Investigations reveal discrepancies in Israel’s Gaza hospital attack claims

a reply to: Lazy88

You running away from your biased and worthless video that totally ignores the actual physical evidence of the incident.

The whole topic is rebuked by the weight of your argument, which turned into the physical evidence of another salty spot in our collective pyjamas.
It's clear as day now, innit?

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: Lazy88

You running away from your biased and worthless video that totally ignores the actual physical evidence of the incident.

The whole topic is rebuked by the weight of your argument, which turned into the physical evidence of another salty spot in our collective pyjamas.
It's clear as day now, innit?

Which as nothing to do with the criticism of the video you posted with false implications.

“You running away from your biased and worthless video that totally ignores the actual physical evidence of the incident.

Again. Where Hamas lies it was an Israeli air strike, Hamas lied about the number of dead, lied about the actual Hospital building being hit, lied about the fragments and shrapnel dissolving like salt in the sea.

While you ignore the physical evidence.

Then you make some BS claim about a BS video alluding to a Gaza rocket being it with an iron Dome Missile. With no proof of the Gaza rocket that broke apart on its own like about 10 to 18 percent of the failed Hamas rockets. With no proof in the video of an Iron Dome Missile being present in the video. Just the wishful analysis of a Gaza rocket that broke apart in mid air like the 10 to 18 percent of its counter parts that misfire.”

Care to address how your cited video fails? Care to address the Hamas lies?

a reply to: Lazy88

Amazing Gish-gallop, maybe you've got a moment for another loaded question?

How many medical facilities have been attacked, how many are still operable and how much of all that would be on misfired Hamas rockets?

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: Lazy88

Amazing Gish-gallop, maybe you've got a moment for another loaded question?

How many medical facilities have been attacked, how many are still operable and how much of all that would be on misfired Hamas rockets?

The topic of this thread is al-Ahli Hospital.


That you can only BS, and can’t come to terms Hamas lies?

Care to stop changing the subject and debate the failures of your cited video? And you ignore something like 10 to 18 percent of Hamas rockets malfunction landing in Gaza. Such as break apart in mid air.

a reply to: Lazy88

Just to be perfectly clear, you think the question regarding similar attacks on hospitals would be off-topic in context of the attacks on al-Ahli hospital?

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: Lazy88

Just to be perfectly clear, you think the question regarding similar attacks on hospitals would be off-topic in context of the attacks on al-Ahli hospital?

It’s more that you believe a proven Hamas lie regarding the specific hospital and incident of this thread.

But you can’t let it go because it proves Hamas blatantly lies. And it proves you believe Hamas lies over actual reality and truth.

a reply to: Insurrectile

Why do you keep posting in threads to derail from the fact Hamas are murdering lying terrorists that misreport the number of dead civilians and the cause of their deaths?

October 14 – Three Days Before the Explosion
On October 14, three days before the major explosion, a remnant of an artillery projectile struck the hospital’s diagnostic cancer treatment center, damaging two floors and reportedly injuring four medical workers, according to the Chaplain to the Archbishop of the Episcopal Church of Jerusalem and the Middle East, which runs the hospital. The chaplain published a video on social media showing the damage to the diagnostic center, which appears kinetic and nonexplosive, and a remnant of an illumination flare on the floor of one of the rooms, covered in debris. The remnant pictured is part of the munition that falls to the ground once the flare is ejected over a target area. Israel is the only party to the conflict known to possess and use the artillery that fires this type of munition.

The Archbishop of the Episcopal Church of Jerusalem and the Middle East said in a news conference that on October 14, 15 and 16, al-Ahli hospital received at least three phone warnings to evacuate, though he did not provide details about the source or content of the warnings. Yousef Abu Reesh, spokesperson for the Ministry of Health in Gaza, said on the evening of October 17 that the warnings had been given by the Israeli military to the director of the hospital. The Israeli military has said that it gives phone warnings to civilians to evacuate.

Gaza: Findings on October 17 al-Ahli Hospital Explosion

Good thing the army warned people with artillery projectiles and phone calls about the incoming Hamas missile failure! They must have stared at candles for ages to have this kind of precognition going for them, makes the rest of this army look like blind lemmings. Even HRW needs an investigation now, guess they wanna see those crystal balls?

a reply to: Insurrectile

Clicked on you link…

The first paragraph…

Jerusalem) – The explosion that killed and injured many civilians at al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza on October 17, 2023, resulted from an apparent rocket-propelled munition, such as those commonly used by Palestinian armed groups, that hit the hospital grounds, Human Rights Watch said today. While misfires are frequent, further investigation is needed to determine who launched the apparent rocket and whether the laws of war were violated.

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The actual title

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Gaza: Findings on October 17 al-Ahli Hospital Explosion
Evidence Points to Misfired Rocket but Full Investigation Needed

Why would an investigation be needed if Hamas wasn’t lying?

From your link

Human Rights Watch investigated the explosion by reviewing publicly available photos and videos, analyzing satellite imagery, interviewing five witnesses to the incident and its aftermath, reviewing analyses published by other organizations, and consulting experts. The remote analysis assessed the explosion and the damage on site, as well as several possible trajectories of the objects visible on videos taken at the time of the attack, which also showed the moments before and after the explosion at the hospital.

“There was nowhere to walk, because there were body parts everywhere and people injured and dying,” a journalist who arrived at the hospital an hour after the blast told Human Rights Watch. “The people at the scene were mainly children, older people, women.”

There are no known images of any munition remnants publicly available, and Human Rights Watch was unable to visit the scene, preventing conclusive identification of the munition.

However, the sound preceding the explosion, the fireball that accompanied it, the size of the resulting crater, the type of splatter adjoining it, and the type and pattern of fragmentation visible around the crater are all consistent with the impact of a rocket.


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a reply to: Insurrectile

Also form your link..

A Hamas official said the remnants would “soon be shown to the world.” More than a month after the events, this has not happened.

Ghazi Hamad, a senior Hamas leader and deputy minister in the Hamas-led Gaza governing authority, told the media on October 22 that “the missile has dissolved like salt in the water.… It’s vaporized. Nothing is left.” Human Rights Watched noted that substantial portions of munitions typically survive a detonation, even if parts of munitions are designed to break apart and may be made unrecognizable by thermal damage.

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Again. Grim. But if the object exploded killing people, fragments of the object in the form of shrapnel should have been recoverable from the dead and injured.

a reply to: PepperOnion

ceasefire extended by 2 days Breaking now

It was known early on it was a misfired rocket from Gaza.

Video Analysis Shows Gaza Hospital Hit By Failed Rocket Meant for Israel
A video analysis by the Wall Street Journal using security cameras and live feeds inside Israel and Gaza shows how a failed rocket caused the deadly explosion at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital. Photo illustration: Ryan Trefes
By Wall Street Journal
October 21, 2023
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originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: PepperOnion

ceasefire extended by 2 days Breaking now

That's great!

Ceasefire must become permanent imo

originally posted by: Tlycanthrope
Ceasefire must become permanent imo

If hamas could keep its murderous hands to itself it just might be, but let’s be real.
It’s just a matter of time until another misfired rocket hits innocents.

Even anti-Israel group Human Rights Watch admits Hamas lied about Israel bombing the hospital and that Hamas lied about the number of dead. At this point anyone pushing the 'Israel air bombed the hospital' narrative is just desperately clinging to anti-israel Hamas propaganda.

Even Human Rights Watch Admits Palestinians Caused Al Ahli

Palestinian culpability for the rocket that struck al-Ahli Hospital is now so indisputable that even Human Rights Watch, an outfit deeply hostile to Israel, has admitted it — but rest assured, this won’t be the last time major media let Hamas guide the “narrative.”

HRW’s report on the tragedy says it “resulted from an apparent rocket-propelled munition, such as those commonly used by Palestinian armed groups.”

Armed groups — i.e., terror cadres like Islamic Jihad, the group Hamas operatives blamed in an audio clip intercepted and published by Israel.

HRW also damns the clearly inflated death and casualty totals provided by Hamas: Their number “displays an unusually high killed-to-injured ratio” “out of proportion” with the damage the rocket did to the hospital site.