levels well below most international and national guidelines. Effects include increased cancer risk, cellular stress, increase in harmful free radicals, genetic damages, structural and functional changes of the reproductive system, learning and memory deficits, neurological disorders, and negative impacts on general well-being in humans. Damage goes well beyond the human race, as there is growing evidence of harmful effects to both plant and animal life.

The latest cellular technology, 5G, will employ millimeter waves for the first time in addition to microwaves that have been in use for older cellular technologies, 2G through 4G. Given limited reach, 5G will require cell antennas every 100 to 200 meters, exposing many people to millimeter wave radiation. 5G also employs new technologies (e.g., active antennas capable of beam-forming; phased arrays; massive multiple inputs and outputs, known as massive MIMO) which pose unique challenges for measuring exposures.

Millimeter waves are mostly absorbed within a few millimeters of human skin and in the surface layers of the cornea. Short-term exposure can have adverse physiological effects in the peripheral nervous system, the immune system and the cardiovascular system. The research suggests that long-term exposure may pose health risks to the skin (e.g., melanoma), the eyes (e.g., ocular melanoma) and the testes (e.g., sterility).

Many of the studies here mention many of the symptoms on the sticker.

And even if the sticker is bogus, the harmful effects of radio waves, microwaves, and millimeter waves are real in large enough, or focused, doses.

Still though, it looks legit to me. So it doesn't have an FCC number, or emergency number to call, so what? We don't know what country this is from.

Although the towers are not currently running at very high frequencies, they are set up and planned to be run at higher frequencies in the 20GHz range. I wouldn't be surprised if they have capabilities up to 100GHz. (And what I was just reading about this was old, so the towers could already be operating at those higher frequencies in the 20GHz range.) We are dealing be with high frequency radio transmitters, the question becomes, what is their absolute range?

Your logic about a microwave oven generating more power than a cell tower is flawed.

5G communications towers, despite being close to the frequencies of a microwave oven, do not noticeably heat the surrounding air at distances that the public has access to, and therefore their radio output power at those distances must necessarily be much less than in a microwave oven.

Like 4G towers, microwave ovens use the 2.4 GHz frequency, which heats water, not air, but you already know that.

One is confined to a small enclosed Faraday cage, while the other has to overcome attenuation in every direction. That's just considering 4G, I would think that 5G requires additional power.

a reply to: IndieA
21 percent of the air we breathe is oxygen. I wouldn't consider that a lot try again.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Are you sure.

So if the emissions are bad for health trying to sue some company which does not exist is problematic. This could also be a problem as the radiation levels would if off the scale and cause physical damage since they came out during the lockdown during the vaccine rollout and could have a hand in the rapid rise of debilitating diseases and thus be cause for deniability.

Seems pretty relevant that 5G is a communication medium that employs the use of non-ionizing radiation which does not have enough energy to ionize atoms or molecules.

Considering the claims made by the op regarding emissions and that "the radiation levels would if off the scale and cause physical damage".

As to the usual rubbish, like annonentity constantly posting unsubstantiated doom porn that never comes to pass perchance?

So you need to investigate this and let us know, so go set up a little campsite right next to one of these antennas and stay for a few days. Based on your current beliefs espoused on the subject here, it could make you even smarter.

originally posted by: Cracka
a reply to: IndieA
21 percent of the air we breathe is oxygen. I wouldn't consider that a lot try again.

How many O2 molecules are in a cubic centimeter of air, if air is 21% oxygen?

I say, a lot.

It's relative.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

So you need to investigate this and let us know, so go set up a little campsite right next to one of these antennas and stay for a few days.

I don't need to do anything NoCorruptionAllowed.

Based on your current beliefs espoused on the subject here, it could make you even smarter.

My beliefs and the claims I make are based on the scientific evidence available.

Whereas the garbage you choose to punt and place your faith in amounts to nothing more than unsubstantiated pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo.

If you wish to go camping in the fields or under 5G coms masts in March be my guest, report back your own findings, if that's what floats your boat.

I suggest you take with you, and open and read, a real science text, that touches on the properties of non-ionizing radiation, and what it can, and cannot do.

Also learning some manners could not go amiss.

Have a nice day.

a reply to: Cracka

The claim that Wi-Fi is a ""significant"" threat to human health is not supported by scientific evidence.

www.canada.ca...
www.healthline.com...-claims
www.gov.uk...

a reply to: Cracka

With the rise of social media and the internet Cracka everyone has a platform to express their opinions and viewpoints in this day of age.

Sometimes that leads to the perception that each an individuals opinion represents their own reality.

Thing is while opinions are valid expressions of personal beliefs and experiences, that does not mean they always align with objective reality and facts.

My old science teacher used to say "opinions are like ars@holes, everybody has one, and other peoples tend to stink" which I always found to be rather apt.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

So you need to investigate this and let us know, so go set up a little campsite right next to one of these antennas and stay for a few days.

I don't need to do anything NoCorruptionAllowed.

Based on your current beliefs espoused on the subject here, it could make you even smarter.

My beliefs and the claims I make are based on the scientific evidence available

You're just plagiarizing the knowledge of others and then using what others have concluded as a shield to claim it's you who is being scientific. You've conducted no research or investigated anything you claim. Boorish fake.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Is that butthurt i can smell my little pseudoscientist?

I am not plagiarizing anything and i suggest you show where if indeed you feel that way.

Good luck with the personal attacks, have you not already had comments removed in the thread for being a plonker.

And where is your research again?

We must have missed that.

Anyhoo not my fault you fail to comprehend science and physics.

You should have been taught the properties of non-ionizsing radiation in standard-grade physics at secondary school.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Is that butthurt i can smell my little pseudoscientist?

I am not plagiarizing anything and i suggest you show where if indeed you feel that way.

Good luck with the personal attacks, have you not already had comments removed in the thread for being a plonker.

And where is your research again?

We must have missed that.

Anyhoo not my fault you fail to comprehend science and physics.

You should have been taught the properties of non-ionizsing radiation in standard-grade physics.

Have a nice day in la'la land.

ROFL "non ionizing radiation" That isn't even the topic of the OP. This is about dodgy 5G companies that don't exist.

You can't even get that right and instead go off topic on a wild rant about non ionizing radiation.

By the way my education far exceeds yours in every field of science. But I understand you have a need to feel important in your little corner.

The only thing you seem to like doing is going off topic in every thread you can.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

"By the way my education far exceeds yours in every field of science. But I understand you have a need to feel important in your little corner.

The only thing you seem to like doing is going off topic in every thread you can."

Pure irony, no?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

This is about dodgy 5G companies that don't exist. You must be his dog? That's a good boy.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

ROFL "non ionizing radiation" That isn't even the topic of the OP. This is about dodgy 5G companies that don't exist.

The technology and communication medium in question operates within the non-ionizing portion of the electromagnetic spectrum hence rather relevant to the discussion regarding the outlandish claims made by the op.

You can't even get that right and instead go off topic on a wild rant about non ionizing radiation.

I'm not off-topic little bit but you are on a rant.

By the way my education far exceeds yours in every field of science. But I understand you have a need to feel important in your little corner.

Do tell?

Yet you fail to comprehend that non-ionizing radiation is generally considered safe as it lacks the energy required to break chemical bonds or ionize atoms and molecules in living tissue.

The only thing you seem to like doing is going off topic in every thread you can.

Not my posts that are being removed and labeled "off-topic".

But feel free to project away NoCorruptionAllowed.

All you will serve to achieve is to derail the thread.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

So, not about 5G?

Woof, woof.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Now you attack other members for also pointing out the error of your ways.

Do you see a pattern forming NoCorruptionAllowed?

Probably not all the same as that would require a measure of self-reflection it's doubtful you possess.