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originally posted by: Gouldielockstitch
originally posted by: randomuser2034]
Jehovah was talking of his power and ability to bring about the accomplishment of his will ...
So, A jealous God is talking about his power, and also abilities?
Please do state the tone of this?
Does Jehovah have a preferred humor style?
Also, let us know if you are tone deaf or not.
Sum of us would like to know if this is only considered ego and pride when in a flesh form.
If it is, should none of us list abilities when looking for jobs?
originally posted by: randomuser2034
You sure?
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Jehovah was talking of his power and ability to bring about the accomplishment of his will with regards his people Israel. He was going to give them peace, while bringing calamity upon the Babylonians. He wasn't stating that he was the originator or creator of evil in general in this text.
There is nothing impure with God. He is too pure to look on evil. And everything is perfect and good in his creation. He did not create evil. The defect of evil comes from inside the person who from their own free will decides sin.
On this, I also have another question of you. When Peter denied Jesus, did he have free will to decide NOT to deny him, making Jesus a liar? Or, do you suppose Peter denied Jesus of obedience to God, as failing to deny him would be a sin at that point?
originally posted by: randomuser2034
a reply to: HKMarrow
Isaiah 45 is talking of Jehovah's anointing Cyrus (whom he called by name 200 years before Cyrus was even born) to release God's people that were in captivity in Babylon to return to their homeland and rebuild the temple to Jehovah in Jerusalem.
originally posted by: randomuser2034
There is nothing impure with God. He is too pure to look on evil. And everything is perfect and good in his creation. He did not create evil. The defect of evil comes from inside the person who from their own free will decides sin.
On this, I also have another question of you. When Peter denied Jesus, did he have free will to decide NOT to deny him, making Jesus a liar? Or, do you suppose Peter denied Jesus of obedience to God, as failing to deny him would be a sin at that point?
Of course Peter acted of his own freewill. He actually was showing a measure of boldness. For when the guard of the Sanhedrin took Jesus prisoner only Peter and John followed behind, everyone else scattered. And Peter was as bold as to enter into the courtyard of the High Priest Caiaphas. But when a woman recognized him, out of weakness Peter denied knowing Jesus, out of fear of man. But he quickly repented and ran off and wept bitterly over his weakness.
Jesus knew Peter's love of him, and he also knew of his weaknesses. Jesus forgave Peter because he knew Peter's intentions were good at heart, and as Jesus said, "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." This should give you heart, and encourage you. Jesus also sees the good in your heart. Even when you do wrong, he knows the true intentions of the heart.
Hmmmm... that's like saying that a sports announcer is talking about football, when he starts talking about what he did while on vacation. Sure, football is going on, but he's talking about something else during the game.
Kinda like here. Sure, the captivity and all that was going on. But God's talking about being God here.
originally posted by: HKMarrow
originally posted by: randomuser2034
There is nothing impure with God. He is too pure to look on evil. And everything is perfect and good in his creation. He did not create evil. The defect of evil comes from inside the person who from their own free will decides sin.
On this, I also have another question of you. When Peter denied Jesus, did he have free will to decide NOT to deny him, making Jesus a liar? Or, do you suppose Peter denied Jesus of obedience to God, as failing to deny him would be a sin at that point?
Of course Peter acted of his own freewill. He actually was showing a measure of boldness. For when the guard of the Sanhedrin took Jesus prisoner only Peter and John followed behind, everyone else scattered. And Peter was as bold as to enter into the courtyard of the High Priest Caiaphas. But when a woman recognized him, out of weakness Peter denied knowing Jesus, out of fear of man. But he quickly repented and ran off and wept bitterly over his weakness.
Jesus knew Peter's love of him, and he also knew of his weaknesses. Jesus forgave Peter because he knew Peter's intentions were good at heart, and as Jesus said, "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." This should give you heart, and encourage you. Jesus also sees the good in your heart. Even when you do wrong, he knows the true intentions of the heart.
Your ignoring the mechanics of the question. But you are insinuating, that Peter could have potentially made Jesus into a liar. So, I guess I'll take that as your answer...
originally posted by: randomuser2034
originally posted by: HKMarrow
originally posted by: randomuser2034
There is nothing impure with God. He is too pure to look on evil. And everything is perfect and good in his creation. He did not create evil. The defect of evil comes from inside the person
who from their own free will decides sin.
On this, I also have another question of you. When Peter denied Jesus, did he have free will to decide NOT to deny him, making Jesus a liar? Or, do you suppose Peter denied Jesus of obedience to God, as failing to deny him would be a sin at that point?
Of course Peter acted of his own freewill. He actually was showing a measure of boldness. For when the guard of the Sanhedrin took Jesus prisoner only Peter and John followed behind, everyone else scattered. And Peter was as bold as to enter into the courtyard of the High Priest Caiaphas. But when a woman recognized him, out of weakness Peter denied knowing Jesus, out of fear of man. But he quickly repented and ran off and wept bitterly over his weakness.
Jesus knew Peter's love of him, and he also knew of his weaknesses. Jesus forgave Peter because he knew Peter's intentions were good at heart, and as Jesus said, "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." This should give you heart, and encourage you. Jesus also sees the good in your heart. Even when you do wrong, he knows the true intentions of the heart.
Your ignoring the mechanics of the question. But you are insinuating, that Peter could have potentially made Jesus into a liar. So, I guess I'll take that as your answer...
I didn't ignore the question. You are reading into it what you want, not what was stated. As you are doing with God's word as well.
originally posted by: HKMarrow
There is nothing impure with God. He is too pure to look on evil. And everything is perfect and good in his creation. He did not create evil. The defect of evil comes from inside the person who from their own free will decides sin.
On this, I also have another question of you. When Peter denied Jesus, did he have free will to decide NOT to deny him, making Jesus a liar? Or, do you suppose Peter denied Jesus of obedience to God, as failing to deny him would be a sin at that point?
The context you are wishing to limit this to, is the curses of the Covenant. However, if God is the same, without change, then the same God that created that situation, also created the rest of the world, and it's situations... just like he says here. In this passage.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: HKMarrow
There is nothing impure with God. He is too pure to look on evil. And everything is perfect and good in his creation. He did not create evil. The defect of evil comes from inside the person who from their own free will decides sin.
On this, I also have another question of you. When Peter denied Jesus, did he have free will to decide NOT to deny him, making Jesus a liar? Or, do you suppose Peter denied Jesus of obedience to God, as failing to deny him would be a sin at that point?
originally posted by: randomuser2034
The context you are wishing to limit this to, is the curses of the Covenant. However, if God is the same, without change, then the same God that created that situation, also created the rest of the world, and it's situations... just like he says here. In this passage.
Agreed that God subjected the world to futility, that is sin and death, but he did so on the basis of hope as Paul stated:
"For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but through the one who subjected it, on the basis of hope that the creation itself will also be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God."-Romans 8:2-21.
Jehovah did not have to put up with sin when it was introduced into the world by Satan the Devil. But he did. So everything from that time onward has been allowed by Jehovah, and Jehovah has been fulfilling his purpose with respects humankind. While he has allowed evil, subjecting humankind to futility, that is sin and death, he did so based on the hope of the promised offspring as foretold in Genesis 3:15, and of which every book of the Bible, and all of Jehovah's dealings therein has been dealing with.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: randomuser2034
If Jesus had told him the whole truth, he might have changed his mind. That's what being honest and transparent with your friends usually does.
originally posted by: randomuser2034
a reply to: TzarChasm
Jesus knew Peter's heart was good. In fact on the very night he was betrayed he asked Peter, James, and John to pray with him, and yet they kept falling asleep. But instead of becoming disheartened with them he stated:
"He returned to the disciples and found them sleeping, and he said to Peter: “Could you not so much as keep on the watch for one hour with me? Keep on the watch and pray continually, so that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit, of course, is eager, but the flesh is weak.”-Matthew 26:40-41.
So Jesus even warned them to pray so that they not fall into temptation. Perhaps if they had obeyed Jesus Peter would not have denied knowing him. But just because Jesus saw this weakness in the man, doesn't mean that he overlooked the good in him.
After being resurrected and appearing to Peter Jesus asked Peter three times if he loved Jesus. And Peter said yes, you know all things, you know I love you. And he became vexxed perhaps realizing the weakness he revealed when he in a moment of weakness denied knowing Jesus. But Jesus showed he had forgiven Peter when he replied: "Feed my little sheep."
Jesus knew Peter was going to do what he did. It was already foretold in scripture that all his followers would scatter, but that doesn't mean he didn't warn them, and even tell them to pray that it wouldn't happen.