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In December 2012, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released startling new data that showed HIV was still plaguing the gay community. While new HIV infections had remained steady in the general public between 2008 and 2010, infections had risen by an incredible 22 percent in young gay men. Gay men represented two-thirds of new infections. And nearly 6,000 gay men were dying of AIDS every year.
The Kaiser Health Foundation recently described the problem of HIV in the city of Washington, where the HRC and many other big LGBT groups are headquartered, as "as epidemic on par with some developing nations."
Originally posted by Superhans
I was somewhat shocked because this problem continues to persist, even with all the education and protection available.
While we hear about marriage (which they should be able to marry IMO)
and other less important issues like bullying (hate to break it to you dam near everyone gets bullied in school- that IS equality).
The problem of HIV seems somewhat ignored by the public
and the gay community.
In the past when i have mentioned that gays are at a higher risk than straight people I have been accused of being a "homophobe" or a bigot. Im sure I will get a fair share of that here for this as many polarizing topics tend to bring out near ore-written responses that ignore post and context. So what is the deal here? Is HIV just not a big issue or have people been so brainwashed by all the PC BS that they have actually convinced themselves that gays are not at a higher risk for infection so they tailor their behavior to that idea and fuel the problem?
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Superhans
Of course, we all should continue to spread (excuse pun) education on safe sex. Anal sex when unprotected is more effective at transferring the infection. If gay men are higher risk in places is due to that. That doesn't mean they are having more unprotected sex than other groups tho!edit on 4-7-2013 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)
Actually, research shows that with higher access to condoms, HIV infections do not decrease. People think they are safe when they are not. Viruses like HIV are very very thin and latex/plastic will always be semipermeable to it. Not to mention -- condoms break.
I don't see how that's less important. Gay teens have a rather heartbreaking suicide rate compared to heterosexual teens. The school do nothing but harm it, too. This "Zero tolerance" crap you hear about has a lot to do with it, actually. If you're a d***head and punch a gay kid in your high school for kissing his boyfriend or whatever in the hall, both you and the gay kid will get suspended. "Zero tolerance". Funny, because after the suspension, you probably won't do it again, but someone else might. In which case, d***head #2 gets suspended
and the same gay kid gets suspended again for being punched in the head. That's how our high schools REALLY work.
You can't be serious.
I can't think of any other group of people who donate a fraction of HIV research funding than those in gay events and organisations in the U.S..
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It's not just the HRC. HIV/AIDS isn't a top priority for any of the three major LGBT groups in the U.S.: not the HRC, or the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), or the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF) – who together are somewhat pejoratively known as "Gay Inc."
"'Gay Inc.' is interested in military, marriage, and money," says Michael Petrelis, a gay and AIDS activist, in reference to the campaigns against the military policy of "don't ask, don't tell," which was overturned in 2010, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which was ruled unconstitutional last week. "But for the millions of gay people who don't want to be soldiers, who don't want to get married, where's the advocacy?" he says.
Here is a good little writeup that outlines some of the social stigma surrounding HIV/AIDS in the gay community. Most gay men know exactly what the risks are. Talking about it like it's a "gay disease" though is simply ridiculous. More than 90% of HIV positive people are heterosexual, after all. And really the risks aren't much higher than a heterosexual who engages in anal sexual activity regularly.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Superhans
It's my understanding that the higher risk demographics vary throughout the world.
That said.
The ultimate issue isn't that STIs spread through sex, it's that they exist to begin with. We should focus on cures and treatments and not demonize said demographics (whoever they may be) for being at higher risk.
Of course, we all should continue to spread (excuse pun) education on safe sex practices. Anal sex when unprotected is more effective at transferring the infections. If gay men are higher risk in places is due to that. That doesn't mean they are having more unprotected sex than other groups though!edit on 4-7-2013 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)
HIV is higher in homosexual men.
Who is being "demonized"???
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Superhans
HIV is higher in homosexual men.
I'ts higher transfer rate with unprotected anal sex, Only reason that amounts to homosexual men is due to a higher percent of people within that demographic that partake in anal sex. Heterosexuals also partake in this unprotected. So again the solution isn't to target any one group, since they all contribute to the issue via the same way, but to do our best everyone knows the risks involved in not testing and not wearing protection.
Originally posted by Superhans
So what is the deal here?
Is HIV just not a big issue or have people been so brainwashed by all the PC BS that they have actually convinced themselves that gays are not at a higher risk for infection so they tailor their behavior to that idea and fuel the problem?
I think it's a modern issue that people think HIV never happens in Western nations
I don't think it's just a gay issue.
Originally posted by Superhans
Well i was hoping it would not turn into this but...
Really? I would love to see this research because it sounds like something that you made up. In places where protection is not as easy to obtain due to restrictions and poverty you see the infection rate much higher. Africa?
In 2003, Norman Hearst and Sanny Chen of the University of California conducted a condom effectiveness study for the United Nations' AIDS program and found no evidence of condoms working as a primary HIV-prevention measure in Africa. UNAIDS quietly disowned the study. (The authors eventually managed to publish their findings in the quarterly Studies in Family Planning.) Since then, major articles in other peer-reviewed journals such as the Lancet, Science and BMJ have confirmed that condoms have not worked as a primary intervention in the population-wide epidemics of Africa. In a 2008 article in Science called "Reassessing HIV Prevention" 10 AIDS experts concluded that "consistent condom use has not reached a sufficiently high level, even after many years of widespread and often aggressive promotion, to produce a measurable slowing of new infections in the generalized epidemics
While consistent condom use (i.e. using condoms correctly 100% of the time during sexual intercourse) has shown to decrease the the risk of HIV/AIDS transmission, 15% of those people who use condoms 100% of the time will still become infected with HIV/AIDS.
The suicide issue has a little more to it than bullying like accaptance from the family and self loathing. With that said kids bully kids, its a fact that everyone needs to get over that we need to decide if we are equal or not. Its not fair that kids who pick on gay kids are seen as the worst thing in the world yet picking on the fat kid/kid with acne/short kid is seen as kids being kids. Nobody is exempt from the attitudes of other kids
The Global fund (not gay) billions of dollars
The world bank (not gay) billions of dollars
Bill and Malinda Gates foundation (1.4 billion)
And others... So there 3 groups that give enough to make what is raised at gay pride events look like a fraction. So yes. compared to the other issues the one of HIV is more or less being ignored.
Yes more than 90% of HIV positive people are straight but you are choosing to ignore the fact that the population is not 1:1 with gay and straight men. HIV is higher in homosexual men.
These ongoing multiple concurrent sex partnerships resemble a giant, invisible web of relationships through which HIV/AIDS spreads. A study in Malawi showed that even though the average number of sexual partners was only slightly over two, fully two-thirds of this population was interconnected through such networks of overlapping, ongoing relationships.
Something I made up? I actually remember the little factoid from an old Hitchens debate. Either way here's a source:
...for the United Nations' AIDS program and found no evidence of condoms working as a primary HIV-prevention measure in Africa...
...condoms have not worked as a primary intervention in the population-wide epidemics of Africa...
...to produce a measurable slowing of new infections in the generalized epidemics of Sub-Saharan Africa...
...Let me quickly add that condom promotion has worked in countries such as Thailand and Cambodia,...
...And intuitively, some condom use ought to be better than no use. But that's not what the research in Africa shows....
Well obviously there's a lot more to it, but how does that change the reality of how the school treats it? With ANY of them, really. You think gay kids get extra protection from it you are absolutely out of your mind.
Where do you suppose the money that is donated to these organisations comes from? Jerry Falwell?
In LGBT events -- coin collections at gay bars, Pride donations, charity sticker sales, charity entry sales, charity booth sales, charity kissing booths, charity stripping, charity best butt/chest/dick contests -- all of this stuff is most likely donated to one of these organisations?
What you're suggesting, though, is that all of these groups who are focused on socio-political changes (NOT health & science funding) should pick up the tab for a disease that is 90%+ straight people.
If the people wanted their money to go to AIDS research, they would give it to an HIV/AIDS charity--not a political group. Why the hell would you expect the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against DEFAMATION to make health & science donations?
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by Superhans
Americans see nothing wrong with campaigns against excessive drinking, smoking, overeating, and not wearing seat belts. People are encouraged not to do things which lead to unhealthy outcomes.
I can't imagine a government saying, "Homosexual behavior is risky. It imposes a disproportionate strain on our health care system. It's an unhealthy life style." But the government will say that for overeating, alcoholism, drug abuse, smoking, etc.
Originally posted by charles1952
But nobody has come up with a viable campaign, nation-wide and government endorsed, against unprotected homosexual sex.
I honestly think that's because of a reluctance to criticize any homosexual activity.
Perhaps, and I'm just guessing, the idea is to try to persuade the public that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, and that it has equal health results to heterosexuality.