GOP civil war: Herman Cain calls for third party

Originally posted by theconspirator
sounds like this new 3rd party will have all the funding it needs to stand a chance, which be run by the same people the GOP now is run by, all at the same time, destroying the libery movements/libertarians chances of picking up steam

If Herman Cain has anything to do with it.



Hes also out of touch, with reality.

The answer. IMO, boils down to one mans influences. Grover Norquist. He's the single most destructive factor to the GOP and the last bastion standing in the way of the GOP becoming a viable party again. Historically the GOP had the same values but was willing to compromise and negotiate around those values - with much success. But Norquist and his overly empowered one man lobbying crusade has painted the entire party into an inescapable corner.

If the GOP wants to become a strong and publicly acceptable party again, they are going to have to renounce their pledges to Norquist ( no new taxes - ever ) and create a new platform that is based upon a far less absolutist and real world doctrine.

The party itself will have to endure a schism - with the most right wing members moving on. Zealotry doesn't work in America. Not for long at least.

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide


Honestly Heff?

I cant see a transformation happening.

My honest opinion.

reply to post by sonnny1


In the short term I don't see it either. For the next two years I think we'll see a total circling of the wagons and a much more entrenched and dogmatically fixated GOP. IMO they'll stick with the strategy of being the party of "no" and will turn up the zealotry ten fold.

If this happens I think that the midterms will prove to be disastrous for the GOP - and then the moderates in the party will seize control. The GOP cannot survive, IMO, otherwise.

This will create a third party - something like a much more militant Tea Party - and that party will, hopefully, fade into obscurity over time.

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide

I honestly cant see a transformation either m8,when an institution is so corrupt it must be allowed to crash and burn so you can start from the ground up

I usually don't get into politics. But Ron Paul was the guy who had the most common sense and courage to help this country move forward. Believe it or not, many people of color were ready to vote for him. The crap about people thinking he was a racist was blown out of proportion by your own party. When Ron spoke it made sense. Unfortunately I think many people would hold his age against him. So he would probably do better with a cabinet position. ( Hey Obama you listening?) On the other hand, I never hear republicans speak of Christie as a viable option. To an outsider like me he seems like he could get the job done. He's open minded, smart, down to earth and has strong convictions whether they align with his party or not. Is there a reason the party does not push him to the forefront?

I am wondering just how many of you complaining voted for the status quo. I didn't and I am totally sick of our limited choices.

How many were only concerned about the next four years? I have heard that excuse till I am sick of the short sightedness.

I don't understand a someone letting themself be defined by a party and fighting so hard for it unless they have their own agenda, ie, some benefit.

What the hell happened to freedom and liberty and the constitution?

I don't care a rats ass who pushes for a third party just so it happens. And by the way, I think a third party is not enough, how about 4 or 5.

I was talking to a guy in the grocery store the other day who is from Napal. They have 6 parties. Now don't beat me down about Napal cause i don't have a clue but really folks. We need to get a clue.

Republicans can stay and support their fundamental christian right wing constiutants but most of American is not that republican party nor are we bordering on socialism.

reply to post by sonnny1


I called it! I figured that after this most recent GOP Presidential defeat they would start the infighting. They shouldn't be mad, they picked a weak nominee who couldn't decide which side of the fence he was on day to day. Romney's campaign couldn't stay on message and honestly, America doesn't want to go back the 1950s. The voting demographic has changed and the Republicans acted like this was the 1950 demographic of America. They catered to White Christian Men then found out there are other groups in America who voted against them. But alas..let the fighting begin.

reply to post by FreebirdGirl


The Republicans threw Ron Paul and his supporters under the bus at the convention. After that they didn't even have the decency to even let the man speak at the convention like he didn't exist. The Republicans got what they deserved when Obama spanked Romney in the general election. America has moved on past the Republican party.

reply to post by sonnny1


the republicans just don't get it.
they do everything possible to alienate blacks, latinos, and gays
they think they can continue their bigotry and survive

they can't

until they change their social view points they will never win another white house because the minority groups will never vote for them and it is so funny to see them bashing Mitt Romney, yet a week ago they all loved him, before they hated him a year before that

The repubs have an image problem, when they tried all these voter intimidating tactics, they got what they deserved, and if they refuse to play ball with Obama and co. more republicans will be ousted, in short stop marketing towards stubborn old people who grew up in an entirely different world, it's 2012, get in the god damn 21st century

When the karma comes down upon the morally bankrupt in this country, it is not going to be a pretty sight. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

My husband and I were discussing the election results and what the aftermath will be and this thread pretty well summed up our conversation. I made the exact same point to him about how we Ron Paul supporters were treated and then just expected to fall in line and jump on the Romney bandwagon despite everything that happened prior. For me, it boiled down to "When we tell you that you can't win without us, you better keep that in mind before throwing us under the bus."

I'm really hoping that this will bring a strong opportunity for a 3rd party to gain some traction in the national conversation and in future elections. As it is now, neither of the two big parties seems like a good fit for me and the Libertarians just keep getting pushed to the side. Maybe now that will change.

Take care,
Cindi

Originally posted by CoolStoryMan
reply to post by sonnny1

 

the republicans just don't get it.
they do everything possible to alienate blacks, latinos, and gays
they think they can continue their bigotry and survive

they can't

until they change their social view points they will never win another white house because the minority groups will never vote for them and it is so funny to see them bashing Mitt Romney, yet a week ago they all loved him, before they hated him a year before that

The repubs have an image problem, when they tried all these voter intimidating tactics, they got what they deserved, and if they refuse to play ball with Obama and co. more republicans will be ousted, in short stop marketing towards stubborn old people who grew up in an entirely different world, it's 2012, get in the god damn 21st century

I think you mean the minorities will never vote for anyone but the Barack types who promise free stuff and goodies from the govt teet. LIberalspeak is so convoluted they can never say what they mean without projecting their stuff onto everyone else.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


There were a fair few from minorities who would have voted for ron paul and he was talking about taking away free stuff.

reply to post by CoolStoryMan


Both Partys play this game.

The GOP though doesn't have a definition. They have lost their way. Its clear.

reply to post by Glencairn



Hey Cindi!

Yes, I would hope to see next elections, a big sway in the Third Party thats already established. Not the one Herman Cain wants. That one will be made of money, Lobbyists, and most likely a GOP re-branding.

I was going to write a long in depth post about how the progressives have infested both parties and that is why everything is so upside down. But whats the point.



The truth does not matter and neither do the facts. When the good people of a country elect a man who will not release his college records or save fellow Americans during a attack whats the point of even arguing.



And what was are other choice. He is the same man wrapped up with a Mormon bow. American is a very bad joke. The good people of Greece are better Americans.

reply to post by sonnny1


Heya!

I definitely agree. I do think that the already established other parties need to be the ones getting more exposure. Or even new parties if they aren't like you (and I) suspect that Herman Cain's retread of the GOP would be. The problem seems to be in having them not be taken over and then changed from within. We saw that happen to the Tea Partiers and the OWS movements.

There isn't anything that I can say differently than has been said by others already, but I hate feeling that there is no party that represents me anymore.

Take care,
Cindi

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by CoolStoryMan
reply to post by sonnny1

 

the republicans just don't get it.
they do everything possible to alienate blacks, latinos, and gays
they think they can continue their bigotry and survive

they can't

until they change their social view points they will never win another white house because the minority groups will never vote for them and it is so funny to see them bashing Mitt Romney, yet a week ago they all loved him, before they hated him a year before that

The repubs have an image problem, when they tried all these voter intimidating tactics, they got what they deserved, and if they refuse to play ball with Obama and co. more republicans will be ousted, in short stop marketing towards stubborn old people who grew up in an entirely different world, it's 2012, get in the god damn 21st century

I think you mean the minorities will never vote for anyone but the Barack types who promise free stuff and goodies from the govt teet. LIberalspeak is so convoluted they can never say what they mean without projecting their stuff onto everyone else.

Nope i know plenty of minorities with good jobs, this is the type of crap i'm talking about. as long as conservatives think like you, you will never win the major metropolitan areas, needed to win the WH

GOP got what they deserved for minimizing the Ron Paul supporters, the GOP needs to fade into irrelevance, the bulk of their party is to old to relate with the new generation