Why Felons Can't Vote & Why They Should

originally posted by: Klassified
It has been my opinion for many years, that if you are a non-violent felon, and have done your time. You get your rights back. ALL of them. It'll never happen of course, because our system prefers to punish felons perpetually. Is it any wonder many end up homeless or dead after their release?

This is categorically untrue -- you can get your voting rights back if you are a felon -- it just can't be violent like you said. My brother is a felon, he also can vote -- it cost him money to get his voting rights back, but that's all it cost.

"Why can convicted felons run for office"? Well, if they stopped allowing for that, then all of the people who have ran for office wouldn't have ever had a chance to begin with.

There is a reason there are misdemeanors and Felonies.

Felonies are Felonies for a reason.

Change the Felony status of the crime to a misdemeanor if one doesn't agree.

I am not against preventing people who are not of good moral character from voting.
A Pot dealer may not be doing that much harm, but they are also well aware of the consequences, making a living selling drugs is premeditated. I wouldn't call a drug dealer someone of good moral character.

a reply to: Dwoodward85

You speak as if the system works, and was designed morally. The truth it is designed to oppress a certain section of society and you support it because you are not part of that society? My friend is a felon for assaulting a police officer. In truth it should have been called "insulting a police officer" as she mearlly pushed the officer out of the way causing no injury. If the system was moral and right her charge should have been obstruction of police (a misdemeanor) but the system is not moral and right nor just.

She took plea that gave her a felony conviction on her record and 10 years probation and 20 thousand dollars in fines and fees. In her eyes it was better having some freedom, and fighting it would have been a lost cause. Courts run off of perception of the truth, so 6 cops versus one "criminal" and her "criminal" friend is a no brain-er. Should she have pushed the cop, probably not the best idea... but should she deserve a lifetime of negative consequence for a mistake that lasted a moment? Surly not i would hope. The system is a revolving door cash cow criminal slavery corporation. IF you can't see it than just research a bit...

This kind of thing happens all the time, I hope you never have the experience to be on the wrong side of the "law"

a reply to: usernameconspiracy


LOL You are not well versed in law then. its surprising easy to become a felon. Ever hear of ignorance of the law is no excuse. a list of easy felonys:

1. Purchasing a car that is stolen. If you fail to properly investigate the vehicle your purchasing than you have committed a felony by trusting that little old lady on craigslist....

2. Offending a crooked member of law enforcement, who is a judge going to believe when a cop plants evidence?

3. Sleep with someone under the age of consent. You meet a girl at a bar and after several drinks take her home for a good night. Then realize she just looked old for 16 and the doorman didn't check id and neither did you in your intoxicated state.

4. A hacker uses your wifi hotspot to traffic child porn... You have no idea and he left no traces behind... (technically feasible, just feel lucky its not probable and child porn is under-investigated)

5. Did you know that something simple as providing false information on facebook can be considered wire fraud if they choose to prosecute. The laws on the subject are too vague and focus on the method of the action not the content.

So in fact it is easy to commit a felony without ill intention or an actual crime being committed by the person being prosecuted. I think you confuse being lucky and it being easy.... The system isnt as perfect as you perceive it to be...

a reply to: JesseVentura

Problem is laws were put into effect for the good of the people,laws are voted on,liberals are against laws because they think it pertains to everyone else,maybe 1 or 2% in prison might be guilty,but the rest belong in there,can tell how people have no idea what prisons are about,ask a prison guard or a jailer

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: JesseVentura

Problem is laws were put into effect for the good of the people,laws are voted on,liberals are against laws because they think it pertains to everyone else,maybe 1 or 2% in prison might be guilty,but the rest belong in there,can tell how people have no idea what prisons are about,ask a prison guard or a jailer

Conservatives vote against the First Amendment.
Now what?

I think once someone has served their jail time and is free and not on probation etc they should be allowed to vote. Someone in jail or on probation, No.

Also believe in voter ID and only legal US citizens should vote. So yep, I'm apparently a racist. Or are you a racist for assuming people of certain ethnicity are not able to get a legal valid form of identification?

They should be severely punished not vote

I don't know. I don't think the majority of them care. I mean only 50% of the voting population bothers to go and vote anyhow. I think it's a non-issue.

up till I was 40 my record was totally clean . But I stopped a fight between two teens .
Now yes I could have fought ad got charges dropped but the cost was to high lost work the money Justice is for the rich .
Besides they told me plead no contest and nothing will even show on my record Z> Should have known they lie .
So why should ZI have a misdemeanor on my record for the rest of my life over stopping a fight ?
This system is corrupt and justice is a joke always has been always will be .

up till I was 40 my record was totally clean . But I stopped a fight between two teens .
Now yes I could have fought ad got charges dropped but the cost was to high lost work the money Justice is for the rich .
Besides they told me plead no contest and nothing will even show on my record Z> Should have known they lie .
So why should ZI have a misdemeanor on my record for the rest of my life over stopping a fight ?
This system is corrupt and justice is a joke always has been always will be .