Hey anti smoking bullies....I told you so!!

Well, I didn't have long to wait to say that.

I told you in many anti smoking threads that if you let the smokers be bullied and lose their rights, they would come after something you love soon.

No one learns!

Now it is fireplaces in California.......how long until its summer BBQs?

When will people stand up to fight for their rights and stop this nonsense?

I guess you all get what you deserve.

Please have at it and tell me how wrong I was.....

Right now i am going to light my fireplace and have a smoke while I still can.....

PLANNING ON CUDDLING UP BY THE FIREPLACE NEW YEAR’S DAY? NOT IF YOU’RE IN SAN FRANCISCO

www.theblaze.com...

California is the worse. How can the call themselves Liberals, when all they do is take away people's rights? You can get drugged up and have all the orgies you want, but don't light a fire to keep yourselves warm.

Originally posted by AnnKoontz
California is the worse. How can the call themselves Liberals, when all they do is take away people's rights? You can get drugged up and have all the orgies you want, but don't light a fire to keep yourselves warm.

Well it's why San Francisco doesn't look like Mexico City. It's not as if there are not other ways to produce heat.



If Cali looked like that you would be claiming "liberals" are evil polluters.

Reality check, Cali is not all that liberal mate. Gay Marriage banned, repeal of death penalty failed, second largest prison population, etc.

In fact four east coast states are more liberal according to this...

fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com...

Sorry but I just hate stupid stereotypes that people seem to love to spread around.

Well it's not a permanent ban, just temporary til the weather changes. I think this is a responsible act. Just like in the summer dry windy months, many places have burning bans. It's just common sense.

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Exactly......and once Cali or NY do it, it spreads like wild fire!

It just infuriates me that people don't care what is happening to our freedoms!

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by AnnKoontz

 

Exactly......and once Cali or NY do it, it spreads like wild fire!

It just infuriates me that people don't care what is happening to our freedoms!

If your "freedoms" are not being practiced with some common sense then laws have to be made.

If everyone was burning open fires it would unhealthy for everyone.

This is not about rights, it's about your selfish desire to do what you want, screw everyone else or the effects of my actions. It is that attitude that leads to less freedom.

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If everyone was burning open fires it would unhealthy for everyone.

Back in the days before people decided they really really liked being cooped up like sardines in cities with millions of other people, open burning wasn't a problem.

Maybe we should ban cities since they're what's really unhealthy for everyone.

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Well cities are the result of capitalism. Before capitalism we lived like you said. It was the the inclosure laws that forced the people off the land and into cities looking for "jobs".

So the answer if you want to get rid of cities is to get rid of capitalism, and free up private land for people to use.

If not then we need to control pollution in our cities, is that so wrong?

BTW they have always had 'spare the air' days in the Bay area.

Spare the Air in the San Francisco Bay Area

Because it makes sense. It's not taking away your freedom, it is being considerate to other city dwellers.

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That is assuming they still eat meat.

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by frazzle

 

Well cities are the result of capitalism. Before capitalism we lived like you said. It was the the inclosure laws that forced the people off the land and into cities looking for "jobs".

So the answer if you want to get rid of cities is to get rid of capitalism, and free up private land for people to use.

If not then we need to control pollution in our cities, is that so wrong?

BTW they have always had 'spare the air' days in the Bay area.

Spare the Air in the San Francisco Bay Area

Because it makes sense.

edit on 1/1/2013 by ANOK because: (no reason given)

There's more to the story than that. Capitalism was deeply engrained in the US long before hundreds of millions of people began moving to the cities and for the most part, they were DRIVEN to industrialized cities by WARS fomented by capitalists and that's what caused the downfall of rural America. In case you haven't noticed, they're still pushing people into ever tighter cans ~ now called MICRO housing.

CAPITALISM DOMINANT, 1865-1920
Between 1865 and 1920, the United States became the world's leading industrial capitalist nation. There was nothing inevitable about this development. Two principal obstacles blocked the way, each of them arising from capitalism itself: (1) a growing working class which increasingly insisted on sharing the fruits of industrial production and (2) competition among existing firms, originated over the years 1790-1865, grew extreme. (The former will be discussed in the next chapter.)

www.newhistory.org...

During World War I, the government guaranteed farmers high prices for their crops and livestock. Farmers put more acres in cultivation and increased the size of their herds. They borrowed money from local banks to buy more land and machinery. As the demand for land increased, so did its price, and sales of Iowa farmland rose sharply.

In 1920, however, the government ended its guarantees. Farm prices were allowed to drop back to natural prices—determined by supply and demand. In this case, there were big supplies. Farmers continued to produce at high levels and soon surpluses appeared. As a result, prices for crops and for land fell. Those who had borrowed money could not pay off their loans.

www.iptv.org...


OH, but we have a job for you in town~~~the air stinks and the water's got lots of stuff floating in it, but you'll have a paycheck to pay off all your debts.

Originally posted by Gridrebel
Well it's not a permanent ban, just temporary til the weather changes. I think this is a responsible act. Just like in the summer dry windy months, many places have burning bans. It's just common sense.

No, it's been this way in nor.Cal for over a decade! All the Bay Area smog gets blown into the valley & the valley residents have to suffer! I grew up with a wood stove for heat in the winter (never cooked on it) but how can the state/county say "you can't use that method of cooking tonight"

Imagine if you could only use your microwave 3 nights out of the week? Freedom

The bans will be on for another decade, it's not "temporary"...

I guess the lawmakers would have had a serious problem with all the burnt offerings that were being made, way back when. Not sure how smoke is the cause of something...considering things like forest fires. But hey, these days...people will believe ANYTHING the lawmakers tell them!

America needs to stop calling itself: "the Land of the Free". Y'all ain't "free". You live in a dictatorship. How come generations past, never had a problem with "smokers".

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liberal Californians are just trying to make up for all the lawlessness that goes on everyday in California, its ridiculous

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by AnnKoontz

 

Exactly......and once Cali or NY do it, it spreads like wild fire!

It just infuriates me that people don't care what is happening to our freedoms!

The environment > your freedoms.
The environment will be here in whatever shape we leave it in, long after your freedoms are nothing more than mere etches on paper in an unused decrepit building in a new jungle around what once was a city.

It's been 42c here the last few days and we've had to suffer noxious smoke from fires, which makes even the hot humid air impossible to breathe. And in winter we have to put up with it when a thousand fire places are lit.

It just infuriates me that people don't care about the environment or the air everyone else has to breathe.

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by ANOK

 

If everyone was burning open fires it would unhealthy for everyone.

Back in the days before people decided they really really liked being cooped up like sardines in cities with millions of other people, open burning wasn't a problem.

Maybe we should ban cities since they're what's really unhealthy for everyone.

edit on 1-1-2013 by frazzle because: (no reason given)

Yeah and the population of those areas was.... Nothing like the population we have today. By a number of billions.

Maybe we should make sure people have a proper education and can grasp simple logic before sending them out into the world with a piece of paper saying they are capable of living in a world full of other people.

Originally posted by winofiend

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by AnnKoontz

 

Exactly......and once Cali or NY do it, it spreads like wild fire!

It just infuriates me that people don't care what is happening to our freedoms!

The environment > your freedoms.
The environment will be here in whatever shape we leave it in, long after your freedoms are nothing more than mere etches on paper in an unused decrepit building in a new jungle around what once was a city.

It's been 42c here the last few days and we've had to suffer noxious smoke from fires, which makes even the hot humid air impossible to breathe. And in winter we have to put up with it when a thousand fire places are lit.

It just infuriates me that people don't care about the environment or the air everyone else has to breathe.

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How is burning wood...affecting the air we breath? The last time i checked, smoke rises. And, don't trees breath bad air and and produce good air? The logic of wood burning being unhealthy, just doesn't make sense. Kinda like saying second hand smoke causes lung cancer. Who's writing these scripts? I SERIOUSLY doubt...smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer. My mom was a chain smoker...practically all her life...and she never got lung cancer. She did, however, get breast cancer...but it had NOTHING to do with cigarettes! It was more of a result from a poor lifestyle and unforgiveness in her heart. Some things...she just couldn't let go of. Those things...eventually eat you til you die!

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Well cities are the result of capitalism.

really............

So then why did russia, China and many other communist /socialist countries have cities.........

Sorry but saying that cities are just the result of capitalism , to try and make some political point is stupid.......

If you lived in a communal society you would still have cities...........

reply to post by winofiend

Yeah and the population of those areas was.... Nothing like the population we have today. By a number of billions.

Maybe we should make sure people have a proper education and can grasp simple logic before sending them out into the world with a piece of paper saying they are capable of living in a world full of other people.

I agree. We should make sure people have the correct facts before they make fools of themselves. The US is not filled, not by any stretch of the imagination

States With the Most Land Owned by the Federal Government

Nevada 84.5%

Alaska 69.1%

Utah 57.5%

Oregon 53.1%

Idaho 50.2%

Arizona 48.1%

California 45.3%

Wyoming 42.3%

New Mexico 41.8%

Colorado 36.6%

Washington 30.3%

Montana 29.9%

Hawaii 19.4%

Then if you really wanted to nitpick, we could go into how much of the BALANCE of land in those states is owned by the individual state governments. Then subtract and you'll know how little is privately owned.

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Progressives that are towards the middle need to wake up and fast. The people you support are in fact fascist.




Do we want America to turn into Europe? If you consider yourself progressive and answer NO. Stop supporting these fascist scum. It is what it is at this point.



The progressive mindset is the failure of us all. It will only lead to one thing and that is more control. If you like control so be it, but for the rest of us see the progressives for what they are.

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Is it for environment reasons or more like if you don't have an open fire you will have to pay a fortune to the power companies. Then when there is a power cut you're left with no heating and no way to cook, it drives me nuts when I can't even put the kettle on. Do you have industrial sites pumping out smoke? I bet they won't be stopped.