U.S. Senate Approves the Keystone Pipeline: Final Vote 62 to 37 !

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Well, this Senate IS good for something once in awhile. If those on the coasts don't want this...fine...the map doesn't show it running there. A good many in the Midwest sure want it though, and we'll all try real hard to deal with whatever downsides may come. The upsides of construction and economic benefit are far greater though.

For once, Congress does something I'm happy about! ....now will it live to see the end of the process? Hmm..

are they far greater than destroying the aquifers of several states? you can't "deal" with polluting the water supply of several states for the sake of making money, we tried that and it's destroying our world with pollution.

congress doesn't give a rats ass about anything but greed and power so if you think you can eat and drink oil to stay alive, then have fun trying because that's all the residents of those states will have. nobody with half a brain in the midwest want's this, because you would be wise not to kill yourself, trying to stay alive.

i used to value your opinion but honestly you seem shallow and un concerned with harming people for the sake of money and greed.

reply to post by Evanzsayz


The oil from Keystone is set to be exported and the rest is BS anyway. You know why they can still export oil? Because we import a majority of it from Canada so allowing them to run a pipe across our country is no big deal to big oil. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. They make more money on oil if we're not oil independent don't you get it? We use so much oil we'll never be oil independent and kepping us as far from the independence ensures more $$$ for big oil. Here's a Cornell University study read it and weep.
www.woodcountydemocrats.com...:cornell-university-keystone-xl-pipeline-truth-about-jobs-and-econo my-a-must-read&catid=53:press-releases&Itemid=97

Well, congratulations America... we are about to become TransCanada's bitch. And as far as the State Departments statement that the pipeline expansion will have little environmental impact is horse poop. The report was written by oil industry insiders.

The State Department's recent conclusion that the Keystone XL pipeline "is unlikely to have a substantial impact" on the rate of Canada's oil sands development was based on analysis provided by two consulting firms with ties to oil and pipeline companies that could benefit from the proposed project.

EnSys Energy has worked with ExxonMobil, BP and Koch Industries, which own oil sands production facilities and refineries in the Midwest that process heavy Canadian crude oil. Imperial Oil, one of Canada's largest oil sands producers, is a subsidiary of Exxon.

Source

These people also work in and with the EPA which has become a goddamn joke. Democrats in the Senate, in the House and in the White House... another goddamned joke. Lip service to Liberals and the Left sell outs to the Right. Big Oil, Big Biotech, Big Pharma run our country now, have for a while... there's just less and less need to hide it now.

This expansion will create a few jobs but that isn't nearly enough to justify throwing a party about this. Nice to know that the people celebrating in this thread don't actually give a crap about individual rights or sovereignty, peoples property will literally be bulldozed against their will so that the pipeline can go through but that's okay because we'll be oil independent! Except that we won't be, every drop of what we refine will be exported.

Keystone XL Facts

Energy Security: Tar Sand will not Reduce Dependence on Foreign Oil
~Keystone XL will not lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil, but transport Canadian oil to American refineries for export to overseas markets.

Gas prices: Keystone XL will increase gas prices for Americans—Especially Farmers
~By draining Midwestern refineries of cheap Canadian crude into export-oriented refineries in the Gulf Coast, Keystone XL will increase the cost of gas for Americans.

Jobs: TransCanada’s jobs projections are vastly inflated.
~In 2008, TransCanada’s Presidential Permit application for Keystone XL to the State Department indicated “a peak workforce of approximately 3,500 to 4,200 construction personnel” to build the pipeline.

Safety: A rupture in the Keystone XL pipeline could cause a BP style oil spill in America’s heartland, over the source of fresh drinking water for 2 million people. NASA’s top climate scientist says that fully developing the tar sands in Canada would mean “essentially game over” for the climate.
~The U.S. Pipeline Safety Administration has not yet conducted an in depth analysis of the safety of diluted bitumen (raw tar sands) pipeline, despite unique safety concerns posed by its more corrosive properties.

Climate Change: Keystone XL is the fuse to North America’s biggest carbon bomb.
~In a study funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, a group of retired four-star generals and admirals concluded that climate change, if not addressed, will be the greatest threat to national security.

Much more facts at link.

reply to post by TauCetixeta
What this vote and the UN Arms treaty vote have done is show that the dems know exactly what the majority of the American people want and have all along. All the Dems are doing now is what ever saves there collective backsides in 14.

Like Hillary and her flip on gay marriage politicians prove every day the lies they will tell just to get what they want, the mistake they are making now is to think the American people are still the freedom loving fools we have always been and don't see what bottomfeeding lier's they really are.....................yes I mean most all politicians from ALL party's

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


North Dakota only has like 15 people though.

On a serious note, states who produce basic commodities generally have lower unemployment. Basic commodities generally have a long supply chain before they are released onto the market.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Well, this Senate IS good for something once in awhile. If those on the coasts don't want this...fine...the map doesn't show it running there. A good many in the Midwest sure want it though, and we'll all try real hard to deal with whatever downsides may come. The upsides of construction and economic benefit are far greater though.

For once, Congress does something I'm happy about! ....now will it live to see the end of the process? Hmm..

Yah let the Northwest/Midwest have the jobs AND the pipeline. We have coal here too! Let the coastlines have solar for all their needs. They will still need electricity for their solar powered car batteries.

I am actually surprised that there were not more democrats voting against this. Although, Jon Manchin is no big surprise. He sold out West Virginia to the coal companies at will while he was state governor. I wonder how tea party leaders voted for the bill? I would think that they would be against it. If Obama signs it there goes his environment policy showing just how bad it is again.

reply to post by Kali74

people celebrating in this thread don't actually give a crap about individual rights or sovereignty, p

Really? It is the Capitalists here and those who don't buy into the Climate Change scam who believe in individual rights. The Climate Change scam is part of Agenda 21 so don't lecture us about individual rights and national sovereignty, which Agenda 21 destroys.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Keep living in that delusion, and go ahead and turn a blind eye when it starts to happen. I suppose it will all be propaganda when we start hearing about people who refuse to sell their land, being forced off. Agenda 21 may not be the answer to anything, but neither is sticking your head in the sand and pretending science is wrong. Get off it already.

Originally posted by Kali74
people who refuse to sell their land, being forced off.

You have to understand Kali.

Third Eye is a Raging Socialist, she wants to Burden a Few , for the Good of Many.

Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Well, this Senate IS good for something once in awhile. If those on the coasts don't want this...fine...the map doesn't show it running there. A good many in the Midwest sure want it though, and we'll all try real hard to deal with whatever downsides may come. The upsides of construction and economic benefit are far greater though.

For once, Congress does something I'm happy about! ....now will it live to see the end of the process? Hmm..

are they far greater than destroying the aquifers of several states? you can't "deal" with polluting the water supply of several states for the sake of making money, we tried that and it's destroying our world with pollution.

congress doesn't give a rats ass about anything but greed and power so if you think you can eat and drink oil to stay alive, then have fun trying because that's all the residents of those states will have. nobody with half a brain in the midwest want's this, because you would be wise not to kill yourself, trying to stay alive.

i used to value your opinion but honestly you seem shallow and un concerned with harming people for the sake of money and greed.

Well, first.. You didn't read the whole thread. That could have helped, given just how drastically my opinion on this happened to come to change with new information. The issues being looked at here are the relative size of a fishing boat. I ran into the Aircraft Carrier. (NO ONE else has even MENTIONED the largest issues..so I don't feel as bad now about missing it entirely) I decided I am making the thread .... One of these days I really will go too far but hell.... Who wants to live forever??

To what you said though? I've gotten these notes before from folks and I simply have to say.....contrary to what some think, I'm not here to seek praise, nor do I care for seeking more, if I do get it. I'm definitely not posting for stars and flags. I take it to be a sign I went a bad direction when I get NONE ....but that's about all the meaning I give to that anymore.

(The numbers feed themselves at a certain point and become self sustaining whether I even login or not. Just economy of scale to the numbers that does that, but it makes the system far less meaningful than some may think, who see the high numbers and think it conveys anything by itself)

I take everything case by case, one situation at a time by the merits of what is at hand, at that moment.....and while I'm conservative, I'll have words with anyone calling me a Republican anymore. I don't pigeon hole ...I never have. Just a square peg in a world of round holes...

So, if what I said about the Keystone pipeline is upsetting, I'm sorry to hear that in so far as I hate upsetting anyone (most of the time ) but even now, my feeling about the pipeline ITSELF as a physical conveyance of oil, hasn't changed for being a net positive ..... IF the other issue didn't exist to make anything positive it could have offered a warped, twisted joke of corporate greed and obscene robbery of both Canadian AND American citizens.

People have wondered...as I've read it ..WHY the oil companies don't pay much for taxes?? Well. *THAT* is what I stumbled on last night and what changed my view 300% on a dime. In fact, it wa an epiphany from ...after half the night was spent to be SURE I could be SURE of what I was reading. I did, I was and I am. Catch the thread.

Perhaps read everything before bashing next time tho? Ouch

* By the way..for all noting this... The routing for the XL pipeline was changed in 2011... Long long long time ago, in terms of the issues here. That should have satisfied most of the Aquifer issuers.. particularly considering the nation is criss crossed with these very same pipelines already. It's hardly a NEW pipeline by ANY means ....contrary to how they put it. It's just an extension of one already running 24/7. The main Keystone pipeline. (you'd think by the coverage, it didn't already exist and wasn't already in full production to the terminals in Oklahoma, when it actually has been and is.)

reply to post by jimmyx


Don't insult the people who grow your food that you pick up at the grocery store. Show some respect for farmers in this nation. They work harder than a vast majority in this nation.

Already Native Sovereign Nations are being violated without consent. Land treaties are being ignored or changed without tribal consent and in some cases without participation/negotiations.

TransCanada has a website that displays our Moccasins on the Ground Activist Training poster. TransCanada claims they have utilized this American process to "work with" the tribes, but it is just more of the manipulation of Fat Taker to get what they want. Say our "tribe" meets with the American entities of EPA, BLM, etc. and we voice "NO, don't come through here." The entities will say, but we have the right to come through there, it does not violate any law. That is not a consultation, it is the federal government telling us what they will do. Our Red Nations have all opposed the Keystone XL pipeline and called upon Lakota to defend the water.

TransCanada is trying to make a big deal out of a mistaken American identification of who our people are and what are Territories consist of. TransCanada is trying to explain away how their tar sands Keystone XL pipeline application process for a permit to enter the big land is all above board and honest and good. Ask the non-Indian American ranchers and farmers from Montana to Texas how above board TransCanada and America have behaved. They lost their lands to eminent domain to TransCanada. They are the new Indians of today, the federal government is helping Fat Taker to take their lands now, against their wishes.

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The First Nations of Canada and America don't want the pipelines going through their lands, it's not right to ignore them, it's their land.

If you don't care about them, how about ranchers?

He worries that it could take years for the land to recover. And the pipeline, buried four or five feet deep, will be sitting in water, the same water that is part of the vast Ogallala aquifer and which lies so close to the surface that his pasture does not need to be irrigated. He worries that a spill or leak will spread because the soil is so porous.


“I worry about what they will do to the tall cottonwoods and what they will do to this view,” he said, “and the beauty of it is irreplaceable.”

But Harter, like thousands of other landowners, doesn’t have much choice. Two days earlier, Harter had been in court trying to stop TransCanada, which had asked a judge to let it exercise eminent domain and force Harter to give it access to his land.

Harter lost.

The Keystone XL pipeline has reignited the emotional issue of eminent domain — the taking of private property for public use — all along its proposed route. The vast majority of landowners have signed agreements with TransCanada, the pipeline owner. But where necessary, the Calgary, Alberta-based company is busy going to state courts to exercise eminent domain and lining up rights to cross properties throughout the Great Plains — even though the State Department and Obama administration still are weighing whether to give TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline a permit to cross the U.S.-Canadian border.

link

reply to post by TauCetixeta

I have never posted on here before, but enjoy this site very much. With that being said, I would like you all to be aware that the only pipelines that criss-cross Nebraska are natural gas pipelines, not the sludge KXL wants to pump through. The dirty tactics that KXL and their "thugs" have used to trick elderly people who own land in the pathway of this pipeline are disgusting. Furthermore, the water in the sandhills of Nebraska is barely 2 feet from the surfaces in most places and you can drink the water straight out of the artesian wells with no filtration at all.

I come to this site because I assumed that most of you question everything and do a lot of research. So when the main stream media is "all for" this pipeline, wouldn't a majority of you question it? The truth about this pipeline only comes from the people who are being directly affected by it, not by-standers only knowing the msm tells them.

News from the Heartland...

What will flow through the pipe is Diluted Bitumen (DilBit), which is the gooey tar sand diluted with lighter petroleum products so it can be transported through a pipe under extreme pressures. Benzene levels of this mixture are high, and benzene is a known carcinogen. Millions of gallons of benzene will be traveling just ½-inch away from our water supplies.
We asked TransCanada representatives if this were to spill, then what? We were repeatedly told, the product would float on water and TransCanada would be responsible for cleanup.
This, too, turns out to be not the whole truth. Some of the DilBit sinks and cleanup, as in the case of the Enbridge Kalamazoo River DilBit spill, has been difficult and is now into its third year at close to a billion dollars.
Then we find out the Canadian oil that goes through the pipe will not be forced pay the 8 cents per barrel tax to the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund, but American oil producers will.

York Times (Nebraska)

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Well, this Senate IS good for something once in awhile. If those on the coasts don't want this...fine...the map doesn't show it running there. A good many in the Midwest sure want it though, and we'll all try real hard to deal with whatever downsides may come. The upsides of construction and economic benefit are far greater though.

For once, Congress does something I'm happy about! ....now will it live to see the end of the process? Hmm..

Of course there's already an independent study out by Cornell saying that it could cost more jobs than it will actually create. Most jobs will be temporary construction jobs and it could actually raise fuel prices. Not to mention all the potential environmental impacts.

But it will make some oil companies very rich. Another good day for America.

Conrnell Study on job claims of Keystone Pipeline

The pipeline has always been going to be built just a little show for the tree huggers that really do like their oil. The land isn't being stolen it's being leased and the only difference you'll see is in the winter the snow won't stick so quickly because the grounds a little warmer. My farm has a 36" and a 48" line going thru it and the crops actually do better above the pipeline.

And I make money on the lease, pretty good money for nothing really being there.

reply to post by mikell


So you chose to lease to TransCanada, cool.
Ever wonder about what happens to people who say no?

What a bunch of ignorant support for the pipeline on here

I watched the whole congressional debate when the pipeline first came up.


Facts....

1= 100% exported!!! none of it stays in the US to help the US.
2= pipe goes to a duty free international port!! No tax revenue from this exported oil.
3= Canadian corporation so no income tax from the oil.
4= The land issue...It is a corporation so the use of Eminent Domain would be a violation of the 5th amendment..The Fifth Amendment imposes limitations on the exercise of eminent domain: the taking must be for public use and just compensation must be paid.

(source= the first congressional debate on the pipe line...you should watch it on youtube)


So all we get out of this is the jobs to build it. In reality the jobs aren't even guaranteed. Their is no law that states this foreign corporation can not use a contractor of their choosing, whether from the US or anywhere else.

So it is possible we get absolutely nothing out of this. The politicians are just liquidating our country..

What a bunch of gullible fools/agents this site has