US Military morale at unprecedented low; Obama building 'compliant officer class'

According to this news article, high ranking military officials are stating that the US Military's morale is at an unprecedented low due to Obama's purge of officers. Anyone who disagrees with his agenda are removed. Anyone who goes against him in anyway is removed. Obama is building a class of officers who totally comply with all of his policies. One officer says that things are so bad that there wasn't any public concern expressed by military officials over the end of 'don't ask, don't tell' or the decision to allow women in front-line combat.

According to a veteran Army intelligence official who spoke to WND on condition of anonymity, there is within the armed forces a major concern that a “compliant officer class” is being created by the Obama administration. So much so, he said, that it’s becoming harder to find “senior officers with a pair of balls in there [the military] now that would say no to anything.”
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Things are so bad that a large number of retired generals are speaking out and expressing their alarm over the high number of dismissals of high-ranking officials. It's unprecedented. And all this is doing is bringing down the morale of our troops to an all-time low, so much so, according to the officer, that their isn't even a will to fight a war or win it for that matter.

Retired Army Lt. Gen. William G. “Jerry” Boykin, who was a founding member of Delta Force and later deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence under President George W. Bush, says it is worrying that four-star generals are being retired at the rate that has occurred under Obama.
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Obama building 'compliant officer class'

Something like this should be of great concern to the American populace, but it's not. The MSM rarely covers any of this and the general public is totally unaware. I know, I know...the source for this news is from WND, but that's because the MSM won't give us the straight up on this. Sure, they cover the fact that some high-ranking officials have been removed, but it's the alternative news sources where we find out the why, when, where and how.

“I believe there is a purging of the military,” he said. “The problem is worse than we have ever seen.”

Boykin said the future of the military is an increasing concern because of the departure of key leaders.

“I talk to a lot of folks who don’t support where Obama is taking the military, but in the military they can’t say anything,” Boykin said.

As a consequence, he said, the lower grades have decided to leave, having been given the signal that there is no future in the military for them.


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So, what do you think ATS, does Obama have an ulterior motive for his purge of the military? Is he purposely weakening the United States Armed Forces or does he have other plans, or, do I have an overactive imagination? Go head, I can take it, but I personally believe this is more than just Obama trying to shape a military more to his ideology.

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Don't worry, you'll probably get a couple dozen S&F for this, the bar isn't very high. WND is a terrible terrible source so I find it hard to comment on the motivations behind something that may or may not be happening. It sounds far fetched to me. Taking over an entire military by replacing officers without starting from a coup/revolution/whatever is probably not something one could undertake in the span of a US President's term (or two), even if the absence of manufactured debt crises and battles like what has been going over the PPACA.

I guess I am not saying this isn't happening, or even possible, I am just wondering what Obama would gain from it. One way or the other he will be gone in a short while and will no longer be in a position to use a weak armed force command structure.

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Obama comes from a University background, Academia, Guys never lived in real world, let alone have any idea of defence military. You Americans really know how to vote Lemons in.

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You actually doubt that Obama is removing officers? Here are a few other sources

US military commanders being purged by Obama Administration

Obama accused of military purge

And from that source;

Among those officers:

Gen. Carter Ham was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command because he disagreed with orders not to mount a rescue effort in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on U.S. diplomatic personnel in Benghazi, Libya.
Rear Adm. Charles Gaouette, commander of Carrier Strike Group Three, was relieved of duty in October 2012 for disobeying orders when he sent his group to assist and provide intelligence for forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham, according to IBD.
Two nuclear commanders were fired in a single week — Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, head of the Air Force unit that maintains control of 450 intercontinental missiles, and Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, the No. 2 officer at U.S. Strategic Command. Carey was sacked "due to a loss of trust and confidence in his leadership and judgment," while Giardina lost his post for allegedly using counterfeit gambling chips at a casino.
Maj. Gen. Ralph Baker, commander of the Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa, was fired for alcohol use and sexual misconduct charges. Defense officials told CNN the reason was “loss of confidence.”
Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Charles Gurganus was terminated for questioning the "winning hearts and minds" policies that led to the murders of U.S. officers by Afghan recruits, according to FrontPage magazine.
Maj. Gen. Peter Fuller was relieved of his command in Afghanistan after he told a media source that Afghan President Hamid Karzai and other government officials were "isolated from reality."
On the last day of November 2011, the administration terminated 157 Air Force majors, citing budget shortfalls as the primary reason — a move that some legal experts said was illegal.

Why has Obama fired 197 military officers in 5 years

Some will say that its common for there to be a turnover of military officials in each president's administration but then why is Obama getting so much attention for it? Past presidents weren't accused of purging the military.

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So, what do you think ATS, does Obama have an ulterior motive for his purge of the military?

There is an ulterior motive behind the wholesale purge of generals and admirals but it's not Obama's. He simply the front man his handler's. I don't think US presidents really have that much power anymore and Obama is just a compliant puppet like his predecessor Bush.

What's the main goal here? Google "us military litmus test" and it will give you enough links to make your own determination. As the president has already bragged about "I'm really good at killing people" it shouldn't be a big leap to see his regard for human life is missing. Don't think that just because we're American he doesn't think the same about us.

Unfortunately the next one will probably be the same.

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I'm not sure about that one. No matter what you think about Bush, he had respect for the military, unlike this POTUS.

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Let's take a look at the sources:

From Breitbart.com’s Facebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given…

Ok, so the article on Breitbart.com is based on FACEBOOK COMMENTS. The News Max (Rupert Murdoch) site cites the Breitbart.com article (and apparently their Facebook page as a source, it's not clear) :

According to Breitbart.com, at least 197 officers, mostly at the rank of colonel or above, have been relieved of duty for a variety of reasons, or for no stated reason at all.

It goes on to list 8 officers and some very debatable alternative theories for why they lost their jobs and ends with:

On the last day of November 2011, the administration terminated 157 Air Force majors, citing budget shortfalls as the primary reason — a move that some legal experts said was illegal.

This has been covered quite a bit:

The Air Force insists it warned Mosley and officers like him that the service might force them out before they earned the retirement benefits that come with 20 years of service, if they didn’t win promotion to lieutenant colonel. “The Air Force appreciates and values the service and sacrifice of every airman,” adds Lieut. Colonel John L. Dorrian, an Air Force spokesman. “We are committed to easing separation transitions as much as possible.”

But troops like Mosley – due to custom, wishful thinking or informal guidance from superiors – always believed that once they made it to 14 years – within six of retirement – they would be able to stay in until hitting the 20-year mark, when they’d become eligible for a pension. “The Air Force had me playing by a set of rules for my entire career,” he says, “and all of a sudden, because money seemed to get a little tight, they changed the rules.”

source

And the last source is a wordpress site (didn't even change favicon ffs) with the tagline "This is a library of News Events not reported by the Main Stream Media documenting & connecting the dots on How the Obama Marxist Liberal agenda is destroying America" which cites as its source a PDF that somebody put together and threw on the Internet here.

All this adds up to a lot of nothing.

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Bush understood the military he didn’t respect them or he would have finished his tour. The war was as much about financial gains as anything else Dick Cheney old company Halliburton took over many duties soldiers used to do and they did a piss poor job of it all the while making some shareholders ultra-rich.

Substandard food, water, laundry services and other basics were the norm. Hell taking a shower where the water facility was run by those slobs was prone to giving you some sort of skin disease. Cutting corners on chlorine was an acceptable practice and that was just the tip of the iceberg.

You read stuff like this and you have to wonder how stupid people have to be to buy into it. Lets just forget the Obama was the first Dem. that crushed his GOP opponents in military donations in a very long time and that Obama is about as popular as any President in the military. Lets just forget all that. Lets just forget because of my past a large portion of the people I know are former or current members of the miliraty intelligence community and that they think I am wasting my time debating "crazy" people. Just what the hell is a compliant officer class? The officers are already compliant in case people have not noticed. However let us just pretend some how Obama is secretly removing officers, he does not get to pic their replacements so what would be the point? Also he leaves office in 2 years why would he bother? Considering that people at the highest postitons tend to only stay 2 to 3 years and either move up or retire how is this year any different than every other one? I get civilians are clueless about how things work in the military so you end with BS stoties like this or the banning of the dont tread on me patch etc. It just gets real old after awhile.

Rezlooper
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I'm not sure about that one. No matter what you think about Bush, he had respect for the military, unlike this POTUS.

Why do you think Bush had any particular heartfelt respect for the military? Because he donned a flight suit and said some BS under a "Mission Accomplished" banner? I suppose if sending people to their deaths over falsified claims of WMDs is respect, he sure was full of it.

If I was a planning for secret group bent on taking down the largest military force on the planet, it would probably go something like...

1) Install puppet to head of state.
2) Use puppet to flip over cards of military and intelligence (Osama's death, Snowden ect.)
3) Replace experienced military leaders
5) Do some revamping to nuclear first strike capabilities, shake it up a bit.

I have no Idea what I am taking about but I will say this: If America is not being gutted from the inside out right now... Ill eat my hat.

Well, I don't know about the whole "gutting" thing. We are only talking about 00.15 % of the officer corp. It really would take a lot more than that to "gut" it, I think.

MrSpad
You read stuff like this and you have to wonder how stupid people have to be to buy into it. Lets just forget the Obama was the first Dem. that crushed his GOP opponents in military donations in a very long time and that Obama is about as popular as any President in the military. Lets just forget all that. Lets just forget because of my past a large portion of the people I know are former or current members of the miliraty intelligence community and that they think I am wasting my time debating "crazy" people. Just what the hell is a compliant officer class? The officers are already compliant in case people have not noticed. Considering that people at the highest postitons tend to only stay 2 to 3 years and either move up or retire how is this year any different than every other one? I get civilians are clueless about how things work in the military so you end with BS stoties like this or the banning of the dont tread on me patch etc. It just gets real old after awhile.

So I commented without checking sources AGAIN! I could erase my post but I won't, I f'ed up, let em all bare witness; However, when you said:

However let us just pretend some how Obama is secretly removing officers, he does not get to pic their replacements so what would be the point? Also he leaves office in 2 years why would he bother?

I don't think it would matter who the replacements were If there was going to be a sudden military escalation. Switching up the team and management just before game time isn't an advantage from what I understand. Sure it may a drop in a bucket but sometimes that is all a betting man needs. And how many drops are there?

Anyway I get the feeling you might be a firecracker so don't read that as me taking a position on the OP BUT these are crazy times we live in. To hear people from a military organization that has been BS'd into the last (how many wars and conflicts?) call those that are suspicious of reports and motives "crazy" is frightening.

Rezlooper
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I'm not sure about that one. No matter what you think about Bush, he had respect for the military, unlike this POTUS.

Thats why we should respect his Wars? dont forget Afghanistan isn't doing great nor is Iraq even if American forces did stay behind in both of those countries for another 87 years 100 years things wouldn't be any better but rather worse.

MrSpad
Lets just forget because of my past a large portion of the people I know are former or current members of the miliraty intelligence community and that they think I am wasting my time debating "crazy" people.

We're not all crazy, bro! And, I get absolutely no sense of any concern from any of the officers at the O-6 level and below. They may be secretly wringing their hands hoping someone above them loses their head creating a vacancy.

Personally ... I think there are WAY too many officers in senior pay grades. If I miraculously became the POTUS tomorrow, there wouldn't be more than a couple handfuls of three and four star Generals/Admirals before the end of the day ... and it wouldn't be because I was out to 'destroy' the DoD either.

will you shoot your unarmed fellow countryman for being in the right...?

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OF COURSE

O is destroying the US military just as he is destroying the Republic of the US of A.

That's his orders from the globalist bosses.

They know that setting up more overtly their NWO tyrannical global government will be easier and faster on the ashes of the USA.

Besides, they HATE a patriotic USA military. They are determined to finish destroying the Constitution along with the nation. The patriotic military is in the way.

Gotta spend them stupidly in futility in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. in order to minimize their being able to defend CONUS when Russia, China, Iran, NK, Venezuela, et al attack the US at the ordered start of WW3--which can't be that many months or years off.

God alone will deal with such treason . . . though evidently after it has devastated the USA to within an inch of its life . . . sadly.

We have, as a nation, largely forsaken God and His priorities. He will discipline us severely for that.

Boykin is totally right. He's a true patriot telling it like it is. It's a wonder they haven't murdered him already.

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MrSpad
You read stuff like this and you have to wonder how stupid people have to be to buy into it. Lets just forget the Obama was the first Dem. that crushed his GOP opponents in military donations in a very long time and that Obama is about as popular as any President in the military. Lets just forget all that. Lets just forget because of my past a large portion of the people I know are former or current members of the miliraty intelligence community and that they think I am wasting my time debating "crazy" people. Just what the hell is a compliant officer class? The officers are already compliant in case people have not noticed. However let us just pretend some how Obama is secretly removing officers, he does not get to pic their replacements so what would be the point? Also he leaves office in 2 years why would he bother? Considering that people at the highest postitons tend to only stay 2 to 3 years and either move up or retire how is this year any different than every other one? I get civilians are clueless about how things work in the military so you end with BS stoties like this or the banning of the dont tread on me patch etc. It just gets real old after awhile.

so if it is just garbage why do you feel compelled to correct a crazy person....just curious?

your own statement reflects its just old...yet here you are correcting the crazies...

MALBOSIA
If I was a planning for secret group bent on taking down the largest military force on the planet, it would probably go something like...

1) Install puppet to head of state.
2) Use puppet to flip over cards of military and intelligence (Osama's death, Snowden ect.)
3) Replace experienced military leaders
5) Do some revamping to nuclear first strike capabilities, shake it up a bit.

I have no Idea what I am taking about but I will say this: If America is not being gutted from the inside out right now... Ill eat my hat.

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

And the Eloi shuffle along meekly toward the cavernous maws of the Morlachs . . . for dinner . . . as the main course . . . as scheduled . . . by the globalist oligarchy.

. . . today America is being gutted . . . makes it easier to gut the world tomorrow.