Pope Francis Bombshell Announcement - Intends Revision of Apostolic Constitution & Bureaucracy.

Yes, you read correctly. Revision of the Vaticans Apostolic CONSTITUTION and bureaucracy. Reform and revision. Pope Francis continues to take out the trash and to 'rebuild the church'. All but one of Pope Francis' advisory group are new. The euro-centric Vatican is being scrubbed ... and a new 'Universal' Vatican is taking it's place.

AP - Pope taps cardinals to advise on governing, reform

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis marked his first month as pontiff on Saturday by naming eight cardinals from around the globe to a permanent advisory group to counsel him on running the Catholic Church and reforming the Vatican bureaucracy — a bombshell announcement that indicates he intends a shift in how the papacy should function.

The panel includes only one current Vatican official; the rest are cardinals from North, Central and South America, Africa, Asia, Europe and Australia — a clear indication that Francis wants to reflect the universal nature of the church as he goes about governing. ......

In its announcement Saturday, the Vatican said Francis got the idea to form the advisory body from the pre-conclave meetings where such complaints were aired. "He has formed a group of cardinals to advise him in the governing of the universal church and to study a revision of the apostolic constitution Pastor Bonus on the Roman Curia," the statement said.

The article goes on to say that Pope Francis understands the problems of the curia and exactly what is wrong with the church's central bureaucratic machine .. and why it's wrong. He understand the scandals. His mission is to bring Jesus to everyone, especially the poor and to rebuild the church. Also, the article says that Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York is really excited and hopeful about the reforms that are coming via Pope Francis.

I fear for the safety of Pope Francis. The old Euro-Curia Cardinals are NOT going to be happy campers! And recent history has shown that there are those in the Vatican who would murder a pope (Pope John Paul I was poisoned).

A new broom to sweep away the old ways?

Will this mean that those accused of vile crimes against children will be brought to book?

If this happens, maybe trust in this church will increase!!

let us not forget the Pope's relation to exobiology and the idea that aliens are also part of Gods creation. Would he reconceptialize a Second Coming for the faithful?

Dont tell me hes getting ready to put the finishing touches to a Papal Blue Beam.....

I love this man!

He is exactly what the Catholic religion has needed for quite some time.

I hope he is well protected.

~Namaste

Originally posted by darkstar57
let us not forget the Pope's relation to exobiology and the idea that aliens are also part of Gods creation. Would he reconceptialize a Second Coming for the faithful?

I believe the Vaticans lead astronomer is also a Jesuit.

The Director of the Observatory is Father José Gabriel Funes an Argentinian Jesuit

Originally posted by Starwise

Originally posted by darkstar57
let us not forget the Pope's relation to exobiology and the idea that aliens are also part of Gods creation. Would he reconceptialize a Second Coming for the faithful?

I believe the Vaticans lead astronomer is also a Jesuit.

The Director of the Observatory is Father José Gabriel Funes an Argentinian Jesuit

The Vatican observatory is managed and run by the Jesuit order, so there is nothing remarkable about that. Jesuits are encouraged to achieve academic degree and post graduate degrees in the sciences and other faculities apart from theology and philosophy. Jesuits universities, of which there are many worldwide, tend to be strong on the sciences.

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If the Jesuits are relying on 2000 years of secret documents in the Vatican library, perhaps their leaning toward exobiology and an alien presence is based on information we, and the MIC, do not have access to. Recognition of an alien might be associated with a bluebeam. or, as recent videos show, an orb over the dome of the rock in Israel. And keep in mind Israels recent conciliatory gestures toward the Vatican.
Fasten seat belts, espescially about the mind.

Yes, you read correctly. Revision of the Vaticans Apostolic CONSTITUTION and bureaucracy. Reform and revision. Pope Francis continues to take out the trash and to 'rebuild the church'. All but one of Pope Francis' advisory group are new. The euro-centric Vatican is being scrubbed ... and a new 'Universal' Vatican is taking it's place.

Doubtful. More like recirculating of the trash. There is no evidence that a shift from a Euro-centric papacy to a "globalist" papacy would be any better.

In fact, it's apt to be worse.

No doubt that the Vatican needs to make changes, but a "globalist' agenda is more of a power grab than real institutional change.

And just for clarification, the issuance of apostolic constitutions are nothing new. They have been used for centuries by various popes, and have their historical roots to Roman Emperors who would dictate various important laws to the public.

Except, in this case, as with most Emperors, this Emperor, too, has no clothes.

Originally posted by CookieMonster09
More like recirculating of the trash.

No. He's tossing out the euro-centric curia and installing a reform curia that more mirrors the demographics of the church as a while.

There is no evidence that a shift from a Euro-centric papacy to a "globalist" papacy would be any better.

Really? You think that cleaning house won't do any good?
Well .. believe what you wish. I think it's a step in the right direction
and it can't do any bigger harm than what the euro-centric Vatican
has done all these past years.

No. He's tossing out the euro-centric curia and installing a reform curia that more mirrors the demographics of the church as a while.

No, there is no mention of reform. Yes, mirroring the "new" demographics - Correct. But this is part of his globalist politics, not an effort at institutional reform. It would be pretty naive to think that the Vatican will reform itself.

I assure you that the new "demographics" are just as corrupt as the European-centric ones.

Really? You think that cleaning house won't do any good? Well .. believe what you wish. I think it's a step in the right direction and it can't do any bigger harm than what the euro-centric Vatican has done all these past years.

He won't clean house. He might make some superficial changes that appeal to the people. But there will be no real institutional change.

These "changes" - if you even can call them changes - are all about politics, control, and consolidating his power base. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "serving the people".

Look beyond the facade. This pope is a master politician and the gullible public is buying his facade hook, line, and sinker. You only have to look at the history of the papacy to see that this a pure political institution, and not a spiritual one. It's all about power, control, and politics, not spirituality.

Originally posted by CookieMonster09
No, there is no mention of reform.

You didn't read the article .. did you? Nope. Doesn't look like you did.
It's in the title of the article. Its in the opening sentence. It's all through
the article. Reform. Reform. Reform. Go read it.

But this is part of his globalist politics, not an effort at institutional reform.

Says you.

It would be pretty naive to think that the Vatican will reform itself.

These are people on the outside coming in and getting rid of the old Vatican.
The old Vatican isn't reforming itself .. it's all those who have been stuck on the
outside looking in .. THEY are now going to be running things and THEY will
reform it. (unless the old Vatican kills them off ... which has happened with PJPI)

I assure you that the new "demographics" are just as corrupt as the European-centric ones.

You 'assure me'?? Why should I take your word for it?? Are you there? Are in the meetings? You don't even read the articles on what is happening but instead just ASSUME that it's all no good.

Everything coming from this new pope has been a breath of fresh air and has been movement in the correct direction. I'm sure that no matter what he does ... you'd say 'bad bad bad'. Damned if he fixes things .. damned if he doesn't ... eh??

Time will tell if he's a pretender or someone with real reform.
So far ... one month into his papacy ... it's all looking really good for reform.
It won't happen overnight .. but he's moving along rather swiftly, all things considered.

You didn't read the article .. did you? Nope. Doesn't look like you did. It's in the title of the article. Its in the opening sentence. It's all through the article. Reform. Reform. Reform. Go read it.

I read your article long before you accused me of not reading it.

Here's a clue: Don't believe everything you read.

This Pope is a modernist, a globalist, and likely a Freemason. He is actively engaging the enemies of the Church through "inter-faith" dialogue.

If you honestly believe he is a reformer, you are sadly mistaken. Either that, or you are unfamiliar with the politics and history of Rome.

The old Vatican isn't reforming itself .. it's all those who have been stuck on the outside looking in .. THEY are now going to be running things and THEY will reform it.

Laughable, at best. The Vatican has been a corrupt institution for centuries now. Nothing will change. The actors might be different, but it is the same song and dance. It has, and always will be a corrupt institution.

Everything coming from this new pope has been a breath of fresh air and has been movement in the correct direction.

An opinion, not a fact. Most traditional Catholics would vehemently disagree with you, and have already stated so publicly.

Time will tell if he's a pretender or someone with real reform. So far ... one month into his papacy ... it's all looking really good for reform.

History is a better predictor than future speculation. I'll err on the side of history, thank you. His papacy will be a disaster.

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I didn't get that impression at all. I read a different article this morning but it clearly states that this advisory council is just that.

The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, stressed that the cardinals are a consultative body, not a decision-making one, and that they don't take the place of the Vatican bureaucracy. His comments appeared aimed at reassuring Vatican bureaucrats that they weren't being sidelined by a counterweight advisory body that better reflects the geographic distribution of today's church.

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Originally posted by CookieMonster09
History is a better predictor than future speculation. I'll err on the side of history, thank you...

Which side of history. What happened re John Paul 1 is also part of "history". Hence "history" is not unambiguous. Sometimes leaders "change" when they're ahead. Insofar "FlyersFan" could be right. On the other hand Francis might just be a talented actor. Time must tell.

Which side of history. What happened re John Paul 1 is also part of "history". Hence "history" is not unambiguous. Sometimes leaders "change" when they're ahead. Insofar "FlyersFan" could be right. On the other hand Francis might just be a talented actor. Time must tell.

I won't hold my breath.

We have centuries - yes, centuries - of historical corruption. Even in my short time on planet Earth, we have seen all kinds of clear cut cases of abuse, corruption, etc., and a whole host and assortment of criminal activities.

I have the unfortunate experience of having witnessed this firsthand in my own archdiocese, where the Vatican in conjunction with the local archbishop managed to siphon tens of millions of dollars that could have been used to help the working poor. They now have the audacity - just this past week - to request even more in donations from the laity. I cannot help but think of the gall and audacity of these criminals.

These statements are not speculation - These crimes are fact, and documented by many well-known historians and theologians - Catholic and non-Catholic. You don't have to look to far to learn about the Vatican and its crimes, ranging anywhere from money laundering to prostitution in the city of Rome itself. And that's not even touching on what has happened to the Church since Vatican II, less I digress.

If you really think the Vatican can clean up its act, then more power to you. Pope Francis is a master politician, not a spiritual leader. This is all about consolidating political power, and not about helping anyone but Pope Francis and his cohorts in the Vatican. To think otherwise is to fail to understand the history of the Vatican and its crimes.

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Well, what does that exactly mean in terms of consequences?

I do not really care what they do anyway, but what COULD that mean for the public?

i wonder if the reform might mean that the western church will lean towards the eastern , Orthodox church...
and reform that Apostolic notion which obliqely degrades the Orthodox church' status & authority


perhaps even better would be to reform the dogma to include Buddhist idealogy, then i might reaffirm my baptism and confirmation of being born into raised in a Catholic household

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All hands brace for Impact - Vatican III is coming.

Originally posted by St Udio
perhaps even better would be to reform the dogma to include Buddhist idealogy, then i might reaffirm my baptism and confirmation of being born into raised in a Catholic household

edit on 15-4-2013 by St Udio because: (no reason given)

I predict he will include buddhism and perhaps even ETs and Hermetism. It would be consistent with the Shadow's plan to dominate the World using a new Vatican, Vatican III.