How about not telling us Glacier in NP is growing?

Hear it now believe it later, We are played like violins/fiddles.

If it fits the Doom Porn UN version of AGW, or the lie of the month you will be being rosined up. This is why I can't trust them to handle any data analysis.
www.redstate.com...

Officials at Glacier National Park (GNP) have begun quietly removing and altering signs and government literature which told visitors that the Park’s glaciers were all expected to disappear by either 2020 or 2030. In recent years the National Park Service prominently featured brochures, signs and films which boldly proclaimed that all glaciers at GNP were melting away rapidly. But now officials at GNP seem to be scrambling to hide or replace their previous hysterical claims while avoiding any notice to the public that the claims were inaccurate.

Stuff just like that awakened me from lurker when I started. Those lies I saw repeated by a certain group had me finding the best research and studying the characters and realizing I needed to speak up for my chosen career of environmental scientist.

These lies hurt people trying to discern the truth in the various fields of science. We are almost all lumped in with the bad by the public. And for disagreeing with the Religion of Man Made Climate Change we are treated badly in the MSM propaganda machine. So, I chose sticking to considering what I can prove to myself is the truth so that I can do it with conviction. When I mess up, I will admit it. I hope to be that person every day so that when something important needs to be shared it can be taken at face value that I am perhaps anal about it analysis. The 1st 4 letters of analysis.

Last year the Park Service quietly removed its two large steel trash cans at the Many Glacier Hotel which depicted “before and after” engravings of the Grinnell Glacier in 1910 and 2009. The steel carvings indicated that the Glacier had shrunk significantly between the two dates. But a viral video published on Wattsupwiththat.com showed that the Grinnell Glacier appears to be slightly larger than in 2009.

Telling it like it really is can be hard for others to swallow. No you can't drink from well water without testing it first!

a reply to: Justoneman

Yep I saw this a few days ago. It is just one more prediction of a 10 year doom scenario they make that never comes true. No worry they just reset the clock to another 10 years for their newer better bigger we are all doomed B.S...

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: Justoneman

Yep I saw this a few days ago. It is just one more prediction of a 10 year doom scenario they make that never comes true. No worry they just reset the clock to another 10 years for their newer better bigger we are all doomed B.S...

I have told my family I sense an attitude from the MSM talking heads all the time of arrogance too. No matter the subject they project a case of the ass about why we aren't afraid enough yet? Doom porn de jour.

I would add that the whole CO2 argument was ramped up for me when I found the report on CO2 and NO spikes out of the atmosphere into Space and releases energy. Heat being energy would certainly be carried out along with the molecules of CO2 and NO.
coldclimatechange.com...

NASA says that CO2 is a coolant not a warming gas. One part of NASA is now in conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth’s atmosphere. NASA’s Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. Carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO) are two substances playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface tending to cool not heat.

Maybe they will study doom porn on how long we 'allow' CO2 to escape before we kill all life on Earth next?


Phage might be working on that now. After all, he can't counter with the bad NASA data since that data is in conflict about CO2 cooling the Earth data. Another win for my side in our years long discussion. /some sarc

More to ponder from that link above.

Regardless of what one believes or all the myriad factors, “Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had,” reports Dr. R. Timothy Patterson. World temperatures have been generally declining for about 10 years while CO2 is rising rapidly,” writes famous weatherman Piers Corybyn, who is an astrophysicist.

a reply to: Justoneman

All this tells me is that we're entering a new Ice Age and that mankind is the cause of it!

Gods! WHY WON'T SOMEONE RAISE MY TAXES SO THE EARTH WILL WARM UP?????

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Justoneman

All this tells me is that we're entering a new Ice Age and that mankind is the cause of it!

Gods! WHY WON'T SOMEONE RAISE MY TAXES SO THE EARTH WILL WARM UP?????

The Northern Hemisphere (at least N. America) entered an Ice Age 28000 years ago believed to be caused by what ? An increase of CO2 . 1-2 FT of ice plumb down to Houston Tx.

a reply to: Gothmog

It's because 28,000 years ago, the government refused to raise taxes!

We just refuse to learn from the past!

This entire sack of shiite goes back to the Venus lander and the coining of the term "greenhouse gases" that started this fear mongering crap.
It wasn't the CO2 that killed Venus .
It was the methane and ammonia.

a reply to: Gothmog

And low taxes. I can't stress this enough.

If they'd just have raised taxes on Venus, things would be so much different.






Seriously though, we're all just still learning. For anyone to claim the science "settled", is as myopic as any flat-earther.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Gothmog

It's because 28,000 years ago, the government refused to raise taxes!

We just refuse to learn from the past!

And money/power crazed Gore and the UN were not there to save the day by waving their billions of dollars of stolen money in the air to absorb that CO2

originally posted by: Justoneman
I would add that the whole CO2 argument was ramped up for me when I found the report on CO2 and NO spikes out of the atmosphere into Space and releases energy. Heat being energy would certainly be carried out along with the molecules of CO2 and NO.
coldclimatechange.com...

NASA says that CO2 is a coolant not a warming gas. One part of NASA is now in conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth’s atmosphere. NASA’s Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. Carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO) are two substances playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface tending to cool not heat.

Maybe they will study doom porn on how long we 'allow' CO2 to escape before we kill all life on Earth next?


Phage might be working on that now. After all, he can't counter with the bad NASA data since that data is in conflict about CO2 cooling the Earth data. Another win for my side in our years long discussion. /some sarc

Not to be taken lightly
You know there are lots of folks that vested their retirement in carbon tax credits.
They have to keep the sideshow a goin cause they are losing their royal behinds.

a reply to: Justoneman

Actually if Global warming is as rapid as we are being warned AND if it does come to pass it does not mean that EVERYWHERE is going to become a desert or that everywhere is going to be flooded.

As the sea get's less salty with the melting of glaciers in arctic region's the Oceanic Conveyor a natural current that act's as a heat exchange mechanism and climate regulation mechanism in the ocean's - you will know the Atlantic stretch of it better as the Gulf Stream - will actually slow down, it will not therefore be able to warm Eastern North America and Western Europe as much as it does currently and this in turn will cause local cooling in these region's - which perversely may then initiate a climate swing into a new ice age - it was actually warmer than it is today before the start of the last Glacial period according to ice cores taken in Greenland.

Also anything that affects the Gulf stream/Global Oceanic Conveyor will also affect the Jet Stream an air current that blow's act's in the atmosphere in concert with the Ocean Conveyor.

So it is actually quite natural for some glaciers to grow during a period of warming as these control circulation system's slow down or are affected.

This does not mean that there is no Global warming however or that the theory is wrong but rather it mean's that a localized area is cooling while other area's are getting hotter AND it can also signal the start of a new ice age OR mini ice age.

Once again it does not mean that the theory of global warming is wrong but rather that nature may heal itself by FREEZING a lot of water, those budding lex luthor clone's could even be buying up the wrong real estate if that happens' as instead of land now far from the sea becoming tomorrow's beach front property it could actually leave many city's high and dry BUT at first they may indeed experience a sea level rise before the ice age climate trigger activates.

a reply to: LABTECH767

It is actually quite obvious we have been looking at a few centuries worth of information,with some cheated data being pushed by the UN and Al Gore, against more than just a few 100 Million years of geological information including knowledge of periods of high Ice content, that we are currently moving out of as part of a huge cycle.

If we are coming out of an Ice age it is going to be that sometimes the ice melts all the way and you are serving up the DOOM PORN.

a reply to: Justoneman

You do know that this information has been around for decades. Anyone who actually looked at the co2 studies has understood this from the beginning.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Actually if Global warming is as rapid as we are being warned AND if it does come to pass it does not mean that EVERYWHERE is going to become a desert or that everywhere is going to be flooded.

If I could win the lottery , I would retire in style

As the sea get's less salty

The sea cannot get "less salty" due to any means.
The ratio would change , but not the amount.

So it is actually quite natural for some glaciers to grow during a period of warming as these control circulation system's slow down or are affected.

Really ?
Do tell.
I believe that is called weather and climate.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Justoneman

Actually if Global warming is as rapid as we are being warned AND if it does come to pass it does not mean that EVERYWHERE is going to become a desert or that everywhere is going to be flooded.

As the sea get's less salty with the melting of glaciers in arctic region's the Oceanic Conveyor a natural current that act's as a heat exchange mechanism and climate regulation mechanism in the ocean's - you will know the Atlantic stretch of it better as the Gulf Stream - will actually slow down, it will not therefore be able to warm Eastern North America and Western Europe as much as it does currently and this in turn will cause local cooling in these region's - which perversely may then initiate a climate swing into a new ice age - it was actually warmer than it is today before the start of the last Glacial period according to ice cores taken in Greenland.

Also anything that affects the Gulf stream/Global Oceanic Conveyor will also affect the Jet Stream an air current that blow's act's in the atmosphere in concert with the Ocean Conveyor.

So it is actually quite natural for some glaciers to grow during a period of warming as these control circulation system's slow down or are affected.

This does not mean that there is no Global warming however or that the THEORY is wrong but rather it mean's that a localized area is cooling while other area's are getting hotter AND it can also signal the start of a new ice age OR mini ice age.

Once again it does not mean that the THEORY of global warming is wrong but rather that nature may heal itself by FREEZING a lot of water, those budding lex luthor clone's could even be buying up the wrong real estate if that happens' as instead of land now far from the sea becoming tomorrow's beach front property it could actually leave many city's high and dry BUT at first they may indeed experience a sea level rise before the ice age climate trigger activates.

What you are saying is that it is a theory?

Got it

Lol

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Justoneman

You do know that this information has been around for decades. Anyone who actually looked at the co2 studies has understood this from the beginning.

ON top of it ONLY being decades of so called Knowledge compared to Eons of data, your side are using a small range of temperature compared to the range of the measurement ability. All have failed predictions.

That's right FAILED. Find me a prediction they got right about the sea levels or swing in Temps. Clearly, it is about brainwashing for some to believe this lie you honor as truth.

: fiddle meet rosin on the bow

Here is another growing glacier. pubs.usgs.gov...

Something is changing, I think the way the energy flows through the earth is changing. The poles are moving a bit I think. Mining and underground water depletion may be part of the cause.