Why is it that people with no knowledge of communism are so against it?

I agree. Most so-called communists just use that fact that communism is most logical and makes the most common sense to become dictators. Examples are the USSR, cuba, North Korea, etc. But nobody ever talks about Spain before Franco's coup. I believe that unless you've read the Communist Manifesot, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, State and Revolution: by Lenin, the Foundations of Leninism, The New Class: Djilas, Combat Liberalism (communists detest liberalism), I do not believe that you have right to talk about it. There are many more works that ought to be read on the matter. Most of ATS believes the lies of the West, but if any, those of you whom have truly studied the communist works, what is your argument against it?

Originally posted by NysgjerrigDame
those of you whom have truly stuied the communist works, what is your argument against it?

It has never worked in any country, anywhere.

Guilty by association is my guess. That and we are told it is bad and can never work.

Personally I don't think it is a bad thing. Sure there are parts that are pure fantasy, then again if you told people 100 years ago we could have a human being walking on the moon they would laugh.

Poor execution of the system by governments who use it as a weapon is why I think it has failed in the past.

Trial and error is the only way to make progress. The problem is we have had the trial, yet we haven't tried to make the corrections to the errors.

Kind of like sticking our collective heads in the sand and hoping things will work themselves out without our input.

Because they are ignorant and too lazy to actually read about communism.

Becuse enslaving the people for the gain of the leaders is not a utopia. That is what modern communism is. Sure we can speak of fairy tales where one hand washes the other in a society where the people do not know what it means to need by everyone being equal.

As long as there is money this will never work. For communism to work it would have to be called something else also to much red fear in general.

Also populations become too large for large scale communism to work. The bigger the govenment the more likely it will to fail. If we let each state create a government for themselves in a moneyless society communism will work we will just call it utopia.

It ain't perfect but neither is democracy.
We're headed into a different form of democracy, a direct democracy with electronic voting, which again will fail. They did vote for Socrates to be killed and America will do the same, they already are.

Communism requires it's just too much economical and individual oppression, it cannot work on a large scale, imo. There'd be more chances of Anarchism to succeed, well ones that are based on ideas such one I favor a lot, Libertarian municipalism.

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those of you whom have truly stuied the communist works, what is your argument against it?

Haven't touched this material since university, but let's just say it looks better on paper than in actual application. It doesn't work.

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lol.. and you think this Democracy isn't exactly the same thing?

This is the guy you look up to?

Why is it people who claim to be the most knowledgable about communism think its a good thing?

Determined to win at any cost, Lenin showed himself to be ruthless in his push to secure power. He launched what came to be known as the Red Terror, a vicious campaign Lenin used to eliminate the opposition within the civilian population.

Despite the breadth of the opposition, Lenin came out victorious. But the kind of country he hoped to lead never came to fruition. His defeat of an opposition that wished to keep Russia tethered to Europe’s capitalist system,\ ushered in an era of international retreat for the Lenin-led government. Russia, as he saw it, would be void of class conflict and the international wars it fostered. But the Russia he presided over was reeling from the bloody civil war he’d helped instigate.

Famine and poverty shaped much of society. In 1921, Lenin now faced the same kind of peasant uprising he’d ridden to power. Widespread strikes in cities and in rural sections of the country broke out, threatening the stability of Lenin’s government.

www.biography.com...


Always the same result, keep banging your head on those communist, socialist, Marxist walls.

why is it people who have never lived under a communist regime support communism?

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Never said it wasn't. Should we even call our next democracy a democracy because of the current government slaughtering its meaning.

Like "we had democracy under Obama and you see how that worked out. Now we have freetarian. Same thing we just wanted to change the name. Bad vibes from the old name."

Originally posted by marbles87
Becuse enslaving the people for the gain of the leaders is not a utopia.

Please quote where in the works enslavement of the people is mentioned. Thank you.

Well, one could easily turn the tables and ask how many anti-capitalists have read Adam Smith,Frederick Von Hayek, etc. Or how many progressives read anything by John Meynard Keynes?
I, too, condone reading some of the basic writings of any given ideology.
On my end, I personally find collectivism and central management to be destructive of the individual soul. True communism could only work if all (or very large majority) of society's members went along voluntarily. And so, it could only work in a community/state that is both small and culturally homogeneous(In other words, opposite of the United States).

Originally posted by timetothink
This is the guy you look up to?

Why is it people who claim to be the most knowledgable about communism think its a good thing?

Determined to win at any cost, Lenin showed himself to be ruthless in his push to secure power. He launched what came to be known as the Red Terror, a vicious campaign Lenin used to eliminate the opposition within the civilian population.

Despite the breadth of the opposition, Lenin came out victorious. But the kind of country he hoped to lead never came to fruition. His defeat of an opposition that wished to keep Russia tethered to Europe’s capitalist system,\ ushered in an era of international retreat for the Lenin-led government. Russia, as he saw it, would be void of class conflict and the international wars it fostered. But the Russia he presided over was reeling from the bloody civil war he’d helped instigate.

Famine and poverty shaped much of society. In 1921, Lenin now faced the same kind of peasant uprising he’d ridden to power. Widespread strikes in cities and in rural sections of the country broke out, threatening the stability of Lenin’s government.

www.biography.com...


Always the same result, keep banging your head on those communist, socialist, Marxist walls.

I'm sure Edison failed multiple times while creating the light bulb.

All it took was that one successful experiment to make it work.

That applies to anything we have today and take for granted. Most people couldn't care less how our smart phones work, just as long as they work.

Trying to make it work sounds a lot better than dismissing the viability of it ever working while at the same time supporting Democracy which has been warped from its original intention to a shadow of its true potential.

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So you are referring to the actual literal words of the man himself and not the people trying to discredit him? Please explain how you've use the man's own words against him and not another man's words against him.

Communism only works in minimal populations.

Commune. Ism.

You reach a max threshold around 50 people. Then it's a dictatorship.

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Maybe its the proof throughout history that it doesnt work.

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I'm sure it's not in there but that is what modern communism is. And like the other poster said it only looks good on paper. Humans have no desire to be equal ever. I will always want to be smarter, stronger, faster, better looking. It's human nature and how we improve on our species. If everyone is equal it goes against nature. Every human is created equal after that it's all how you play the cards you're dealt. Let's say you have this perfect communistic society where everything is free and everyone has their place set for them by the government. Do you not think the janitor will envy the doctor because of just the attention he gets? Of course he will. So how are they equal now? One is getting more attention than the other. And all it will take is for one person to be prettier than the other for the system to fail in today's society. Let's have WW3 and wipe out 95% of the population and communism will work or our species will die.

I wish that Anock or whatever his name is would show up. He knows far more about this than any of us could ever dream of knowing. Please come.

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Oh, good. Please explain what you disagree with in the readings which I mentioned.