No. 2 US nuke commander suspended amid probe

Is there more to this story than meets the eye.
This is how conspiracies get started.
Why is he being investigated ? and for what ?
Who is doing the investigating ? and why is that a secret ?
Is this timely to something bigger ? why now ?




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reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE

Great find OHD!
This story is very disturbing...and sounds a lot like potential espionage.

reply to post by IAMTAT


Gambling issues?

Two senior U.S. officials familiar with the investigation said it is related to gambling issues. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the probe in incomplete.

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Wow!! Check this out....

Montana nuke officer replaced

"MALMSTROM AIR FORCE BASE, Mont. (AP) — The Air Force has removed the commander of a nuclear weapons unit at a Montana base following a failed safety and security inspection that marked the second major misstep this year for one of the military's most sensitive"

But then they say...

" They say it is not the result of the failed inspection this month first reported by The Associated Press on Aug. 13."

Something fishy???

Dots dots dots The Navy yard shooting has nothing to do w/ this right?

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE


He probably filled out his questionnaire and made it know he would refuse to fire on American citizens......that's a no no and definite career ending move in the US military now a days.....

reply to post by seeker1963


Paranoid, much. I think that it's far more likely that under-investment in the missile department is coming back to bite the Pentagon on the ass.

If it is found that he did wrong, please don't retire him with a nice pension. Reassign him to chipping paint on some navy rust bucket in a far off ocean. Add pirate territory if possible.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

Paranoid, much. I think that it's far more likely that under-investment in the missile department is coming back to bite the Pentagon on the ass.

What's paranoid about speaking out against a question our active duty is actually being asked to answer???

Gambling problem??? Really???

The only way he would get whacked for that is if it was effecting his job! There is much more to this story than the guy liking to gamble......

I suppose our military isn't having urban drills either in your eyes?

Gambling ?

Yeah right.

I 'bet' he's been playing craps with Putin !!!

Pretty interesting, and disturbing given the recent removal from duties at those silo's a few months ago.

Questions I have about this particular case. The article says it's gambling related. I don't know what kind of gambling problem you'd have to poses to be relieved in the Navy though. I'm sure it's much more than dropping a couple grand at the nearest Casino ( Indian or Corporate). A Vice Admiral could afford that, and I don't think it would be a big deal. This probably involves one or more of the following: gambling with subordinates, illegal gambling, excessive legal gambling, excessive debt incurred due to gambling. Someone in his position whose indescretions (even if legal) have exposed them to the potential of blackmail or bribery would be relieved.

If any of the above are true it's a big deal for him and his command but people are fallible, and sometimes even otherwise decent people let their vices get the best of him.

In the big picture I'm even more concerned if not down right fearful about two things.

The first is that the caliber and proficiency of the people in our nuclear forces seems to have markedly decreased of late. Exactly why is that? Is it funding which is directly related to training time or something in the selection process for those in that field seriously flawed? We know the Navy has an issue with background checks at lower levels it would be extremely disturbing to find those same problems at this echelon, since such checks should surely be conducted by no lesser an agency than the FBI, right?

The second fear and less likely ( I hope) is that there is a purge of officers in this command that is going on for reasons that cannot be to the benefit of the citizens of the US or even the world given the terrible responsibilities placed on these people.

I can't really say too much on this, or speculate too much.... but having a guy with lots of military intel and authority, who also has major gambling / financial issues, can be a huge risk. Theoretically speaking, those guys are much easier to "get to."



"Hey there, Mr important military guy.... I know you're $200,000 in the hole, and you've got some nasty bookie making threats, but I know some chinese guys who can make that all go away for you, if you just...."

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE


I'm not saying there's no conspiracy here, but:

Security Clearance Help

WHAT SECURITY CONCERNS ARE RAISED BY GAMBLING DEBTS?

Gambling debts may:

• Compromise one’s financial stability.

• Cause problems with family and work.

• Prompt some individuals to engage in illegal activities, including espionage, as a means of covering their losses.

That's why you don't want people in high-security jobs gambling.

Again: I know there's a lot of #### coming down right now, and we're constantly being lied to about everything under the sun—and there could indeed be a conspiracy. But not necessarily....

reply to post by seeker1963


The two easiest ways to turn people are sex and money. If he has a gambling problem that leaves him open to someone trying to get him to spy for them in return for dealing with his debts. Being the second in command of missiles in the US you think MAYBE he knows a few things and people would want to find them out?

reply to post by Zaphod58

The two easiest ways to turn people are sex and money. If he has a gambling problem that leaves him open to someone trying to get him to spy for them in return for dealing with his debts. Being the second in command of missiles in the US you think MAYBE he knows a few things and people would want to find them out?

Very true! That is an angle I didn't think of.......

It still leaves a lot of possibilities as to why this happened and the vague explanation of why it happened.

reply to post by seeker1963

you do understand that gambling can be considered an addiction..one that could make you beholding to others if you find yourself owing alot of money
i wouldnt want any kind of addict being in charge of a nuclear arsenal..not saying he is or isnt but the possability is there
oops i see someone brought that up

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The No. 2 officer at the military command in charge of all U.S. nuclear war-fighting forces is suspected in a case involving counterfeit gambling chips at a western Iowa casino and has been suspended from his duties, officials said.

Using counterfeit gambling chips would be a big NONO.