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No Doubt That Is War

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posted on Oct, 11 2023 @ 07:09 PM
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*** This is a poem from the perspective of a person who is related to this conflict directly or indirectly through degrees of separation. The Israel or Jewish perspective. Really just flowing emotion. Don't care how grandstanding it comes off.


Hatred and revenge
For rehashing memory
Shock and disbelief

Endless news plays on
A Concern for others, strong
Joy and laughter, gone

Vicarious pain
For another made my own
Armed for proxy war

Anger is mounting
Other beliefs try my patience
Hypocritical

Veil now discarded
Worth the emphatic outrage
They are parasites

Every hideout
Hunt them to oblivion
For others, for mine

Support an enemy
That is the reality
One that can't be stopped

Free choice is given
Call mine crocodile tears
Choices inhumane

It won't be this time
Some lives no longer matter
Tunnels are like caves

Good guy badge to wear
Excuses, occupation
Hate plain and simple

Every hideout
Hunt them to oblivion
For others, for mine

My hypocrisy?
I have my prejudice too
No doubt that is war

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posted on Oct, 11 2023 @ 10:43 PM
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a reply to: Degradation33

Very deep! I am Jewish and my mom is from Israel my cousin is missing, we have family in shelters. It’s a very bad time! Thank you for this!



posted on Oct, 11 2023 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: JJproductions

I hope everything works out for the best. I'm really sorry to hear that.

I'm only distant. According to average percentages they were 5 generations back on my mother's side. But mine is secondary.

The person for who this is for is from New York originally. Large extended family. Second cousin and his wife are in the South. All good and accounted for. Her father's cousin is in Tel Aviv. Several American Jewish families are all in similar positions.

Hard not to feel and share disgust.

This was 9/11 + Every Holocaust horror ever spoke of for many of Jewish heritage. And that's not an understatement of the sickness and anger fealt by imparticularly by her and her family right now.
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posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 01:10 AM
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nice


I think there comes a point of brutality that lends itself to pivoting a conflict towards slaughter or away from it.. and living through one such pivot I think we are at another..

the cranberries song zombies written in the aftermath of the Warrington bombing was such a point as targeting children is an incredibly emotive topic thus it still resonates today as an anti war song, even today as a parent i can not grasp what could be going on mind of anyone who targets children.



of writing the song..


There were a lot of bombs going off in London and I remember this one time a child was killed when a bomb was put in a rubbish bin – that's why there's that line in the song, 'A child is slowly taken'. [ ... ] We were on a tour bus and I was near the location where it happened, so it really struck me hard – I was quite young, but I remember being devastated about the innocent children being pulled into that kind of thing. So I suppose that's why I was saying, 'It's not me' – that even though I'm Irish it wasn't me, I didn't do it. Because being Irish, it was quite hard, especially in the UK when there was so much tension.

— Dolores O'Riordan in 2017, on writing "Zombie".



posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 04:54 AM
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posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 05:18 AM
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posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 05:21 AM
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a reply to: JJproductions

My thoughts and prayers for the safety of your cousin and relatives, JJ.


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posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: Encia22

Thank you my friend!



posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: Degradation33
From "a hater"

Common humanity demands release of hostages and swift death upon the perpetrators.

That's the rule which transcends ideology formed in peace and quiet.

My hypocrisy?
I live in a bloody land
the beneficiary of atrocities
told and untold

I have no right
to claim morality

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Edit to add:

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Recognition of reality over ideology.
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posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: pthena

It's certainly rational, and my position echoes a similar loss of humility, but in this instance, it's temporarily not applicable.

Hate away. It's not to sway anyone one way or another. It's a personal solidarity and shared disdain thing. It's a shame people are now on opposite sides for more reasons, or that sides are a thing, but for now, I can't acknowledge the absolute territory claim of the Western squirrel.

And I know my girlfriend can't.
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posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: Degradation33



Hate away.

I had forgotten what hate felt like.
Until I read the lines:

"Good guy badge to wear
Excuses, occupation
Hate plain and simple"

Quite the gut punch there.
I had to feel it resurface
let it roll over me
best kept unspoken.

Others spoke it that I heard
I don't want to be them.
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It is the Eastern Grays,
two of them now,
which I feed.
The Westerns are not my neighbors.

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My landlord was not pleased when I said
"There are two now, not just the one."

Exasperated, he said, "Oh great! Next thing you know there will be three, then four!"
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Good guy badge:


Mama, take this badge off of me
I can't use it anymore
It's gettin' dark, too dark to see
I feel I'm knockin' on heaven's door

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posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 06:45 PM
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I had forgotten what hate felt like.
Until I read the lines:

"Good guy badge to wear
Excuses, occupation
Hate plain and simple"

Quite the gut punch there.
I had to feel it resurface
let it roll over me
best kept unspoken.


That's why negotiations are so hard. This projected as intended. The reactions of pearl harbor and 9/11 from the Jewish/Israeli perspective. What can I do to get them back? Buy war bonds? Rivet some sh*t?

It's not gonna win friends. And I'm sorry that it was an angering gut punch. I'm usually more tactful, but I also can't do poetry from positions not drawing on actual emotion.

Even hateful and revenge-minded emotion. Especially the most raw of emotion. Which still is fairly raw about this.
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posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: Degradation33



This projected as intended.

Glad I didn't suffer loss of ideology over a misinterpretation.
Once the war is over I'll see if I can recover.
I don't have skin in this one, you and JJ do.
That's enough.

Here's another other Dylan. One of my favorites, about the death of an idea.



posted on Oct, 12 2023 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: pthena

I meant nothing personal to anyone here. Raw emotion and a few days of news posted this. A more direct experience posted this.

The numb, blank 9/11 stare when I got home Saturday took me back 22 years. Three words said, "They're killing us".

Very emotional few days. I'm sorry my processing that has erupted in Zionism and drama posting.
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posted on Oct, 20 2023 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: Degradation33

Yes it’s for-sure war!



posted on Oct, 20 2023 @ 04:59 AM
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a reply to: Triple333

Hi, Alison.

And if that's not your name, I'm sorry I said that right now. Just "333" may be something I picked up on. I'm almost certain, she's somewhere in here, so if it's not you, send that along to her.

a reply to: Degradation33

Wax on, wax off. All working was like an intricate work of sand art blown away by the wind. It was the most authentic account I had, actually.

But I must thank this occurrence, because I don't have to do something anymore.

I will miss you, Degradation33... RIP.
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posted on Oct, 20 2023 @ 05:02 AM
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a reply to: SheWasTheDarkness

No I am not Alison lol! But thank you!



posted on Oct, 20 2023 @ 05:21 AM
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a reply to: Triple333

Shot in the dark. It just feels like a rerun. Your using the exact method. Either way, I guess you're the new sheriffs.

This was hardcore, I will give you guy that.

I've said enough now.

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