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When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom].
Consequently the fact that some writers do not mention the virgin conception of Christ does not in any way prove they rejected the doctrine or knew nothing of it.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: rickymouse
No it doesn't need communism or socialism, it needs love
Wealthy people can provide services for the poor, education, medical, advancement
We are not all equal
originally posted by: rickymouse
Jesus seemed to be a really good guy. He was filled to the rim with the Holy Spirit. I don't care if it was a virgin birth, his messages seem to be pretty good messages and if everyone followed his ways, this would be a nice planet. But of course, Religions twisted his words over the years, and Governments throughout history were pushing the religions to do their bidding or they would kill the members. Religions were forced to make pacts with rulers of Nations throughout history.
Lets concentrate on trying to make Jesus's real intentions create a great society. Oh yeah, that would almost be true communism or pure socialism, that won't ever happen. Time to come down off my fantasy cloud and get another cup of mud.
originally posted by: glend
a reply to: infolurker
Consequently the fact that some writers do not mention the virgin conception of Christ does not in any way prove they rejected the doctrine or knew nothing of it.
I do not accept that at all. Logically there's a possibility that a UFO has landed all our backyards because none of us have mentioned or denied it (scientifically thats more feasible than a virgin birth). But human nature being as it is, we would scream the house down, if a UFO did land our backyards. So of cause Paul would have used the virgin birth to empower his mission. But both Matthew and Luke are estimated to have been written after ~90AD by anonymous writers so the story of the virgin birth was not created until after Pauls death.
Seek not the law in your scriptures, for the law is life (no idea why I added this but it does sound cool).
originally posted by: infolurker
originally posted by: rickymouse
Jesus seemed to be a really good guy. He was filled to the rim with the Holy Spirit. I don't care if it was a virgin birth, his messages seem to be pretty good messages and if everyone followed his ways, this would be a nice planet. But of course, Religions twisted his words over the years, and Governments throughout history were pushing the religions to do their bidding or they would kill the members. Religions were forced to make pacts with rulers of Nations throughout history.
Lets concentrate on trying to make Jesus's real intentions create a great society. Oh yeah, that would almost be true communism or pure socialism, that won't ever happen. Time to come down off my fantasy cloud and get another cup of mud.
Actually no, Jesus intentions was to sacrifice himself for the payment for sin. For you and I so that we could enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus's kingdom is not of this earth, not until he returns to this earth for the millennial reign and that will be a just kingdom under his rule.
originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: infolurker
originally posted by: rickymouse
Jesus seemed to be a really good guy. He was filled to the rim with the Holy Spirit. I don't care if it was a virgin birth, his messages seem to be pretty good messages and if everyone followed his ways, this would be a nice planet. But of course, Religions twisted his words over the years, and Governments throughout history were pushing the religions to do their bidding or they would kill the members. Religions were forced to make pacts with rulers of Nations throughout history.
Lets concentrate on trying to make Jesus's real intentions create a great society. Oh yeah, that would almost be true communism or pure socialism, that won't ever happen. Time to come down off my fantasy cloud and get another cup of mud.
Actually no, Jesus intentions was to sacrifice himself for the payment for sin. For you and I so that we could enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus's kingdom is not of this earth, not until he returns to this earth for the millennial reign and that will be a just kingdom under his rule.
But skip the going to heaven dream, why can't we just make this place more like heaven. A place where we can all live symbiotically and kill off all those who try to rob us
originally posted by: madmac5150
I believe that the real truth of Christ resides within each and every one of us. Not a popular idea with the Romans. No structure. Constantine gave Christianity structure... Christianity became "law", but law dictated and enforced by man.
This is why the Gnostics were almost erased from history. Belief in a Christ that required no "middle-man" (clergy) was dangerous. They were driven underground.
I was once a Roman Catholic. I am now a Gnostic.
I do believe, however, that there is confusion between the Virgin Mary, and the deity "Sophia".
Sophia is the mother of creation... the Yin to the Yang. She has been re-labled as "The Holy Spirit" by a church that wanted to suppress the idea of a feminine deity.
Women, after all, have no place in religion...
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: rickymouse
Screwing down the little people
Communism and socialism doesn't change the human condition