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Originally posted by ArMaP
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.How do you know that?
Originally posted by LoveisanArt
- THOUGHTS are not physical
- EMOTIONS are not physical
But that doesn't mean that it's not physical.
When has science shown us everything the mind can do? The mind does not have limits that we know of. IT doesnt even hav borders. Its this mind we shape when we perceive and THINK, as we venture through reality or "Life".
Why do you write "humans" like that, do you have any reason or do you do it to look "cool" or "smarter"?
We as Hu-mans need to understand that reality is more then the 5 sensory version we can only perceive with our bodies.
Judging from what you have said in this thread, the only way would be for those that you want to "wake" to have the same experience, so get it done.
As people like myself have experienced this... its the point of why people try and "wake" others up. We experience thigns that society doesnt understand; it is spiritual or psyychic in nature, whatever you want to call it.
Stop speaking for other people, I know that I haven't given you any authority to speak for myself. How can you know what I (a sceptic) have or have not experienced? Being sceptic about something is just a way of using my mind instead of letting it being filled with words other people put in there, according to what is the "cool" thing of the moment.
But those skeptics and non believers have not experienced their psychic capabilities, the potential of their minds.. so they cannot perceive what its like.
And you know that how? Have you died, your body is over but have carried on?
People need to realize when you die, your body is over, but YOU are not over. You carry on.
Yes, but just posting smart-looking things on an Internet forum is not that much of an evolution, unless, like me, you did it to practise you written English and it did evolved.
We can perceive so much when we develop and evolve in other ways that arent JUST physical (mental, spiritual, psychic, intutive..).
When you experiment, observe, explore your thoughts and emotions you are auto-piloting your physical body to journey within your feelings and mind. How do I know these are not physical? Because they cannot be seen, heard, touched, felt, or smelled.. making them not apart of this physical realm.
They are apart of ourselves that is non physical, I refer to the spirit consciousness.
Look its SO easy to let society shape reality for you and only believe what you have seen or experienced... its what you havent seen or experienced that you JUDGE and write off as non-existing.. this to is confusing! Its the things we cant see or havent experienced..(ETs, space tech, dimensions, potential of the mind) that we need to venture and look more closely at before saying they cannot exist.
Man would never of figured out the Earth has a curvature; if he did not travel to the "edge" of the Earth and realize it does not have an edge... Man will never figure out other life forms existing, other realities existing, if he does not explore these fields to better understand what exactly reality is; and if it has more intelligent humaniod (or not) species in creation other then the Hu-man. extra DIV
Originally posted by Druscilla
Two words:
Empirical Evidence
Show us some Empirical data that any of this stuff is true, and we'll happily line up.
If you do not practise meditation or any type of mind exercises.. then your mind capabiliy and potential is shut down or "asleep" as we spiritual call it. You wont understand or experience because you dont want to go inside of yourself. This is WHY you dont believe.
Originally posted by mee30
reply to post by WiindWalker
Nope, he has TOLD us why we do not believe...
If you do not practise meditation or any type of mind exercises.. then your mind capabiliy and potential is shut down or "asleep" as we spiritual call it. You wont understand or experience because you dont want to go inside of yourself. This is WHY you dont believe.
Because the OP has meditated and looked inside himself he KNOWS for a FACT that aliens are real and he even has specifics about them (not just aliens btw but "multiple dimensions" and "mind power" (probably a whole host of other things too))... And because WE (the skeptics) require actual evidence and not just imagination that we are somehow intellectually inferior...
I think you missed the point, which was for the OP to troll and to tell us how special he thinks he is. Not to mention how ridiculous we are for requiring more than our imaginations as proof.
There are 2 types of skeptics:
1. Those that want to believe but require that hard evidence that has not yet been forthcoming.
2. Those that refuse to / do not want to believe.
Simon Gray, the person who started this site, was motivated to do so after reading this book.......
[snip --DJW001]
Cases contained therein motivate category 1 individuals to seek out further evidence - preferably physical undeniable evidence - to date that has not been forthcoming - but they are convinced that something is going on and want answers.
Category 2 individuals categorise all cases as swamp gas, Venus, Weather balloons, Chinese lanterns, CGI, rotocopters, tricks of light, mental delusions and psychological trauma - anything except a "UFO" because the evidence is not good enough or the witnesses testimony is not good enough - even if the witness is of good reputation and has higher academic qualifications than the skeptic in question.
Both categories have posted in this thread.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Originally posted by WiindWalker
Originally posted by Druscilla
Two words:
Empirical Evidence
Show us some Empirical data that any of this stuff is true, and we'll happily line up.
I think you are missing the point here. The OP knows that you skeptics are looking for hard facts and evidence. He is curious as to why you must act this way.
Correct me if I am wrong OPedit on 24-11-2012 by WiindWalker because: (no reason given)edit on 24-11-2012 by WiindWalker because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LoveisanArt
reply to post by Druscilla
This is the missing point.. your judging something you have not taken a deep look into.
Enjoy your forever black-silent death Druscilla.. with a name like that its obvious your atheist You dont believe your mind has potential, you dont believe the universe has other developing (intelligent) life out there.. ight go back to your box mind society manufactured for you
Regardless of what he said. I am curious myself to know as to why you skeptics need to act this way?
Admiral Lord Hill-Norton, Former Chief of defence staff believes in UFOs and has taken on himself the mission of persuading Government to take seriously the notion that we are being visited by craft of extra-terrestrial origin. He pursues this with evangelical fervour through numerous PQs [Parliamentary Questions] and PEs [Parliamentary Enquires], and is something of a champion of the cause of ‘ufologists’ in this country.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by LoveisanArt
Debunkers, why do you debunk? Skeptics, why are you skeptical? Non believers, what is it that you dont belive and why?
Inviting all opinions to the topic. If you are on the fence about these things, you can express that as well.
I hope this thread drags some attention, this does seem like a popular topic on ATS; its interesting to know WHY people do or do NOT believe. So please share!
~ Love is an art
No physical proof…..end of story…..
It is kind of funny that even now after all our great tech advancement over 6000 years we are still in the stage of eye witnesses and interpretations. Nothing more….well rumors and conspiracies can be added to it all.
Originally posted by mee30
reply to post by WiindWalker
Nope, he has TOLD us why we do not believe...
If you do not practise meditation or any type of mind exercises.. then your mind capabiliy and potential is shut down or "asleep" as we spiritual call it. You wont understand or experience because you dont want to go inside of yourself. This is WHY you dont believe.
Because the OP has meditated and looked inside himself he KNOWS for a FACT that aliens are real and he even has specifics about them (not just aliens btw but "multiple dimensions" and "mind power" (probably a whole host of other things too))... And because WE (the skeptics) require actual evidence and not just imagination that we are somehow intellectually inferior...
I think you missed the point, which was for the OP to troll and to tell us how special he thinks he is. Not to mention how ridiculous we are for requiring more than our imaginations as proof.
sub·con·scious/ˌsəbˈkänSHəs/
Adjective:
Of or concerning the part of the mind of which one is not fully aware but which influences one's actions and feelings.
Originally posted by LoneCloudHopper2
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by LoveisanArt
Debunkers, why do you debunk? Skeptics, why are you skeptical? Non believers, what is it that you dont belive and why?
Inviting all opinions to the topic. If you are on the fence about these things, you can express that as well.
I hope this thread drags some attention, this does seem like a popular topic on ATS; its interesting to know WHY people do or do NOT believe. So please share!
~ Love is an art
No physical proof…..end of story…..
It is kind of funny that even now after all our great tech advancement over 6000 years we are still in the stage of eye witnesses and interpretations. Nothing more….well rumors and conspiracies can be added to it all.
There is physical evidence.
Spring-Heeled Jack. Lots of credible witness testimony and physical evidence of his attacks.
en.wikipedia.org...
This sort of case is rare, as entities are non-physical (and rarely manifest in a physical way.) There have been many cases, such as investigated by Ed and Lorraine Warren and others, where victims have been physically harmed by such beings. Also, many pictures, videos and audio recordings have been taken over the years by many researchers (and victims.) This is all that any researcher could possibly do. What else would you expect? This is the point to the OP; it seems that you have to see it for yourself in order to believe. All the evidence that is humanly possible to gather, and no matter how many witnesses see the same exact thing, no matter how credible they are, it is never enough to satisfy you.
Is this truly a fair and honest approach to the truth? Asking for physical evidence of transparent, corporeal life forms is like asking for physical evidence of Pluto. All we have to go on are pictures and the word of those who have witnessed it through a telescope. How is this any different than pictures of ghosts, UFO's and other phenomena and the testimony of those who have witnessed these things?
Honestly, is this about honesty, or is it about comfortable answers? I don't mean to sound negative here, but I am honestly wondering how many skeptics really want to know (or acknowledge) the truth.
Are we not yet false for assuming there is no Extraterrestrial life or parrallel realities.. when we do not fully understand ourselves? Ignorance is BLISS!
Originally posted by mee30
reply to post by LoveisanArt
Are we not yet false for assuming there is no Extraterrestrial life or parrallel realities.. when we do not fully understand ourselves? Ignorance is BLISS!
This is the only relevant part of your entire post, so it is the only thing I can reply to, the rest is mere back tracking and justification...