I didn't want to start this thread but i need someone that knows the math well enough to help me.

Okay, so I've been crunching numbers on all the cycles of the mayan calendar, and the cycles of the zodiac, trying to find a similarity, and I have. But I don't know how mathematically sound it is. I will show you what i have come up with, any help or contribution would be nice.

Skeptics, I already know nothing is going to happen on dec 21 and its going to be just another day, enjoy your xmas shopping, enjoy the popcorn you'll be eating for this non event of a day.

This is something I like to do, so if you can't handle it, and don't want to contribute, then kindly go to another thread, thanks.

As we know, the mayan calendar is coming to the end of the 12th baktun. to make the clock read 13.0.0.0....

As we already know, there is scientific evidence to suggest something major happens on this planet approximately every 5000 years. 5000 years ago there was a supposed flood, 10000 years ago there was a supposed ice age..... 15000 years ago a supposed earthquake, and so on.

According to the mayan calendar, the period each world has, is 5125 years. Using our current calendar 365.25 days in the year. The mayans actually measured it using a 360 day calendar, 12 x 30 = 360. They counted in days, not years. I am fully aware they had other calendars that tracked solar years, but we are not looking at this in this thread. We are going to strictly stay on the long count calendar, and the zodiac.

when you do the conversions,

5125 years, becomes 5,199. 7 360 day years.

so we can basically say this

5125 = 5200

This is the length the mayans suggested this world would last. Their start date, was august 11th, 3113BC

3113BC + 5125(365.25 day years) = 2012
3113BC + 5200(360 day years) = 2087

So either way, they are both 2012, because 2087 converts to 2012 when you add the 365.25.

Basic math, I'm just showing you this simple stuff to help you understand what comes next.

The length of the Zodiac, is supposed to be approximated at 26000 years long. What we don't know, is if its 360 day years, or 365.25 day years. However, I think it is quite obvious that it is 360 day years, because we track precession based on how the earth moves through the constellations. We have tracked it at moving approximately 1 degree, every 72 years (365.25 day years). As we all know, there are 360 degrees in a circle. That is just an approximate number, seeing as the earth may or may not speed up in its wobble over time, recent evidence suggests the earth does vary in movement speeds. So 72 years per degree will vary as well.

72 years, multiplied by 360 degrees, gives us = 25920 (365.25 day years)

When you do the conversion to 360 day years, you get this

25920 x 365.25 = 9,467,280 / 360 = 26,298 ( 360 day years)

So we are looking at a zodiac length of approx 26,298 (360 day years). The length of a golden year. Don't forget this is only approximated at 1 degree every 72 years. It could very well be faster or slower.

Then when we shift back to mayan calendar, it looks like this

5125 x 5 = 25625 (365 day years)
5200 x 5 = 26000( 360 day years)

I multiplied by 5 because there are 5 worlds to a great year, we are supposed to be in the time of 5th world, or some say, entering the 5th world. Which is really is, we don't know. But nevertheless, there are 5 5125 year time periods to work with.

So now we have something that looks like this.

25625 (mayan) VS 25920(zodiac)

26000 (mayan) VS 26298(zodiac)

Now I don't know about you, but these numbers are awfully close to each other. Seeing as the zodiac and the mayans aren't even from the same civilizations, and supposedly had no contact with each other, both of these calendars come up to within 300 years of each other, and the zodiac, is an approximation, where as the mayan calendar is an exact number. You have to admit this is a little eerie.

With the 3113 start date of the mayan calendar, it turns out that we are indeed, right at the exact time for this world to end. However, according to the zodiac, we could still be within 300 years of it ending. But one thing is very obvious, is that we are definitely nearing the end of days. And when you look at all the other major world prophecies, right now certainly does seem to be a time that they talked about.

No one has ever been able to measure the zodiac properly, so the numbers have always varied, however, it seems that the mayans may have known the exact length. I believe that is why the long count calendar measure cycles of 360 days rather than typical years of 365.25 days. They did this to match the 360 degrees in the zodiac. This is what the mayan calendar long count cycles looks like.

1 kin = 1 day
1 uinal = 1 kin x 20 = 20 days
1 tun = 1 kin x 360 = 360 days
1 ka-tun = 1 tun x 20 = 7200 days
1 bak-tun = 1 ka-tun x 20 = 144,000 days
1 pictun = 1 bak-tun x 20 = 2,880,000 days

So as you can see the long count is based on 360 days, they counted days, not years. They had another calendar for years. Does anyone see anything wrong with the math, or can add anything to this? The numbers are pretty amazing when you factor in the 360 day cycles.

Numbers....more numbers... I hate math sorry bro can't help you on this one. But I'm willing to stick around and see what other members have to say about this.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


Wait I don't get your simple maths... You said...

So either way, they are both 2012, because 2087 converts to 2012 when you add the 365.25.

I couldn't go further because you stumped me here... add the 365.25 to what? And why would you add it? And how would it make 2087 into 2012?

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


So basically you are saying that we have give or take 2,505,600 seconds left until the end of this world.
cool

reply to post by mee30


3113BC + 5125(365.25 day years) = 2012
3113BC + 5200(360 day years) = 2087

the year is only 2087 if we went by 360 day cycles.

so when you do the math with 365.25, you get 2012.

I originally did the math using the 360day cycle, and then did it with the 365.25 year, and found that 2087 = 2012

Which means when you count the days, not the years between 3113bc and 2012, the calculations are exact.

144,000 x 13 = 1,872,000 days.

The fundamental problem with any formula concerning the Mayan or any other civilization is we have no way a knowing when the Earth was born or any civilization started, our calendar is only based on recent civilizations, where do you get this?

With the 3113 start date of the mayan calendar, it turns out that we are indeed, right at the exact time for this world to end.

Not possible to prove this period. Any conjecture is purely subjective. You went to a great deal of trouble to demonstrate something that cannot be verified as fact. The average life span of a human is only 72-75 years, so any information we have has been handed down in increments of 75 years basically give or take.

The calendars are all based on different perspectives throughout history. It would be impossible to pinpoint any specific dates. However, the prophecies have done something...they have made people wake up to the possibilities. This is all the more reason to live each day one day at a time...and love each other...accept each other...have compassion for each other...leave the religion out of it....same thing applies there....20 different religions to go with the 20 different calendars....none of it really matters...it's all semantics for the same thing...existence.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


Ahhh okay that is a bit clearer as to what you meant then... But it does beg another question, when did people adopt the 365.25 day year instead of the 360 day year? If you get me? When the switch over happened did they account for the discrepancy and change the year they were in?

Also i was told once that because of the romans dates have been messed up, something to do with roman numerals not having a 0. I can't remember it precisely... It was around the time of the whole y2k thing. They basically said that the year 2000 had already happened, technically... Do you know anything about that?

don't worry about the math until you have considered the mud, wood and amber

reply to post by mee30


They never used a 360 day year.... even the mayans have a 365.25 day solar year... However, there was a cycle they kept track of using 360 days. Like a circle has 360 degrees. They calculated this cycle using exact numbers rather than decimal points.

reply to post by BrokenAngelWings33


The 3113 start date is gotten because the last time the mayan calendar read 13.0.0.0.0 was in that year.

Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
reply to post by mee30

 

They never used a 360 day year.... even the mayans have a 365.25 day solar year... However, there was a cycle they kept track of using 360 days. Like a circle has 360 degrees. They calculated this cycle using exact numbers rather than decimal points.

edit on 22-11-2012 by xxshadowfaxx because: (no reason given)

they also thought mankind was literally made of mud. then wood. then amber

so rest your weary mind, the mayan thing is just basically misunderstood

Another interesting concidence, is the fact that just about all the ancient civilizations started around the year 3100.

the egyptians are dated at 3100, mesopotamia is also dated at 3100, the kali yuga is dated at 3102...


It looks like the year 3100 is the perfect time for a beginning of this world. Anytime you go back in history further than they, it becomes very obscure. so 3113 seems pretty accurate.

Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
Another interesting concidence, is the fact that just about all the ancient civilizations started around the year 3100.

the egyptians are dated at 3100, mesopotamia is also dated at 3100, the kali yuga is dated at 3102...


It looks like the year 3100 is the perfect time for a beginning of this world. Anytime you go back in history further than they, it becomes very obscure. so 3113 seems pretty accurate.

That's because thats when civilization started up again after the last "end of the world".

We're about to do it all over again.
In 100 years the only people around will be great grandchildren of the surviving "last" generation. The ones that saw it all go down and survived somehow.
This future generation will only have stories of cars and airplanes and spaceships and the internet.
They will have to reinvent everything and hopefully master building fires and hunting game.

Originally posted by BrokenAngelWings33
The fundamental problem with any formula concerning the Mayan or any other civilization is we have no way a knowing when the Earth was born or any civilization started, our calendar is only based on recent civilizations, where do you get this?

With the 3113 start date of the mayan calendar, it turns out that we are indeed, right at the exact time for this world to end.

Not possible to prove this period. Any conjecture is purely subjective. You went to a great deal of trouble to demonstrate something that cannot be verified as fact. The average life span of a human is only 72-75 years, so any information we have has been handed down in increments of 75 years basically give or take.

The calendars are all based on different perspectives throughout history. It would be impossible to pinpoint any specific dates. However, the prophecies have done something...they have made people wake up to the possibilities. This is all the more reason to live each day one day at a time...and love each other...accept each other...have compassion for each other...leave the religion out of it....same thing applies there....20 different religions to go with the 20 different calendars....none of it really matters...it's all semantics for the same thing...existence.

I will submit to you that your thinking is faulty, based on many of the inconsistencies in the age of this planet and how these calendars were derived...think about what I am saying before you decide to stick with the reasoning you have based on other calendars with similar start ups...the Earth is over 4 billion years old give or take 1 billion...no way for us to base our perception of the procession of the equinox or zodiac from inconsistent information.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


You're driving yourself crazy over this.. you do realize that right?

Mama Maya!!

Nowa I'va gotta hurta... ina da heada.

It's a bit odd to claim that the last ice age happened 10,000 years ago.. it ended about then, but started about 100,000 years ago.

hmmm.. ahhh details, who needs 'em!

Also sceptics are by definition sceptical. Not debunkers or believers in the opposite.

reply to post by PurpleVortex


why the hell even make a post? its like people who post "cool thread i dont have time to read it but im flagging it for later"

3113BC + 5125(365.25 day years) = 2012
3113BC + 5200(360 day years) = 2087

1 kin = 1 day
1 uinal = 1 kin x 20 = 20 days
1 tun = 1 kin x 360 = 360 days
1 ka-tun = 1 tun x 20 = 7200 days
1 bak-tun = 1 ka-tun x 20 = 144,000 days
1 pictun = 1 bak-tun x 20 = 2,880,000 days

A golden rule in Math is that when adding or subtracting two numbers each must be of the same unit.

360 days is one "tun" . NOT, 1 year. 1 Year is 365.25 days. Therefore the units differ.

If you are starting at 3113BC, means 3113 years before the birth of christ. NOT 3113 "tuns". Therefore you cant add 3113 years and 5200 tuns. You can however add 3113 years before christ and 5125 years (see, both are of the same unit). Where 5125 years is (144,000 days * 13)/365.25

If your original value is in tuns (that is the start date) then you can add 5200 "tuns" to it. But since your start date is in years you must add 5125 years to it.

Therefore the calculation of 2012 is correct.

reply to post by sonik


I didn't add years or tuns to the 3113 year...

Instead I added days.

then converted the days into 365.25 and 360 respectively.

I always reconvert anything to do with the 360 day cycle back into years.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


Cheers, but what about the roman part of my comment? Also there was a thread earlier that pointed out how the pope has said how they have jesus's birthday wrong, and he was born earlier than thought... The point still remains that we don't even know if it is exactly 2012 today... So...