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rom12345
Things that exist have properties.
there are no things that exist with no properties.
existence can thus be describe as a state of having properties.
However, un-manifested potential may contain properties which do not yet exist.edit on 22-12-2013 by rom12345 because: (no reason given)
EnPassant
But the question is, What is it that has properties?
rom12345
reply to post by EnPassant
EnPassant
But the question is, What is it that has properties?
All that exists has properties.
Properties typically have values, most of which change constantly.
An instance of a concept can have the property "exists" : the value of which would be True.
If true, un-manifested concept can have properties, and thus exist as a potential or function.
If false, the properties of the concept are irrelevant.
I would not presume to know the properties of that which they call God.
edit on 22-12-2013 by rom12345 because: (no reason given)
Socrato
I think Existence is the essential property of everything we perceive, taken for granted. A thing without the property of Existence would not even be on our mental radar. Thus you can conclude that thoughts exist and anything you can think of exists somewhere. There may be a way to perceive a thing without Existence but I don't think humans can do such.
If nothing existed from the very beginning no universe could have arisen from it. This means there was something from the beginning from which the universe arose because the universe and everything in it is a property.
Xtraeme
reply to post by EnPassant
What I am trying to get across is something kind of odd.
"Existence is all the things that are, were, and will be."
That is how you are talking about existence.
Then I tried to illustrate that existence can also arguably more accurately represent things that currently exist.
So to continue with the example of the apple.
If we are talking about a real apple in a fruit basket in your home. There was a time it didn't exist. There is a time it does exist. And then there will be a time when it no longer exists.
There was even a time when the "template" of what an apple is didn't exist because the plant hadn't come into existence yet.
These two definitions hopefully get across what I see as being rather curious.
Existence is the whole "axis" and existence is also broken up into "manifested" (physical) and "not manifested" (imaginary).
I have this strange feeling that somehow the whole axis sort of folds in on itself over the half. Something like x*(3π/2) mod 2π.
If nothing existed from the very beginning no universe could have arisen from it. This means there was something from the beginning from which the universe arose because the universe and everything in it is a property.
I have a fairly unique view on zero (definition). So we probably would be speaking at cross-purposes if we were to get into the nothing → something debate, but I would love to take it further.
Thanks for the lively discussion.edit on 2013-12-23 by Xtraeme because: (no reason given)
Imaginary and actual things are properties.