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Your destiny is to be in the Kingdom, after correction and chastisement, and you are NOT the architect of it. Tell me, Afterinfinity, if you need and desire no god/God, why are you seen so often on threads of this type?
No, I said it's not other's burden to prove your assertions false, it's your burden to prove them true.
That's how logic works. Attempting to make others prove your claims false without you first providing your premise/facts/argument for them being true is called "shifting the burden of proof".
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NOTurTypical
No, I said it's not other's burden to prove your assertions false, it's your burden to prove them true.
That's how logic works. Attempting to make others prove your claims false without you first providing your premise/facts/argument for them being true is called "shifting the burden of proof".
I asked you to show me where you think I'm wrong and why, and you're refusing?
§ DEFINITION
Shifting the Burden of Proof – occurs when speakers do not prove their own claims while forcing others to prove them.
A standard rule in argumentation is “he who asserts must prove,” meaning that the writer bears full responsibility to prove that his or her claims are true. Writers and speakers, especially when cornered with tough questions, often speak authoritatively, but they sometimes assume that their assertions are valid and place the onus of proof onto the audience
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NOTurTypical
But we don't need a god for those things. You don't need a god for emotional security, for guidance, for any of that. Everything a deity does for you, you can do for yourself. But more specifically, I don't agree with the abhorrence of sin. Just as we don't need a god to rule us, we don't need any to judge us either. We do enough of that on our own.edit on 9-4-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by LittleByLittle
Please do not tell people that your religion is the only way. You could not be more wrong. God knows how to find the souls that is needed to be activated
i never said that,
in Islamic teachings there are 3 types of 'guidance'
1) guidance/nature of all living beings, to seek food etc, a spider knowing how to spin a web etc
2)guidance by revealation/holy books
3) one on one Guidance from God directly to a person(enlightenment)
but once there is 3 then there is also a need to at least know the do's and dont's to live a life and that is where Qur'an comes in to help, take what makes sense and follow it.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Did you not read my previous posts? Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it. With that much influence over your life, how can you not be the architect of your fate?
I am seen on threads of this type because I am trying to show you another way. Self-empowerment, instead of subjugation. I am hopeful that one day you will learn to balance veneration for the external with veneration for the internal. You have dedicated your thought process to a single node in a vast web of ideas. The entirety of that web defines the exact dimensions of each idea that comprises it, but without exploring, your comprehension remains limited. You seem to abhor the implications of being able to make mistakes, like many other Christians, but you don't realize the potential of being imperfect and incomplete. You live. You feel. You exist. If you were perfect, this would not be possible. What you want for yourself is not what you need. It works, but only if you make certain sacrifices in comprehension and ability. I believe these sacrifices are not necessary for what you want to achieve.
That's why I am here.
We are not on the same page, and barely speak the same language.
We may be the architects of our lives, but that is not the same as our fates.
Your life is yours, your fate is not really in your hands, at least according to my understanding.
As an ex-libertarian and ex-atheist I think I can see where you are coming from, but really, what do you know of me, or I of you? Were you to come to my home and view the titles in my personal library, you might see that I do not function in an exclusive single node of thinking, as you assume. I dig the "vast web of ideas," but I just interpret them according a different frame of reference than you. Given our respective frames of reference, I think we are both here for much the same reason.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Lazarus Short
We are not on the same page, and barely speak the same language.
If the pilgrims could communicate with the Native Americans, I'm sure there's hope for my ventures.
Perhaps there is hope, no, there surely is hope.
We may be the architects of our lives, but that is not the same as our fates.
Our fate is affected by every choice we make, every moment throughout our lives. Our fate is determined by how we react. Remember the 90% reaction thing? Or what I said about the Law of Attraction? The principle I mentioned? We influence our fate, far more than any external agent. Of every factor that affects the flow of our lives, we are the greatest.
Your outlook strikes me as Greek, but have you ever considered that your life may be governed more than you know by forces you do not understand?
Your life is yours, your fate is not really in your hands, at least according to my understanding.
Then what's your understanding?
I understand that my ultimate fate is in the Hands of a sovereign, loving God.
As an ex-libertarian and ex-atheist I think I can see where you are coming from, but really, what do you know of me, or I of you? Were you to come to my home and view the titles in my personal library, you might see that I do not function in an exclusive single node of thinking, as you assume. I dig the "vast web of ideas," but I just interpret them according a different frame of reference than you. Given our respective frames of reference, I think we are both here for much the same reason.
Your frame of reference sounds a little skewed. You seem far too ingratiating for someone who has done their research on this god. Have you suspended your reason to give him credibility? Have you missed the fact that he's not the first of his kind? That he is a product of plagiarism, an amalgamation, the bastard child of paganism's political persecution and martyrdom?
Your "facts" are wrong, and skewed at best. You need to dig a little further back in time, for every ancient culture was monotheistic in the beginning. Paganism and religious evil came along later as men lost sight of the True God. This is encoded, for instance, in the old Chinese written language. For another, the Druids worshiped Yesu many centuries before He appeared in Palestine.
edit on 9-4-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)[/quote
edit on 9-4-2013 by Lazarus Short because: lah-de-dah
Your outlook strikes me as Greek, but have you ever considered that your life may be governed more than you know by forces you do not understand?
I understand that my ultimate fate is in the Hands of a sovereign, loving God.
Your "facts" are wrong, and skewed at best. You need to dig a little further back in time, for every ancient culture was monotheistic in the beginning. Paganism and religious evil came along later as men lost sight of the True God. This is encoded, for instance, in the old Chinese written language. For another, the Druids worshiped Yesu many centuries before He appeared in Palestine.
I kneel to no one. This is my life (as
your life is yours) and I will live it as
***I*** see fit. I am the judge of my
mistakes, and how I will make up for
them.
I have no regrets
when it comes to hating those that oppress, murder, or deprive others for
their own selfish needs. I am human -
I come equipped with hate as much as
I am equipped with love. To deny one
emotion is to deny my own identity.
This is what religion wants - sacrifice -
a total surrender of your humanity for
their belief system. This is MY life, and
no one is going to tell me how to live
it.
'YOUR' life? So you made yourself come into existence? And you have determine the time, mode and place of your death too? If its true then yes you are really free to live how you seem fit but if not then you are doing injustice to the Creator by denying Him and you hate injustice right?
My assertion is that we can control our own destiny. We have the power to influence the direction and pace of our lives. And you want me to prove that we have that influence? Every second of every day of every year, you have at least a dozen choices, a dozen different courses of action from moment to moment. When you have all those choices...how are you not the captain of your ship? You decide what you are subjected to, and you decide how you react to it. That's as much control as anything can ever have.
I gave life to my children. Are they not free to live according to their own beliefs? Do they owe me anything? Did I create their lives to forever be under my rule?
even if their were a god
that created me, I would owe him nothing.
4:147
What can Allah gain by your
punishment, if ye are grateful and ye
believe? Nay, it is Allah that
recogniseth (all good), and knoweth
all things.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I never mentioned God.
OP did. And that's all I'm concerned about.