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poet1b
This is a major victory for Obama, and Putin. They get to claim credit for making a difference, without ever having to put boots on the ground.
But wait for it, soon the anti-Obama crowd with be claiming about how Obama should have invaded Syria, and calling him a wimp.
luciddream
reply to post by Amagnon
No matter what Kerry and Obama do from this point, they are criminals - filthy war criminals - they should be hanged.
Yeah agree, but first, when is bush hanging?
Oh right.
poet1b
This is a major victory for Obama, and Putin. They get to claim credit for making a difference, without ever having to put boots on the ground.
But wait for it, soon the anti-Obama crowd with be claiming about how Obama should have invaded Syria, and calling him a wimp.
Our original post — 'U.S. Threats' Did Not Influence His Decision, Assad Says:
Though the U.S. and its allies say the threat of military force has led Syrian President Bashar Assad to endorse a Russian plan for ceding control of his chemical weapons, the Syrian leader says "U.S. threats did not influence the decision."
Russia's RT.com newssite says Assad has told another Russian news channel that "Syria is handing over its chemical weapons under international supervision because of Russia," not any pressure brought by the Obama administration's talk of missile strikes.
Iraq is too unstable (by design) and more than 2/3 are Shiite (big issue with the Saudi and Qatar Monarchies)
Qatar and the Saudis are interested in a direct gas pipeline to Syria (shorter total distance).
From there, a small distance would tie into the proposed Turkey pipelines to Austria (if that ever happens).
Russia is successfully stalling all of the above.
Qatar and the Saudis might be interested in tying into the existing Arab Pipeline that now runs from Egypt, through Jordan and into Syria.
Part of the Arab Pipeline is shutdown (going to Israel [aww]), and the line going to Jordan/Syria is slow because Egypt can't deliver the volume (all by design because the Saudis back one side in Egypt, and Qatar backs the other side -- (even though they are partners ! -- sounds familiar !!).
Obama floated a diplomatic solution to the Russians, and got Putin to take the bait.
poet1b
reply to post by superman2012
Sort of,
I don't think Obama supports the rebels.
It looks like Putin supports both sides of this war, it favors Russia.
And this is, after all, an ancient Muslim conflict.
Maybe Obama stumble upon this solution, or it could be a masterful stroke.
poet1b
reply to post by sonnny1
Then you should applaud this move by Obama, to be willing to stop the call for invasion and give diplomacy a chance.
Cause your earlier post sure sounded pro-war.
poet1b
reply to post by superman2012
Sort of,
I don't think Obama supports the rebels.
It looks like Putin supports both sides of this war, it favors Russia.
And this is, after all, an ancient Muslim conflict.
Maybe Obama stumble upon this solution, or it could be a masterful stroke.
canucks555
Obama threatens to bomb the Assad Regime...
Putin wets his pants at the thought of his "boy" being smacked around like a small, frightened child,
Bends over backward in a panic, Will do anything to hold onto power in the region,
demands Assad gives up his weapons pronto...
Victory lap for Obama.
Pretty hard not to come up with that conclusion, that is if you're not a supporter of murderous dictators like Assad and haters of freedom (Like Putin and his fans here on ATS).
edit on 13-9-2013 by canucks555 because: (no reason given)
justwokeup
canucks555
Obama threatens to bomb the Assad Regime...
Putin wets his pants at the thought of his "boy" being smacked around like a small, frightened child,
Bends over backward in a panic, Will do anything to hold onto power in the region,
demands Assad gives up his weapons pronto...
Victory lap for Obama.
Pretty hard not to come up with that conclusion, that is if you're not a supporter of murderous dictators like Assad and haters of freedom (Like Putin and his fans here on ATS).
edit on 13-9-2013 by canucks555 because: (no reason given)
The US, UK Gulf Arab goal is to get rid of the regime (because it further their interest). The Russian, Iranian, Chinese goal is to keep the regime in power (because it furthers their interest).
The chemical weapons issue is the necessary excuse that the western side needs to get its populations to agree to go killing. Its also something the russians don't care about and are happy to force Assad to give away.
Neither power block really gives a # about the people dying. If they did they would have forced a negotiation rather then pouring weapons and support in on the side of their choice (as all sides have been doing).
Its currently a stalemate, entirely devoid of morality or good intentions on both sides.
borracho
reply to post by sonnny1
I was thinking of the irony of it all. Our Nobel Peace Prize winning President was pushing for war until an ex KGB agent stepped in with a peaceful solution. Hmmm.
ArtooDetoo
"Obama got slapped", that should be the title of this thread.