Jesus is Lucifer the Hidden Unicorn : Saturn-Pan, God of All Time. (ArtiFACT)

I'm not quitting or anything, I've just been really busy.
I intended to post more every day all week but didn't get around to it.
At best I have had only 15 minutes at a time to check the news before being distracted and sidetracked.

However I have remembered some obscure stuff that I keep track of in a note pad.

So far I still have 15 to 20 major issues to cover on my list, and although each of them are worthy of their own threads I do intend to just toss most of that information here in this thread because I don't want to have to organize all of it.

When I posted this thread my intention was just to
1) Get the initial information out asap
and
2) To serve as a place to post further ideas as time passes.

So I still do plan to continue adding to this.

But I need time and isolation so I can concentrate and focus. Also I need to "get into the flow" in order to really do justice to any of these topics.

I will add more and patience is a virtue.
Just subscribe and have it update you when new posts are made to make it easy to check over time.

Also I am nonplussed about the lack of community feedback.
I need interaction so I can know someone actually understands what I am talking about.
Or to question and challenge it to test it's merits.
Otherwise I feel like I am just raving at a wall.

I knew beforehand that some people would call it all crazy (without bothering to read or understand any of it), that others would freak out and say I am going to hell or something like that, etc.

There have been some good on topic posts but they are few and far between.

Even if there is no decent feedback I guess I will continue adding anyways because I need a place to stash some of these ideas for further reference/linking in the future.
Will continue posting as time permits and when my mind is focused.

reply to post by muzzleflash


....rrrright.

well... im too tired to respond to these kind of ignorant Nonsense.

besides,
im appalled it has "52 flags" -
not because of the number - i heartly wish them for you -
but because it shows, there s a serious Insanity going on here.


sad regards

wow this is pretty out there...

you definitely have a unique perspective, .. Lucifer is also referred to as the morning star/Lightbringer which corresponds to the planet Venus not saturn

It's pretty cool how you find alternative meaning in certain things, i have often thought that in our universe everything has an an alternative meaning like a code within a code if you will but to be honest i try not to spend too much of my time looking for examples for fear i may drive myself insane!

Angels....

Angels are Harpies, because they play the Harp see?
The Angles of the Zodiac undergoing metamorphosis, harbingers.
The Harpy Brood. The Swarm that serves the Queen.

The Trump's trumpet represents the breath/speech/voice which describes creation itself.
It means to 'surpass or beat'.
It's also associated with deception:

trump (v.)
"fabricate, devise," 1690s, from trump "deceive, cheat" (1510s), from Middle English trumpen (late 14c.), from Old French tromper "deceive," of uncertain origin, perhaps from a verb meaning "to blow a trumpet." Related: Trumped; trumping. Trumped up "false, concocted" first recorded 1728.

Our mouth/voice is our own 'trumpet', or 'whistle', or whatever wind instrument just as the screech of the harpy is the trumpet of the deity. That's why the Angel's Trumpets are associated with horrific unbearable sounds.
The Harpy eats people too because God's hungry.

The "hunger" of 'Galactus' is insatiable, you know that "Destroyer of Worlds", Shiva, Sekmet the Cobra???
All Seeing One Eyed Lion-Serpent?

The Demiurge, Ialdabaoth
The "Son of Chaos", the "Royal Seed of God", you know, Jesus Christ and the Devil?
The two faces of Janus...

Phanes is represented with the mask of a lion’s head on his breast, while from his sides the heads of a ram and a buck are budding forth: his body is encircled by a snake. This type was accepted by the Mithras mysteries, to indicate Aion, the new year, and Mithras, whose numerical value is 365. Sometimes he is also identified with Jao Adonai, the creator of the Hebrews. His hieratic attitude indicates Egyptian origin. The same is true of the monstrous figure with the head of a lion, which symbolises Time, Chronos, in Mithraism; Alexandrian origin of this type is probable.[26]

Phanes (Ancient Greek: Φάνης, from φαίνω, phainō, "I bring to light"), or Protogonos (Greek: Πρωτογόνος, "First-born"), was the mystic primeval deity of procreation and the generation of new life, who was introduced into Greek mythology by the Orphic tradition; other names for this Classical Greek Orphic concept included Ericapaeus (Ἠρικαπαῖος or Ἠρικεπαῖος "power"[citation needed]) and Metis ("thought"). In these myths Phanes is often equated with Eros and Mithras and has been depicted as a deity emerging from a cosmic egg, entwined with a serpent. He had a helmet and had broad, golden wings.

Phanes was believed to have been hatched from the World-Egg of Chronos (Time) and Ananke (Necessity). His older wife Nyx (Night) called him Protogenus. As she created nighttime, he created daytime. He also created the method of creation by mingling. He was made the ruler of the deities and passed the sceptre to Nyx. This new Orphic tradition states that Nyx later gave the sceptre to her son Uranos before it passed to Cronus and then to Zeus, who retained it.

Try not to confuse these things, "Fuse them" instead. Fusion is making connections, whereas fission is breaking them. This applies directly to discerning hidden truths out of all of the issues one may encounter in life. Read in between the lines so to speak. The "small print at the bottom".

“Samael” literally means “Blind God” or “God of the Blind” in Aramaic (Syriac sæmʻa-ʼel). This being is considered not only blind, or ignorant of its own origins, but may in addition be evil; its name is also found in Judaica as the Angel of Death and in Christian demonology. This leads to a further comparison with Satan. Another alternative title for the Demiurge, “Saklas,” is Aramaic for “fool” (Syriac sækla “the foolish one”).

The angelic name "Ariel" (meaning "the lion of God" in Hebrew)[27] has also been used to refer to the Demiurge, and is called his "perfect" name;[28] in some Gnostic lore, Ariel has been called an ancient or original name for Ialdabaoth.[29] The name has also been inscribed on amulets as "Ariel Ialdabaoth",[30][31] and the figure of the archon inscribed with "Aariel".[32]

Who is the "Blind God" Samael?

Why of course Iustitia, Lady Justice, Dike, Themis, Raguel the Angel, aka 'Astraea the Star Maiden'.
Daughter of the Sun and Moon, Light and Dark, etc.

According to Ovid, Astraea abandoned the earth during the Iron Age.[3] Fleeing from the new wickedness of humanity, she ascended to heaven to become the constellation Virgo the nearby constellation Libra[citation needed], reflected in her symbolic association with Justitia in Latin culture. In the Tarot, the 8th card, Justice, with a figure of Justitia, can thus be considered related to the figure of Astraea on historical iconographic grounds.

Astraea
Lady Justice
Mara in Buddhism
Yama (Death)

This is a continuation of the post above, I didn't have room for these pics so here are some to illustrate what I am discussing here:












The last ones are from items called "Crosiers". A "Ceremonial Staff".
Used often in Christianity among other places.

Crosier Wiki

A crosier (crozier, pastoral staff, paterissa, pósokh) is the stylized staff of office (pastoral staff) carried by high-ranking Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and some Lutheran and Pentecostal prelates. The other typical insignia of most of these prelates, but not all, are the mitre, pectoral cross, and the episcopal ring.

The religious use of a shepherd's crook as a crosier has its origin in Ancient Egypt.
The Egyptian kings bore a shepherd's crook

'heqa' (ḥq3), 'heka' (ḥk3), or

'auet' (ˁwt) as one of their ruling insignia. See also the article on the Hyksos.
Later the shepherd's crook was adopted as a religious ruling insignia by the Christian clergy.[1]

So it's the Shepard's Crook of Egypt, the Staff of the Lion-Serpent of God, the Jesus-Satan duality of All Things.

Remember Heka is one of the variants of the All-God?

Heka (/ˈhɛkə/; Egyptian: Ḥkȝ; also spelt Hike) was the deification of magic in Egyptian mythology, his name being the Egyptian word for "magic". According to Egyptian writing (Coffin text, spell 261), Heka existed "before duality had yet come into being." The term "Heka" was also used for the practice of magical ritual. The Coptic word "hik" is derived from the Ancient Egyptian.

Heka = Chaos
Something Comes Out of Nothing = Magic
Inexplicable, Unexplained, Mysterious, Hidden.

WHY are Priests carrying the magical staff of the lion-serpent?
The same reason that Lady Justice presides over a system of injustice?
Because she's blind so therefore cannot tell which scale weighs more than the others as she isn't allowed to touch them as to improperly imbalance them.

I don't know about you but I want someone with good vision judging my actions and the facts. I don't want some blindfolded judge who cannot see light of truth.

Our courtroom judges are essentially religious officials.
Check out the Book of Judges in the Bible.
Judah, Judge, Jury, Judaic Law, and Judge Judy.

Of course it's Judge "Judy" because Juno/Judy is the Goddess of Law.
That Uni of the Etruscans.

The 'Judge of the Gods', Thoth aka Ham/Chem/Hermes/Mercury etc.
(Gray/Silver Hermaphrodite)

The harping harpies playing their harps are actually hidden Sphinxes symbolically.

I will reveal this by merely looking into the infamous Hope Diamond and discovering it's history.

It has been described as the "most famous diamond in the world".[8]

According to specious accounts in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, the original form of the Hope Diamond was stolen from an eye of a sculpted statue of the goddess Sita, the wife of Rama, the seventh Avatar of Vishnu.

It's the Eye of Sita, the Sitting Mother Goddess, Cassiopeia, "Mama Sita" which in common Hispanic-American English means the hottest or # 1 babe.
Narcissism is also a central component of the Cassiopeia mythology.

Cassiopeia has been variously portrayed throughout her history as a constellation. In Persia, she was drawn by al-Sufi as a queen holding a staff with a crescent moon in her right hand, wearing a crown. In France, she was portrayed as having a marble throne and a palm leaf in her left hand, holding her robe in her right hand.

In the 1600s, various Biblical figures were depicted in the stars of Cassiopeia. These included Bathsheba, Solomon's mother; Deborah, an Old Testament prophet; and Mary Magdalene. a disciple of Jesus.[7]

A figure called the "Tinted Hand" also appeared in the stars of Cassiopeia in some Arab atlases. This is variously said to represent a woman's hand dyed red with henna, as well as the bloodied hand of Muhammad's daughter Fatima.

Another Arab constellation that incorporated the stars of Cassiopeia was the Camel.

Other cultures see a hand or moose antlers in the pattern.[8] These include the Lapps, for whom the W of Cassiopeia forms an elk antler. The Chukchee of Siberia similarly saw the five main stars as five reindeer stags.[7]

The Sitting Goddess Sita - Cassiopeia is actually Cybele

With the Cornucopia too.

Little is known of her oldest Anatolian cults, other than her association with mountains, hawks and lions.

Hawks and Lions They Say?
Harpies and Lion-Serpents actually! (Feathered Serpent)

In Rome, Cybele was known as Magna Mater ("Great Mother").

Very important wiki to browse through.

She was partially assimilated to aspects of the Earth-goddess Gaia, her Minoan equivalent Rhea, and the Corn-Mother goddess Demeter.

Uniquely in Greek religion, she had a transgender or eunuch mendicant priesthood. Many of her Greek cults included rites to a divine Phrygian castrate shepherd-consort Attis, who was probably a Greek invention. In Greece, Cybele is associated with mountains, town and city walls, fertile nature, and wild animals, especially lions.

Harpies are often related as living in the mountains actually, so I find the mountain connection additionally interesting.

If you don't know about it yet, investigate the topic of Eunuch priests and also Attis.

Notice the parallels between this and the other iconography?

By the way, it appears that Attis is actually secretly Cybele in disguise. Extremely feminine facial features and hair, etc. Fake excuse about having no genitalia claiming to have cut it off themselves. Yeah Right.
Cybele/Attis = The Neutered Hermaphrodite hence the Eunuch Priesthood.


Themes of note: Two Lions (Janus Duality)
Wheels of Time
Sitting Goddess
"Coming out of the Foam and Water" (Venus Aphrodite!!)


Ok now that we have covered Mama Sita let us discuss other aspects of her Eye the Hope Diamond.


This is the "Great Golden Fleece of King Louis XV of France".

Of course you see the Golden Fleece of Legend on the bottom, also please note the Lion.
The Red Lion seems to be a hidden reference to the Red Bull additionally.
Also note behind the Red Lion is a Silver Serpent.
A very elaborate Tree of Life styled symbolic masterpiece, you could spend days learning about this one item and what it references us towards.

Check out Order of the Golden Fleece

Will continue next post...

Golden Fleece

In Greek mythology, the Golden Fleece (Greek: χρυσόμαλλον δέρας chrysómallon déras) is the fleece of the gold-hair[1] winged ram, which was held in Colchis. It figures in the tale of the hero Jason and his band of Argonauts, who set out on a quest for the fleece by order of King Pelias, in order to place Jason rightfully on the throne of Iolcus in Thessaly. The story is of great antiquity and was current in the time of Homer (eighth century BC). It survives in various forms, among which details vary.

Like all great legends, we have multiple variants here.
Example : The Roman city of "Saturnia" was named because of 1) Saturn's Lightning Struck there creating hot springs and in another later refined story 2) because Jupiter's lightning missed Saturn in a dispute.

Ok Check it out:

According to Hyginus,[5] Poseidon carried Theophane to an island where he made her into an ewe, so that he could have his way with her among the flocks. There Theophane's other suitors could not distinguish the ram-god and his consort.[6]

Poseidon the God of the Sea? That's the Abyss.

There Phrixus sacrificed the winged ram to Poseidon, essentially returning him to the god.[8] The ram became the constellation Aries.

Phrixus settled in the house of Aeetes, son of Helios the sun-Titan, where he lived to a ripe old age. He hung the Golden Fleece reserved from the sacrifice of the ram on an oak in a grove sacred to Ares, the god of war and one of the Twelve Olympians. There it was guarded by a dragon. It remained until Jason came and took it.

Ok so the Ram of Poseidon the Abyss , a flying golden Ram, was sacrificed and became the constellation Aries in this myth.
And it was hung to Ares, the God of War.

See the Connections Now?
Ares/Mars = March/Aries = Poseidon the Sea (the Celestial Sea!)

Now let's check out Medea

The myths involving Jason have been interpreted by specialists[3] as part of a class of myths that tell how the Hellenes of the distant heroic age, before the Trojan War, faced the challenges of the pre-Greek "Pelasgian" cultures of mainland Greece, the Aegean and Anatolia. Jason, Perseus, Theseus, and above all Heracles, are all "liminal" figures, poised on the threshold between the old world of shamans, chthonic earth deities, and the new Bronze Age Greek ways.[4]

Rather than focusing on her myths and legends exactly, let's look instead at some later artwork created by famous individuals encoded with occult information so that we can better understand what is going on here in straightforward pictographs.

Evelyn De Morgan in particular.



This is an epic painting that's for sure.
So much information here but I will point out a few really amazing uncanny aspects.

Here Medea is portrayed as the typical Goddess figure, wearing Red.
In one hand is the elixir of life, and in the other hand she shows us the hidden "VVV" sign, or Triple V which is found throughout thousands of famous paintings over vast periods of time with occult significance.
I will get into this and provide further examples later on as it is pretty interesting.

Of course the floor is the black/white geometric pattern signifying duality and sacred geometry.
There are four doves below, and one dove above on the upper-left looking down below (as above so below).

Next to the upper dove on the archway are patterns such as the coiling dual serpent with red and blue juxtaposed, etc.


To the LEFT of the Woman in Red, below the dove, is a Staircase leading up.
The Pillars at the Entrance to the 'Stairway to Heaven' are the key here!

At the Bottom of the Pillar is the Lion, this Lion rises upwards and becomes the Harpy!
Therefore Lion becomes Harpy. This means the Sphinx and the Harpy are actually one in the same.

This "Harpy" has a Horn (Hidden Unicorn!).
It is holding a cup/jar/bowl akin to the Lady of Flame in the center of the painting.

Will cover the Mermaid iconography later on when time permits.
Continued next post...

A few more Medea paintings before we go back to Evelyn De Morgan:



Coiling Serpents, the elixir/grail, Lady of Flame, and Jason the Healer.

Jason is sitting on the Lion's Legs/Paws and the Serpent Symbol.
The helmet has a mane as well.
Therefore Jason = Lion Serpent

Thus why civilizations made lion's manes highly prominent in headgear-helmets throughout the ages. It's a symbol of the heroic figures of legend.

Now don't get confused because this is the realm of Duality and Contradictions.

The Red Lion is only half a Red Lion.
The other half is the Green/Jade Serpent.

So the Red Lion is actually the Green Lion just as the aspect in opposition of the same principles.
Red vs Green = Yin vs Yang
'Destruction and Creation' being a central component.

A similar concept is the icon of the "Green Egg" which we can discuss later in more depth.



This is an interesting Medea depiction as well.

Notice the Frog and recall that Medea is heavily associated with witchcraft.
Also recall the Frog God of Legends, Hah/Huh being my preferred deity for example.

Figurine of Feline Deity, Elixir/Grail, as above so below, hidden VVV hand sign, hidden 'shen ring', Argo Navis in background, golden fleece, etc.

The grating in front of the Holy Eternal Flame of the Cauldron is the Salamander symbol, and of course we have associations with Sulfur etc.
Light over Dark background, in the Dark Hidden is a huge Chinese styled Dragon. (Abyss)

This painting is full of plenty of leads for investigation in terms of occult motifs.

For example look behind Medea for the Equals Parallel bars crossing the entire painting.

This is the Zodiac symbolism.
The Two Bars represents the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn on our Global Maps.

The Circles have symbols for creatures of the Sky, in between each Circle/Symbol are Upright Cobras, facing in opposing directions.

The Cobras Represent the pathway of the Sun as the Earth's Axis Tilts 'up and down' throughout the Year.
The Infinity symbol is the lower half of the Cobras indicating Eternal continuity.

Thus the Fleece is shown amid 4 Trees signifying the 4 elements and the 4 seasons of the year.
4 Directions 4 Faces of God, etc.

Tree of Life/Knowing = 2 Parallel Lines with S wave going through it.

Tree+Snake = Basic Astronomic information deeply encoded in symbolism.
Strange the painters seemed to know all of these fascinating things.

Back to Evelyn De Morgan:



This is Helen of Troy .

In Greek mythology, Helen of Troy (in Greek, Ἑλένη, Helénē; pronounced [helénɛ:]), also known as Helen of Sparta, was the daughter of Zeus and either Leda or Nemesis, and was a sister of Castor, Pollux, and Clytemnestra. In Greek myths she was considered to be the most beautiful woman in the world. Her abduction by Paris brought about the Trojan War.

Daughter of the Day/Night, Deus, Deuce 2.

Note the interesting etymological series in various languages with "Hel" and "El" ?
The Greeks called themselves "Hellenes".
And of course as mentioned we go to Hell when we are bad, which is Hel of the Norse.

Eel = Fish Snake of the Lightning Deity El (All)

eel (n.)
Old English æl, from Proto-Germanic *ælaz (cf. Old Frisian -el, Middle Dutch ael, Dutch aal, Old Saxon and Old High German al, German Aal, Old Norse all), of unknown origin, with no certain cognates outside Germanic. Used figuratively for slipperiness from at least 1520s.

Unknown origin my rear, I said it right here.

About that painting of Helen, I am sure everyone can figure out plenty on their own by now, but I want to point out two related aspects for additional clarity.

Notice how she stares into the mirror? Narcissism again.
Also note her curled hair, which is yet another symbolic hint towards spirals, circles, twisting, etc.

The Mirror = Shaped as Egg
Figure inside with "flowing long hair" in S-waves on Both Sides.
Which would presumably be the Feathered Serpent, the Wings of the Harpy, the Hair of Helen.
That Hidden Caduceus on the back of Helen's mirror?
And of course we have Venus Aphrodite's Shell symbol on the bottom of the egg.

Gonna just have to move on here there's too much cool stuff to share with everyone.



This is Cassandra.

In Greek mythology, Cassandra (Greek Κασσάνδρα, also Κασάνδρα)[1] was the daughter of King Priam and Queen Hecuba of Troy. Her beauty caused Apollo to grant her the gift of prophecy. In an alternative version, she spent a night at Apollo's temple, at which time the temple snakes licked her ears clean so that she was able to hear the future (this is a recurring theme in Greek mythology, though sometimes it brings an ability to understand the language of animals rather than an ability to know the future).[2] When Cassandra refused Apollo's attempted seduction, he placed a curse on her so that her predictions and those of all her descendants would not be believed. She is a figure of both epic tradition and of tragedy.

Her arms reach above and below pulling her hair in madness.
Under her Right Arm (Our Left), Below the Elbow, is the Hidden Hook ??? of Saturn/Cronus.

At the center of her body, her stomach area, the blue "sea" mixes and spirals churning around...
And out comes a Ray of Gold, with the Hidden Golden Serpent sprouting forth.

The lighter colored Cloth wrapped in a circular fashion around her breast/upper body region signifies that she is the mother / life giver.

The Trojan horse and burning city in the back imply to the destructive powers of treachery, deception, deceit, trickery, subterfuge.

It's the Lady of Flame sneaking in right through the gates unnoticed.

Since I brought up flowing curling twisting hair and mirrors and goddess figures, let's talk about Medusa for a moment.

In Greek mythology Medusa (Greek: Μέδουσα (Médousa), "guardian, protectress")[1] was a monster, a Gorgon, generally described as having the face of a hideous human female with living venomous snakes in place of hair. Gazing directly upon her would turn onlookers to stone.

This is " Head of Medusa, gate of the Royal Palace of Turin ", which is the current resting place of the Shroud of Turin according to the Wiki (Medusa is the Gatekeeper).


Guardian of the Abyss, The one of Light which descended into Darkness?

Look at this Gate closely, think about Feathers, Leaves, and even Shells.
Think about the Peacock and the Oval Eye of Creation (Egg).

Think about the winged Golden One who fell into the Abyss...
Persephone of the harvest who was raped by Hades.
Europa raped by Zeus, etc etc
Medusa raped by Poseidon.

In a late version of the Medusa myth, related by the Roman poet Ovid (Metamorphoses 4.770), Medusa was originally a ravishingly beautiful maiden, "the jealous aspiration of many suitors," but when she was caught being raped by the "Lord of the Sea" Poseidon in Athena's temple, the enraged Athena transformed Medusa's beautiful hair to serpents and made her face so terrible to behold that the mere sight of it would turn onlookers to stone. In Ovid's telling, Perseus describes Medusa's punishment by Minerva (Athena) as just and well earned.

Medusa was beheaded by the hero Perseus, who thereafter used her head as a weapon[4] until he gave it to the goddess Athena to place on her shield.

medusa (n.)
"jellyfish," 1758, as genus name, from the name of one of the three Gorgons with snakes for hair, whose glance turned to stone him who looked upon it (attested in English from late 14c.). Her name is from Greek Medousa, literally "guardian," fem. present participle of the verb medein "to protect, rule over" (see Medea). The zoological name was chosen by Linnæus, suggested by the creature's long tentacles. Related: Medusoid.

The Jellyfish is the Head with Serpents coming off of it, and will shock you into stone with it's venom if you tread unwisely into the Abyss.

Yeah well Medusa the Mother Goddess, she is actually the dark side of Athena aka Aphrodite Pandemos.

It seems that Athena was raped in her own temple by her own inner "Madness" (The Inner Abyss), and she was so distraught over it that she "made herself ugly and unapproachable".

This is the Hermit, the Old Hag of Legend.
That old Father Winter Time, when everything becomes ugly and desolate and cold and dark.
Old age and senility, narcissism hitting the brick wall of Time and mortality.
Meeting the Grim Reaper, being turned into Stone (Dust).

Athena is Victory, the Dawn and the Light, Eos/Eros and Nike the winged messenger.
Medusa is Defeat, the Dusk and the Night, the Goddess stolen away against her will to the underworld as a result of her beauty.

We are talking about the Golden Serpent here, and the Seasons.
About all the religions / belief systems and their Reasons.





As you can see, Medusa is the Feathered Lion-Serpent, the Sacrifice that brings Life.
Symbolically it depicts duality and the binary aspects of God - virtually everything in the Universe.
Summer and Winter, Spring and Fall.

I'll cut to the chase and boil it down:
Jesus's dark side Satan = Medusa = Venus's dark side = Janus 2 Face's dark side = God 's dark side.
Mrs Hyde, the She-Hulk, the Green Lion , the destroyer.

In most versions of the story, she was beheaded by the hero Perseus, who was sent to fetch her head by King Polydectes of Seriphus. In his conquest, he received a mirrored shield from Athena, gold, winged sandals from Hermes, a sword from Hephaestus and Hades' helm of invisibility. Medusa was the only one of the three Gorgons who was mortal, so Perseus was able to slay her while looking at the reflection from the mirrored shield he received from Athena. During that time, Medusa was pregnant by Poseidon. When Perseus beheaded her, Pegasus, a winged horse, and Chrysaor, a golden sword-wielding giant, sprang from her body.

So of course this is part of the mono-myth, and Perseus the heroic positive male aspect defeats Medusa and from her springs Pegasus and Chrysaor. So Perseus in in the 'middle' of the drama so to speak.

In the Odyssey xi, Homer does not specifically mention the Gorgon Medusa:
Lest for my daring Persephone the dread,
From Hades should send up an awful monster's grisly head.

A very complex and multi-layered or faceted story with various versions over long spans of time.
Don't take what I say as gospel, go look into it question these things. Find your own answers.
Will continue shortly after a break.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I really like the following from your 4th post on page 1 of this thread.

"Booby, Boob, Dodo, Doodoo, Dude"

Insightful.

Since I was getting into Medusa earlier, and relating the sky vs earth motifs through artwork and chimeric symbolism, I might as well get a little more into it.

The three Gorgons of course indicates a Trinity, of which one is mortal, Medusa.

The "Monomyth", the "Hero's Journey", is an "Internal Metamorphosis" process. It occurs primarily at the Mesocosm level although few relate it in this terminology. It explains human life and experience, helps others relate to various aspects of their own lives through allegory, etc.

So let's talk about the Cockatrice.

A cockatrice is a mythical beast, essentially a two-legged dragon with a rooster's head. Described by Laurence Breiner as "an ornament in the drama and poetry of the Elizabethans", it featured prominently in English thought and myth for centuries.

Chicken + Dragon (Snake/Reptile) = Feathered Serpent

According to Alexander Neckam's De naturis rerum (ca 1180), the cockatrice was supposed to be born from an egg laid by a chicken and incubated by a toad; a snake might be substituted in re-tellings. Cockatrice became seen as synonymous with basilisk when the basiliscus in Bartholomeus Anglicus' De proprietatibus rerum (ca 1260) was translated by John Trevisa as cockatrice (1397).[4] A basilisk, however, is usually depicted without wings.

So Basilisk and Cockatrice are closely related, but slightly different renditions.

It is thought that a Cock egg would birth a cockatrice, and could be prevented by tossing the yolkless egg over the family house, landing on the other side of the house, without allowing the egg to hit the house.

So all sorts of bizarre traditions came about as a result of this folk mythology. The Male chicken's egg hatches the cockatrice.

Its reputed magical abilities include turning people to stone[5] or killing them by either looking at them—"the death-darting eye of Cockatrice"[6]—touching them, or sometimes breathing on them. Like the head of Medusa, the cockatrice's powers of petrification were thought still active after death.[citation needed]

It was repeated in the late-medieval bestiaries that the weasel is the only animal that is immune to the glance of a cockatrice. It was also thought that a cockatrice would die instantly upon hearing a rooster crow,[7] and according to legend, having a cockatrice look itself in a mirror is one of the few sure-fire ways to kill it.[8]

The cockatrice was also said to fly using the set of wings affixed to its back.[citation needed]

This is where chicken-snakes, chimeras, and the gaze of death/stone combine.

Now let's talk about the Bible again:

The first use of the word in English was in John Wyclif's 1382 translation of the Bible. This usage was followed by the King James Version, the word being used several times, to translate Hebrew tziph'oni:

So it's in many translations of the Bible too!

And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
—Isaiah 11 8

Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
—Isaiah 14 29

They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
—Isaiah 59 5

For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the lord.
—Jeremiah 8 17

In all these instances, the Revised Version—following the tradition established by Jerome's Vulgate basiliscus—renders the word "basilisk", and the New International Version translates it as "viper". In Proverbs 23:32 the similar Hebrew tzeph'a is rendered "adder", both in the Authorized Version and the Revised Version.

Also I want everyone to note one of these many folk tales that came about:

In England the town most associated with the cockatrice is the village of Wherwell, near Andover in Hampshire. The story is that the cockatrice terrorised the village until it was imprisoned in the dungeons below Wherwell Priory. A prize of land was offered to anyone who could kill the creature. None was successful, until a man named Green lowered a mirror into the dungeon. The cockatrice battled against its own reflection until exhausted, at which point Green was able to kill it. Today there is an area of land near Wherwell called Green's Acres. For many years a weather vane in the shape of a cockatrice adorned the church of St. Peter and Holy Cross in Wherwell until it was removed to Andover Museum.

Laurence Breiner also identified the uses of the cockatrice in alchemy (Breiner 1979).

3rd Squadron RAF "Chicken on a Brick"

So Medusa is the Cockatrice apparently, as both are used as symbols of guarding and turning into stone by their gaze or breath.

Thus we have Gargoyles as well (will get into this much more deeply later on).

Meet Coatlicue



Duality, Two Heads Kissing (Self-Mating, Asexual Reproduction).

Coatlicue, also known as Teteoinan (also transcribed Teteo Inan), "The Mother of Gods" (Classical Nahuatl: Cōhuātlīcue [koːwaːˈt͡ɬiːkʷe], Tēteô īnnān), is the Aztec goddess who gave birth to the moon, stars, and Huitzilopochtli, the god of the sun and war. She is also known as Toci (Tocî, "our grandmother") and Cihuacoatl (Cihuācōhuātl, "the lady of the serpent"), the patron of women who die in childbirth.

This is Kali, the Medusa, the Hel, that old hag Baba Yaga.

The word Coatlicue is Nahuatl for "the one with the skirt of serpents". The word for serpent is coātl. "Mother Goddess of the Earth who gives birth to all celestial things", "Goddess of Fire and Fertility", "Goddess of Life, Death and Rebirth", and "Mother of the Southern Stars."

According to Aztec legend, she was once magically impregnated by a ball of feathers that fell on her while she was sweeping a temple, and subsequently gave birth to the gods Quetzalcoatl and Xolotl. Her daughter Coyolxauhqui then rallied Coatlicue's four hundred other children together and goaded them into attacking and decapitating their mother. The instant she was killed, the god Huitzilopochtli suddenly emerged from her womb fully grown and armed for battle. He killed many of his brothers and sisters, including Coyolxauhqui, whose head he cut off and threw into the sky to become the moon. In one variation on this legend, Huitzilopochtli himself is the child conceived in the ball-of-feathers incident and is born just in time to save his mother from harm.

So just like Medusa, Coatlicue's rape occurred in the temple, by the Deity.

Huitzilopochtli = Athena-Minerva, sprung forth fully armed for battle from God's split body.

Olympian version

Although Athena appears before Zeus at Knossos —in Linear B, as a-ta-na po-ti-ni-ja, "Mistress Athena"[16]—in the Classical Olympian pantheon, Athena was remade as the favorite daughter of Zeus, born fully armed from his forehead.[17]

The story of her birth comes in several versions. In the one most commonly cited, Zeus lay with Metis, the goddess of crafty thought and wisdom, but he immediately feared the consequences. It had been prophesied that Metis would bear children more powerful than the sire,[18] even Zeus himself. In order to forestall these dire consequences, after lying with Metis, Zeus "put her away inside his own belly;" he "swallowed her down all of a sudden."[19] He was too late: Metis had already conceived.

Eventually Zeus experienced an enormous headache; Prometheus, Hephaestus, Hermes, Ares, or Palaemon (depending on the sources examined) cleaved Zeus's head with the double-headed Minoan axe, the labrys. Athena leaped from Zeus's head, fully grown and armed, with a shout— "and pealed to the broad sky her clarion cry of war. And Ouranos trembled to hear, and Mother Gaia..." (Pindar, Seventh Olympian Ode). Plato, in the Laws, attributes the cult of Athena to the culture of Crete, introduced, he thought, from Libya during the dawn of Greek culture.

So now we are coming full circle, from Athena's madness producing Medusa, to the cockatrice's stone gaze, and then to Coatlicue's birth of Huitzilopochtli while being split open which is Athena's birth story as well.

Huitzilopochtli

In Aztec religion, Huitzilopochtli (Classical Nahuatl: Huītzilopōchtli [wi:t͡siloˈpoːt͡ʃt͡ɬi]), is a Mesoamerican deity of war, sun, human sacrifice and the patron of the city of Tenochtitlan.

And also like Athena, patron of Athens, in Tenochtitlan (modern Mexico City) Huitzilopochtli was their patron.

I will go take a nap for awhile and be back to continue with whatever I am thinking about.

This is just barely scratching the surface of the Medusa-Abyss-Gorgon legends worldwide.
There is plenty more to go on about there.
But keep in mind today's posts are just discussing 1 of the 25+ topics I have on my list to still discuss, pretty silly I know.

I don't even know where to go today but I am feeling pretty good so far and want to do something here.

The voices in my head say continue the Medusa theme I stumbled upon and see where that leads us randomly.

"Severed Heads" - as a theme, think about it.
Worshiping decapitated heads is quite widespread throughout the world, much more than commonly thought.

This could potentially explain the severed heads of the Templars, etc.
Medusa the Golden Dragon of Heaven and Hell, something like that.

That head wasn't Baphomet per se, it was Bahamut of 1001 Nights

Upon seeing Bahamut, Jesus (Isa) passes into unconsciousness:

At this sight Isa fell down aswoon, and when he came to himself, Allah spake to him by inspiration, saying, 'O Isa, hast thou seen the fish and comprehended its length and its breadth?' He replied, 'By Thy honour and glory, O Lord, I saw no fish; but there passed me by a great bull, whose length was three days' journey, and I know not what manner of thing this bull is.' Quoth Allah, 'O Isa, this that thou sawest and which was three days in passing by thee, was but the head of the fish; and know that every day I create forty fishes like unto this.'[6]

Borges cites the idea of Bahamut as part of a layered cosmology as an illustration of the cosmological proof of the existence of God, which infers a first cause from the impossibility of infinite prior causes.[2] He also draws parallels between Bahamut and the mythical Japanese fish Jinshin-Uwo.[7]

The "Head of Medusa" = Representation of Bahamut the Abyss.

It is a veiled explanation describing the inner subconscious mind and it's hidden components.

Remember how everyone seems to say, that the subconscious mind "remembers" and holds tons of subtle minor details as long term memory but the "conscious mind" cannot seem to unlock it at will??

That is the Abyss, the "Leviathan" guards it. This is Medusa's Head allegorically.

In order to unlock your subconscious inner mental powers, you must "Slay Medusa".

How do you Slay Medusa??
You must use the Mirror!
Who is in the Mirror?

This is the Minotaur, this is the Hydra, this is the Grendel of Beowulf. This is Your Inner Self Deep Within. Complete Darkness until you are brave enough to venture in with a torch...

"The Cain Tradition"

Traditions around the two brothers had started to develop already during the Old Testament time, arguing that descendants of Cain had had sexual intercourse with fallen angels, producing giants, "mighty men which were of old, men of renown".[3]

In the epic poem Beowulf, the antagonists Grendel and Grendel's mother are described as descendants of Cain, which some scholars argue, links them to the Cain Tradition.[6]

Peter Dickinson (1979) argued that seeing as the considered distinction between man and beast at the time the poem was written was simply man's bipedalism, the given description of Grendel being man-like does not necessarily imply that Grendel is meant to be humanoid, going as far as stating that Grendel could easily have been a bipedal dragon.[5]

Other scholars such as Kuhn (1979) have questioned a monstrous description, stating:
There are five disputed instances of āglǣca [three of which are in Beowulf] 649, 1269, 1512...In the first...the referent can be either Beowulf or Grendel. If the poet and his audience felt the word to have two meanings, 'monster,' and 'hero,' the ambiguity would be troublesome; but if by āglǣca they understood a 'fighter,' the ambiguity would be of little consequence, for battle was destined for both Beowulf and Grendel and both were fierce fighters (216–7).

O'Keefe has suggested that Grendel resembles a Berserker, because of numerous associations that seem to point to this possibility.[6]

Allow me to explain, the confusion probably comes from the fact that both Beowulf and Grendel are essentially the inner dichotomy of the Reader's psychology.

Psyche means "Soul" or "Breath", and Cupid / Amor / Eros is "Love" or "Desire".

Hieros Gamos the Sacred Coupling, the "Hearts and Minds" of each and everyone of us.

Again back to aspects of the "Hero's Journey", the Metamorphoses being an interesting example.

The Metamorphoses of Apuleius, which St. Augustine referred to as The Golden Ass (Asinus aureus),[1] is the only Latin novel to survive in its entirety.

Flipping to Book 4:

Charite starts crying, so an elderly woman who is in league with the thieves begins to tell her the story of Cupid and Psyche.

Psyche is the most beautiful woman on earth, and Venus jealously arranges for Psyche's destruction.

In Book Four, an elderly woman tells the story to comfort the bandits' captives. The story is continued through Books Five and Six.

Psyche, the most beautiful woman in the world is envied by her family as well as by Venus. An oracle of Venus demands she be sent to a mountaintop and wed to a murderous beast. Sent by Venus to destroy her, Cupid falls in love and flies her away to his castle. There she is directed to never seek to see the face of her husband, who visits and makes love to her in the dark of night. Eventually, Psyche wishes to see her sisters, who jealously demand she seek to discover the identity of her husband. That night, Psyche discovers her husband is Cupid while he is sleeping, but wakes and scars him with her candle. Infuriated, he flies to heaven and leaves her banished from her castle. In attempted atonement, Psyche seeks the temple of Venus and offers herself as a slave. Venus assigns Psyche four impossible tasks.

This is quite a common theme, and it resonates with many many things around us.

First, she is commanded to sort through a great hill of mixed grains. In pity, many ants aid her in completing the task. Next, she is commanded to retrieve wool of the dangerous golden sheep. A river god aids Psyche and tells her to gather clumps of wool from thorn bushes nearby. Venus next requests water from a cleft high beyond mortal reach. An eagle gathers the water for Psyche. Next, Psyche is demanded to seek some beauty from Proserpina, Queen of the Underworld. Attempting to kill herself to reach the underworld, Psyche ascends a great tower and prepares to throw herself down. The tower speaks, and teaches Psyche the way of the underworld. Psyche retrieves the beauty in a box, and, hoping to gain the approval of her husband, opens the box to use a little. She is put into a coma. Cupid rescues her, and begs Zeus that she may become immortal. Psyche is granted Ambrosia, and the two are forever united.

So many diverse components here.

So Venus being angry at Psyche is a lot like Athena being upset with Medusa.

Or perhaps it is a lot like Snow White? (Ice)
Or maybe Cinderella? (Fire)

With a few interesting twists we have Sleeping Beauty and Beauty and the Beast.

This is our traditional folklore and we often treat it as "children's stories", but are they really?
Most adults seem to fail to grasp half of the basic concepts these stories attempt to teach...

They were all very beautiful, but only the youngest, twenty-year-old Belle, was lovely and pure of heart; her sisters, in contrast, were wicked and selfish.

At the christening of a king and queen's long-wished-for child, seven fairies are invited to be godmothers to the infant princess. At the banquet back at the palace, the fairies seat themselves with a golden casket containing golden jeweled utensils laid before them. However, a wicked fairy who was overlooked, having been within a certain tower for many years and thought to be either dead or enchanted, enters and is offered a seating, but not a golden casket since only seven were made.

After the girl's chores were done for the day, she would retire to the barren and cold room given to her, and would curl up near the fireplace in an effort to stay warm. She would often arise covered in cinders, giving rise to the mocking nickname "Cinderella". Cinderella bore the abuse patiently and dared not tell her father, since his wife controlled him entirely.

At the beginning of the story, a queen sits sewing at an open window during a winter snowfall when she pricks her finger with her needle, causing three drops of blood to fall onto the snow on the ebony window frame. Admiring the beauty of the resulting color combination, she says to herself: "Oh, how I wish that I had a daughter as white as snow, as red as blood, and as black as that wood of the window frame!". Soon after, the queen indeed gives birth to a baby girl as white as snow, as red as blood, and with hair as black as ebony. They name her Snow White, and not long after, the queen dies.[1][4]

The new queen possesses a Magic Mirror which she asks every morning: "Magic mirror in my hand, who is the fairest in the land?". The mirror always replies: "My Queen, you are the fairest in the land."

What are we talking about here? About everyone and their lives!

These stories are retold countless times in countless variations globally.
Why? Because we are all intimately related.

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wow...this is going to take a while to digest.....

Go through the links on those four "Fairy Tales" and look at the amazing amount of correlations some of them have already been shown to have around the world.

It's quite fascinating to know just how small of a world this really is, and how interrelated our very language and lore is.

Here is a proper link to Cupid and Psyche.

Quickly before I forget, I want to bring up Dionysus and Persephone in some additional contexts so that everyone will see just how well devised this "system of belief" really is in terms of "Metamorphoses".

Proserpina

Proserpina (/proʊˈsɜrpɪnə/)[1] or Proserpine (/proʊˈsɜrpɪˌni/; /ˈprɒsərˌpaɪn/)[1] is an ancient Roman goddess whose story is the basis of a myth of springtime. Her Greek goddess equivalent is Persephone.[2]

The probable origin of her name comes from the Latin, "proserpere" or "to emerge," in respect to the growing of grain. Proserpina was subsumed by the cult of Libera,[3] an ancient fertility goddess, wife of Liber and is also considered a life–death–rebirth deity.

Can anyone say Snow White? Eve of Genesis?

The fairy tale features such elements as the magic mirror, the poisoned apple, the glass coffin, and the seven dwarfs,

Will get into Brothers Grimm more later on.

All of this should make sense to everyone by now in context of how history developed over time. Clearly we have a long lineage of Alchemists encoding highly important information symbolically through art and literature, which can be discerned by a clever investigative eye.

Now let's get back to the track:

Libera
Liber

The Two Free Ones, Gemini, the Lovers, Free Man and Free Woman.
Yin Yang , Janus, the Two Fish, etc.

Eleusinian Mysteries

So why do we have Saint Patrick's Day??

The celebration on March 17 was meant to honor Liber Pater, an ancient god of fertility and wine (like Bacchus, the Roman version of the Greek god, Dionysus). Liber Pater is also a vegetation god, responsible for protecting seed. Liber, again like Dionysius, had female priests although Liber's priests were older women. Wearing wreaths of ivy, the priestesses made special cakes, or libia, of oil and honey which passing devotees would have them sacrifice on their behalf. Over time this feast evolved and included the goddess Libera, Liber Pater's consort, and the feast divided so that Liber governed the male seed and Libera the female. This ancient Italian ceremony was a "country" or rustic ceremony. The processional featured a large phallus which the devotees carried throughout the countryside to bring the blessing of fertility to the land and the people. The procession and the phallus were meant also to protect the crops from evil. At the end of the procession, a virtuous and respected matron placed a wreath upon the phallus.

Liberalia = March 17
Bacchanalia = March 17
St Patrick's Day = March 17

God of Wine?? Drinking??
Fertility - Phallus Worship - Spring Themes

According to legend, Saint Patrick used the three-leaved shamrock to explain the Holy Trinity to Irish pagans.

Sound anything like something Dionysus - Bacchus - Liber would possibly talk about?



This is the Coat of Arms for Ireland historically.

The Harpy Queen yet again.
Angel + Feathers + Harp = Harpy
And of course 7 strings for 7 Dwarves or 7 Fairy Godmothers and 7 days of the week.

That Banshee of legend, whose calls were treated as messages from the underworld.

The banshee can appear in a variety of guises. Most often she appears as an ugly, frightening hag, but she can also appear as a stunningly beautiful woman of any age that suits her. In some tales, the figure who first appears to be a "banshee" is later revealed to be the Irish battle goddess, the Morrígan.

The banshee may also appear in a variety of other forms, such as that of a hooded crow, stoat, hare and weasel - animals associated in Ireland with witchcraft.

The Morrigan aka the "Phantom Queen".

She is often depicted as a trio of goddesses, all sisters,[1][2][3] although membership of the triad varies; the most common combinations are Badb, Macha and Nemain,[4] or Badb, Macha and Anand; Anand is also given as an alternate name for Morrigu.[5] Other accounts name Fea, and others.[4]

Morgan the Fea. Nemain

The Triple Goddess, Trinity.
Tons of traditions here, from Shakespeare to Arthur and Merlin...

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- i left this thread to be Muzzle
but since it keeps popping up
and has 53 flags - ATS, where s your common sense ?? - let me please add this:

..you are So Incredible Off.... that i m ashamed in yóur place

whó is here the "unicorn" ?
cant you do at least a quick search into Sumerian Enki depictions ??

if you anyway want to start a thread like this -
whý do you start about Things, you cant even tell the difference between..?

- i love serious threads / challenges / opinions

but this one .....i m dissapointed in you.
Im sorry.

- added -

i *will not have* the title, you gave to your thread.

If i asked you "muzzleflash enjoys his wife is raped by a gang" ,
then it comes close to what i feel in your OP s title, and your Attempts to solidify it.

Nothing - never, ever - could be Further from the Truth, as your title and intent.

Question is,
do you WANT to know the Truth - or keep Mudding in the delusions you try to Justify.

Please...?

What you are doing here, is Synchronizing

..just as the many, who Think that "jesus is horus because both were crucified" etc
and then they sum Up several " similarities" which need to proove that "the sory of jesus FOLLOWED the horus story - thats why Horus was the supposed original"
etc

- you do the Same.

But you forgét,
that there is a War going on, above us,
a War between the Original, and the side who Mimicks that original -

...now if you Fail to see thát,
then hów can you see the difference between Truth and Mimick...?

- you cannot.

And you showed it painfully Clear with this thread.

Regards.