Biden's Afghanistan pullout was expected.

Biden was not enthusiastic about the military efforts in Afghanistan way back when he was vice president.

He expressed his reservations against it to then-president Obama.

He was the lone dissenting voice against it.

Biden claimed there was corruption in the Afghanistan government.

Obama ultimately went with the general consensus of staying the course.

Biden was kind of embarrassed over this.

Today, as commander-in-chief, he got to do what he's been wanting to do for over a decade.

This decision may have been his alone.

The chief executive's views have always had the potential to become state policy.

Analysis: Biden lost faith in the U.S. mission in Afghanistan over a decade ago

a reply to: reject

yes. and to spite Trump, he scrapped his withdraw plans and did it in reverse order, which is what caused the biggest political disaster in recent times.

Biden's Dad should have pulled out!

a reply to: reject

Why was military equipment left behind gifted for the Taliban? Why did the Afghan army despite having larger forces not put up a fight? How was the Taliban able to take over the country in a week and free 5000 prisoners with barely a shot fired?

Was a deal done? According to some press reports the Taliban plans to flood the west with opium to bolster the Afghan economy. This the same Taliban that outlawed opium production in 2001 before the US led invasion?

It all sounds a bit fishy to me, looks like a deal was made with the Taliban behind closed doors.

yes. and to spite Trump, he scrapped his withdraw plans and did it in reverse order, which is what caused the biggest political disaster in recent times.

a reply to: network dude
was that like his infrastructure plan and health care plan? 2 weeks away? or the "bomb our bases, then remove the military" plan, Biden could say "it is what it is" and you would be ok with that right? At least he did not release 5000 taliban fighter, right?

a reply to: reject

"If we're surging troops anywhere, it should be in Afghanistan," Biden said. Adding troops there would give the United States "the moral high ground"

Washington Post, 1/5/07

Joe Biden was the co-author of the Afghanistan Freedom and Support Act of 2002 that authorized the original reconstruction and security payments for Afghanistan - 19 years ago


“Helping Afghanistan become self-sustaining is going to be a monumental task. It's going to take up to a decade, and more blood will be spilled and more treasure will be spent. But I think it's important”

- Joe Biden, 2008

Yes, done intentionally wrong. This was a way for him to remove some of his detractors…. The ones he left behind. This is a lesson to his wider critics, he is prepared to cut them loose.

the problem wasn't in the discontinuing the war.

the problem was an exit that was planned to include creation of chaos.

the plan was chaos. it is diabolical.

US snuck out of Bagram overnight
The U.S. left Afghanistan’s Bagram Airfield after nearly 20 years
- by shutting off the electricity and slipping away in the night
- without notifying the base’s new Afghan commander,
- who discovered the Americans’ departure more than
- - two hours after they left, Afghan military officials said.

They did not leave anyone in command!!!

Imagine being a soldier in an active combat zone (Afghan or not)
and you wake up in the morning
and everyone is gone
and you have been left behind to fend for yourself.

That was July 7 - that was six weeks ago.

THAT IS DIABOLICAL
It is the kind of military encounter than goes down in the history books and is taught in military academies.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: reject

Why was military equipment left behind gifted for the Taliban? Why did the Afghan army despite having larger forces not put up a fight? How was the Taliban able to take over the country in a week and free 5000 prisoners with barely a shot fired?

Look at the timing...

An entire month to scrounge up some resources to give America a nice 20th anniversary present?

a reply to: watchitburn

He did an "about face" after going to Afghanistan to assess the situation.

Kindly read the linked article, please.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: reject

"If we're surging troops anywhere, it should be in Afghanistan," Biden said. Adding troops there would give the United States "the moral high ground"

Washington Post, 1/5/07

Joe Biden was the co-author of the Afghanistan Freedom and Support Act of 2002 that authorized the original reconstruction and security payments for Afghanistan - 19 years ago


“Helping Afghanistan become self-sustaining is going to be a monumental task. It's going to take up to a decade, and more blood will be spilled and more treasure will be spent. But I think it's important”

- Joe Biden, 2008

The Truth Hurts.

There is nowhere for Biden to run on this. His lengthy political history offers everyone easily verifiable proof of how he has voted and what his philosophy was and has been, and that is, a patsy for the MIC. Biden's all in on investing untold American blood and treasure (paid out in tranches to those like Haliburtun and Blackwater....wonder how much campaign contributions came full circle from the MIC back to Biden) in bringing 'Mocracy to a tribal, back-water, synthetically organized "nation" of Islamic extremists.

He was a Senator from 1973 to 2009. 36 years!!
He was Vice President under Obama no less from 2009 to 2017. Another 8 years.

On paper he is the most credentialed President possibly in history.

He assumed office in January.
If his intention was departing from Afghanistan, then he had
February, March, April, May, June, and July to conduct an orderly withdrawal.
Half a year. Six months.
In addition to the 44 years of experience wielding the reins of power,
he had 180 days to plan and execute.

So in the dead of night on July 7
he evacuated Bagram Airbase
in the middle of the night
without leaving anyone in command.

This is a full retreat - This is what cowards do.

His experience in office in this case convicts his decision.
It does not defend him.

a reply to: sraven

The rap sheet you just recited is 100% why people want "political outsiders" in Washington DC.

We (the people that are tired of professional politicians) are continually told that this is illogical, wrong thinking.

The people that tell us that are the ones living in "The Swamp" or have their livelihood intertwined with the various creeks, slews and cesspools that feed into "The Swamp".

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened
a reply to: sraven

The rap sheet you just recited is 100% why people want "political outsiders" in Washington DC.

We (the people that are tired of professional politicians) are continually told that this is illogical, wrong thinking.

The people that tell us that are the ones living in "The Swamp" or have their livelihood intertwined with the various creeks, slews and cesspools that feed into "The Swamp".

With all of his experience - political, military, foreign policy -
executing a smooth, professional, and calm withdrawal from Afghanistan
could have been glorious.
Based on his credentials, we could have left to ticker tape parades through Kabul.
There is no doubt that The All Powerful Joseph Biden of Robinette
could have created an exit where everyone was a winner.

Based on his experience, this chaos was planned.
there is no excuse.

a reply to: reject

Biden forgot we had tens of thousands of vulnerable civilians there.

Biden forgot the military/intel advised him to wait until late Fall (Taliban mostly dormant then) to withdraw troops, after withdrawing civilians.

Yes....on both counts....HE FORGOT.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: reject

Biden forgot we had tens of thousands of vulnerable civilians there.

Biden forgot the military/intel advised him to wait until late Fall (Taliban mostly dormant then) to withdraw troops, after withdrawing civilians.

Yes....on both counts....HE FORGOT.

He did not forget.
He has a vice president, joint chiefs of staff, a cabinet, and Nancy Pelosi to remind him daily of what is he supposed to screw up next.

Saying he forgot is cutting him slack that he does not deserve

Do you want the best theory for "Why the departure from Afghanistan was fubar?"

Why did it have to be done so quickly?

are you ready for it????

ok, here goes. . . .

It is because Joe Biden is deteriorating so quickly that he must be replaced soon.
It is because his replacement is Kamela Harris.

And "the powers that be" do not want there to be
an active combat situation in Afghanistan with that woman in office.

And so, all the stops must be pulled out to get out of Afghanistan . . . no matter what.

originally posted by: sraven
Do you want the best theory for "Why the departure from Afghanistan was fubar?"

Why did it have to be done so quickly?

are you ready for it????

ok, here goes. . . .

It is because Joe Biden is deteriorating so quickly that he must be replaced soon.
It is because his replacement is Kamela Harris.

And "the powers that be" do not want there to be
an active combat situation in Afghanistan with that woman in office.

And so, all the stops must be pulled out to get out of Afghanistan . . . no matter what.

Vomit.
Bleed.
Potato bug.
...Killary.


If she's not already running the show with Joe in the chair, she will be a lot closer with Harris.
Look for drone strikes on US soil, with complete media deflection per Obama's rules.

a reply to: watchitburn

Joe Biden was the co-author of the Afghanistan Freedom and Support Act of 2002 that authorized the original reconstruction and security payments for Afghanistan - 19 years ago “Helping Afghanistan become self-sustaining is going to be a monumental task. It's going to take up to a decade, and more blood will be spilled and more treasure will be spent. But I think it's important” - Joe Biden, 2008

he did that to get some of that faux patriotism brownie points that was popular at that time and affecting many a senator and representatives. he really didn't give a sh@@ about the afghan, or iragi people

originally posted by: reject
Biden was not enthusiastic about the military efforts in Afghanistan way back when he was vice president.

He expressed his reservations against it to then-president Obama.

He was the lone dissenting voice against it.

Biden claimed there was corruption in the Afghanistan government.

Obama ultimately went with the general consensus of staying the course.

Biden was kind of embarrassed over this.

Today, as commander-in-chief, he got to do what he's been wanting to do for over a decade.

This decision may have been his alone.

The chief executive's views have always had the potential to become state policy.

Analysis: Biden lost faith in the U.S. mission in Afghanistan over a decade ago

Not trying to sound like an a hole, but what is the point of this thread exactly? Just curious.