Cover-up of Comet ISON information continues - why?

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


Not everyone can watch videos.

It is customary to give a description.

Post the video, explain what it is, give an opinion.

It's not difficult.

Edit to add:

I don't agree with the OP.

Your posts have demonstrated that you don't even understand what's being talked about.

Your posts seriously make me want to reconsider my original stance.

You have proved nothing, so you don't get to say "no there's not".

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


And forgive me if I don't consider cometisonnews dot com a "major media outlet".

AlphaHawk
reply to post by Tallone

 

4. Comet ISONs eccentricity is slightly greater than 1. This means it is unlikely never to return again, although that would not be impossible. No comet before has ever been observed with an eccentricity greater than 1! Its orbit is therefore hyperbolic rather than the typical elliptical trajectory we are used to seeing in comets.

Just on this point, you're completely wrong.

Comet C/2011 L4 has an eccentricity of 1.000087

en.wikipedia.org...

And that was just a random one I picked.

Perhaps you should go and recheck your 'facts'.

Comet ISON's eccentricity is 1.000003457
www.dailymail.co.uk...

Alien space craft, ball or ice, an electric light bulb or a cosmic icecream cone?

reply to post by Tallone

Tallone
"Comet ISONs eccentricity is slightly greater than 1"

Comet ISON's eccentricity is 1.000003457

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reply to post by AlphaHawk


I think you two, and your buddies, should get out of the military disinformation computer room for a while.

reply to post by HoboHumpinSloboBabe

I'm still trying to get over your pic of the psyops team. That is really very funny.

At least they do try hard I guess. They have certainly been trying hard on this thread.

About the orbit of ISON around the sun. Yes, the eccentricity is indeed 1.000003457, and that is greater than 1, and that does means the chances of a return trip to our solar system is about the same as it landing outside the front gate tomorrow, well probably somewhat better than that.

Comet ISON’s Eccentricity

Any object orbiting the Sun in a closed loop has to have an eccentricity between 0 and 1. If that orbit is in a circular fashion like our own planet’s, its eccentricity will be close to 0. Earth’s eccentricity is around 0.017 which means its orbit is very circular (although not perfect)! However, an object with an eccentricity close to 1 could take tens of thousands of years to complete an orbit as the orbit will be very elliptical.

Comet ISON’s eccentricity is 1.000003457 – just ‘over’ 1! If you’ve not already worked this out for yourself, this suggests that its presence in our Solar System is an event that has never happened before and will never happen again. Instead of it having a highly elliptical orbit around our Sun, it seems ISON is just passing through.

SOURCE

HoboHumpinSloboBabe
I think you two, and your buddies, should get out of the military disinformation computer room for a while.

Oh thats nice.
Asking people to *see for themselves* rather than trust anyone else, is "disinformation" now???
My goodness the definition has expanded in recent times.

reply to post by Dr1Akula

I never realized the principles of astronomy were a ''bible dogma'' that can't be evolved or change no matter how many new things we discover about nature,the universe...!

They are not. It is Tallone who believes they are, as you would know if you read the post I was responding to:

Whenever the status quo is attacked it generally responds. This is what is happening right now. We have had the Angry Astronomers defending their fortress of expertise from a perceived attack (happens all the time in science - it is the stuff of scientific debate in the final analysis). Hopefully the removal of this thread from the Space Exploration forum and into ATS Skunk Works (ta ta ta daaa!) will please the racoon and his/her friends. I did not mean to undermine the principles of astronomy - a subject of particular interest for me.

My response was was based on the fact that practitioners of "fringe science" are motivated not by love of truth, as witnessed by the falsehoods in the OP, but on a desire to subvert a perceived orthodoxy. Tallone gave you a star because he is so unconscious of his motivations that he thought that your critique applied to me, rather than him!

I think a cover up of information about the anomalies observed in Comet ISON and what they mean for us here on Earth centres on the impact such knowledge would have on humanity. Firstly, there is the impact on the global economy, and secondly, there is the impact on mainstream science as it has been taught to us, particularly physics. The two are actually very much tied to each other as I have pointed out already above.

Comet ISON heralds a brand new era. Now if you doubt a cover up over ISON just consider that this has all happened before, a long time ago. Back in 1642 as a matter of fact, when the Church attempted to squash Galileo's revelation that the Earth revolves around the Sun. There are far more recent cover ups over the past decade I have already pointed out, but the Pope and Galileo 'bit of a tiff' seems appropriate at this moment.

What we will get to see in just a few short days is something incredible.

Comet ISON is likely to prove the theory of the electric universe is a reality. This is what TPTB do not want us to know, at least not right now, and not while they are alive apparently.

Oil and gas is the driving force of our economy, perhaps the lynchpin is more apt, because I think the workers (us) are the real driving force. We will all see that electrical current can be pulled from Space, that it is all around us. It is free - virtually. Once we realise this it is going to destroy the stock markets, the financial markets as we know them. We will need to rebuild it all again, only much better and on the basis of equality for all. TPTB will no longer take the form of the parasitic layer of ruling elite. TPTB in the future are us - all of us.


Now the Mercury, Sun, ISON conjunction from Earth will be something like this.



Another perspective of the same conjunction, this time looking behind the Sun.



Looking up from your POV on the ground - at the plasma connection between Comet ISON above Mercury (and Saturn and the Sun below the horizon).



When Comet ISON comes closest to Mercury - in just two more days we may well get to see something like this in our night sky - plasma connecting planets (although the planets and plasma won't of course look THAT big the image does give you a general idea).



This is the plasma connection that will run between the Sun, Saturn, Mercury, and ISON. See this for an idea.



What we are going to see is the electrical nature of our universe.



And when Comet ISON passes at it's closest point to Earth we will see the plasma effects in our own sky just as the ancients probably did at some time when a similar event occurred.



All of these images come from part 2 of the interview below - the two Youtube available videos are embedded here.

'Comet ISON Interview (Part 1), What to expect and see in Nov-Dec 2013 posted by David Stig Hansen. It consists of an Interview on the subject of Electrical Phenomenon & Worldwide Power Disruptions, Nov-Dec 2013.



'Comet ISON Interview (Part 2), What to expect and see in Nov-Dec 2013 posted by David Stig Hansen. It consists of an Interview on the subject of Electrical Phenomenon & Worldwide Power Disruptions, Nov-Dec 2013.




If you have not read the first part of my OP on the first page of the thread please do so, and make sure you watch the video I embedded in it titled 'The Electric Comet'. As they say - - - you have nothing to lose but your chains.

reply to post by Tallone

I think a cover up of information about the anomalies observed in Comet ISON and what they mean for us here on Earth centres on the impact such knowledge would have firstly, on the global economy, and secondly, on mainstream science as it has been taught to us, particularly physics. The two impacts are actually tied together as I have pointed out already above.

So you are going to continue to assert that there is a cover up, without providing any evidence that there is. It is also hard to miss the apocalyptic tone you are adopting. Yes, you, Tallone, are truly a voice in the wilderness, prophet of the new age of science. Oh brother...

Comet ISON heralds a brand new era. Now if you doubt a cover up over ISON just consider that this has all happened before, a long time ago. Back in 1642 as a matter of fact, when the Church attempted to squash Galileo's revelation that the Earth revolves around the Sun. There are far more recent cover ups over the past decade I have already pointed out, but the Pope and Galileo 'bit of a tiff' seems appropriate at this moment.

And, like any crank, you compare yourself to Galileo. Anyone could look through a telescope and see that Galileo was correct, which is why the Church could not successfully "squash" his "revelation." (Galileo himself would be baffled by your use of the word "revelation" in respect to his observations. Why do you persist in using religious language when discussing science?) Please enumerate the far more recent cover ups... they seem to have gotten lost in your self important ramblings.

Anyway, thank you for posting some pretty pictures of what EU theory predicts. I trust that if these things don't happen, you will abandon it.

ParasuvO
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

You have no idea how big this comet is, so I am not sure why you are trying to tell us how much bigger it needs to be.

Funny how science stands in the way of itself on a regular basis, gotta be proven totally wrong, several times before the rules of physics get altered, AGAIN and AGAIN.

Oh wait, it is all theories presented as facts, until they are changed!!

And this is the greatest system we can ever have too. !!

You do realize how large an object is can be found out by using physics and observational data, yes?

Orbital Mechanics allows us to understand how objects with mass behave in a gravitational field. We understand this quite well. If not, you would not be enjoying things like Weather Satellites, GPS, and Telecommunications.

So how does Orbital Mechanics and Mass tell us what the size of something is? Simple.
First we have to observe how something is moving through space. This can take either a short amount of time, or a longer period based on how far the object is, and how fast it's moving. Once we have enough data on how much something has moved, in what direction and it's distance (distance of close objects in space is determined using Parallax) we are able to plot it's orbit (if it has one), and once we have the information of an object's orbit or shape of it's passage is going to be around the sun, that tells us what the object's mass is to start (as an object is observed for longer periods, it's orbit or passage becomes more refined, and the numbers will change).

Once you have an object's mass, finding out it's size is not all that hard. First we need to determine what it's made of. Using spectral analysis of light reflected from an object helps determine what is at least on the surface of an object. Knowing it's mass and now at least what it is partly made of tells us it's Density.

Once you know an object's density and mass, you can figure out it's volume (or size) using simple math.

For new objects discovered in our solar system, determining it's mass, density and size can take time (space is big and not all these objects are moving fast) because the observational data can take a long time to gather, hence numbers will change over time.

C/2012 S1 ISON has been observed by all of us here on Earth for over a year now. We (professional astronomers and amateur astronomers) have been recording it's path, speed and behavior during that time. Astronomers at universities and observatories have the spectral analysis equipment (no space agencies needed, sorry). Using the above, has allowed us to determine that it's nucleus is approximately 3.1 miles wide.

reply to post by Tallone


Question: If none of the things you've shown in your post are observed as C/2012 S1 ISON passes by, survives it's sun dive, and then leaves, will you still believe that there is a cover up?

Will you still believe in EU?

Part of the scientific method is observing your data after a experiment, or predictions of something will do to go from "theory" to "fact".
If this comet does none of the things you listed........doesn't that mean that the evidence supporting your EU theory is not there?

reply to post by HoboHumpinSloboBabe

I think you better go and have a read of what was said again.

My response, the one you quoted and are trying to be smart about was to this statement made by the OP:

No comet before has ever been observed with an eccentricity greater than 1!

I gave an example of another comet that had an eccentricity greater than 1.

Showing the OP to be wrong.

But it's ok, you keep on doing whatever it is you're doing...

eriktheawful
If this comet does none of the things you listed........doesn't that mean that the evidence supporting your EU theory is not there?

It wont stop them.
There was a bunch of "electric universe" kooks a few years ago when comet Elenin was approching. They were saying exactly the same things then as now. Coverup by NASA, coverup by the media, "why no high res photos?", predictions of interactions with the planets and sun, claims of all sorts of weird stuff with no evidence etc...

Then nothing actually happened and comet Elenin went away.

The "electric universe" kooks stayed here though. The cycle continues.

Edit - here are some random comet Elenin/Electric Universe threads, so people can see now that they never learned from their mistakes...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It appears that Elenin under infared is carrying quite a large EM electrical charge, and in the Electric Universe Theory, comets are capacitors, also NASA's own research has suggested as such concerning comets. This comet is carrying enough charge to create possible earthquakes in allignments, and it may do some serious damage to our electrical, or cause a surge via the sun in CME's, there is so much to consider regarding Elenin, and how its role could add to increasing frequency of earth changes, even to pole shift levels.

AlphaHawk
reply to post by HoboHumpinSloboBabe

 

I think you better go and have a read of what was said again.

My response, the one you quoted and are trying to be smart about was to this statement made by the OP:

No comet before has ever been observed with an eccentricity greater than 1!

I gave an example of another comet that had an eccentricity greater than 1.

Showing the OP to be wrong.

But it's ok, you keep on doing whatever it is you're doing...

Yes. There are several comets that have eccentricity greater than 1. Here is a link to the minor planet center, the 5th column of data from the left lists the comet's eccentricity:

Minor Planet Center Comet List

Among those are:

C/2006 S3 (LONEOS)
C/2008 FK75 (Lemon-Siding Spring)
C/2008 S3 (Boattini)

Just to name a few (there are over 30 on the list).

So saying that C/2012 S1 ISON is the only comet discovered with a eccentricity greater than 1.0.......is wrong, and shows lack of research.

reply to post by alfa1


Well I won't call anyone that wants to believe in EU theory "kooks" or anything like that. I'm sure people thought Copernicus was a "kook" too, heh.

However, EU as a theory does fail in several aspects, and until EU theorists can come up with answers for why it fails there (or another model that explains those gaps), EU will never be accepted or entertained seriously by the scientific community.

Does not have anything to do with "dogma" at all. It has to do with being able to back up your theories with as much supporting evidence and facts as possible. Else it isn't really even a theory, but only a hypothesis.

What helps something like that gain support and credibility is for actual scientists to be able to observe data that supports it, run experiments that can be repeated showing the same results over and over again, and of course publication of all of the above.

So far, not much headway has been made with EU in this regard. Instead what I mostly see is groups of people claiming that EU theory is true, simply because they want it to be true. That smacks of "Faith" and "Belief", not empirical scientific data that's been tested over and over with the same results.

But if believing in EU makes some people happy, I say "to each their own." And if I or others point out things that are wrong with EU, and it makes them grumpy, abusive or insulting, that's their problem.

eriktheawful
Well I won't call anyone that wants to believe in EU theory "kooks" or anything like that. I'm sure people thought Copernicus was a "kook" too, heh.

My attitude comes from what I read here on ATS, where it shows EU adherents are very deeply entrenched into the whole doomsdayer world ending attitude.

** Astronomers looks at comets and see harmless "dirty snowballs".

** Electric Universers look at comets and see "Worldwide Power Disruptions", "X flares", "its going to increase radiation on earth", earthquakes, "the resulting photon flare up will engulf the Earth", "the photon flash will be so great that it will instantly turn everything on the Earth’s surface into light", CME's, pole shifts, "earth changes", "elevated electron levels", "can cause fault slippage", "an extinction level event", "another Carrington event", "economic collapse", changes in "vibrations", blackouts, increase in crime, looting and pillaging, emitting X rays, causing the sun to go dim, affects on our magnetic field, energized changes on Earth, "super storms", "radio disruption", "dangerous", TPTB censorship and coverups, TPTB false flags, influencing weather, people will behave differently,
"a major major super huge thing", "this is exactly like armageddon", and "...there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it except panic."

And all of that, just from three references on this one ATS thread page.

If this is a electromagnetic comet, why has it not been seen before in any of the others comets that gave came by?

I hope it hits us