You have been lied too. Oh yes you have!!

That's right, you have been lied to. Often. By everyone.

You have been lied to by the MSM. Doesn't matter if it's Fox, CNN, CBC, BBC, Al Jeazera or your local news paper. They lie to you everyday. And by the way, they can do it legally...

What is more appalling are the five major media outlets that filed briefs of Amici Curiae- or friend of FOX – to support FOX’s position: Belo Corporation, Cox Television, Inc., Gannett Co., Inc., Media General Operations, Inc., and Post-Newsweek Stations, Inc. These are major media players! Their statement, “The station argued that it simply wanted to ensure that a news story about a scientific controversy regarding a commercial product was present with fairness and balance, and to ensure that it had a sound defense to any potential defamation claim.”

www.projectcensored.org...

You have been lied to by your politicians. I guess that goes without saying but it needs to be said anyway. They will tell you anything they think will get them reelected.

news.bbc.co.uk...

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinsky."

www.canada.com...

The Conservative government continues to maintain that it didn't know it was supposed to tell the public the full costs of the F-35 purchase: that the $10 billion it left out of the total was not a lie or even a mistake, but simply reflected its honest belief about how these things should be accounted, or at any rate always have been.

I could post a thousand of these examples and I wouldn't even scratch the surface. Politicians are professional liars. They, like lawyers, which most of them are, are trained to speak without ever saying anything. Ever listen to a politician talk about a subject? It's like watching a merry-go-round.

The police lie to you. Sometimes for good reason, sometimes not.

www.thestar.com...

The Star’s research looked at cases where a judge found a police officer lied, misled the court or fabricated evidence. In many cases, the judge tossed the evidence against a suspect. After officers lied in court, possessors of child pornography, a major ecstasy manufacturer operating out of a Scarborough house, drug dealers carrying loaded handguns, and others walked free.

www.cbc.ca...

The officers — Const. Bill Bentley, Const. Kwesi Millington, Const. Gerry Rundell and Cpl. Benjamin Robinson — are accused of lying during the testimony they gave during a public inquiry into Dziekanski's death.

www.straightdope.com...

Attempting to reconcile such rulings, state courts and lower federal courts have come to draw a distinction between two kinds of lying to suspects: intrinsic misrepresentations, or those lies that relate to a suspect's connection to the crime; and extrinsic misrepresentations, or those that have nothing to do with the suspect's connection to the crime but attempt to distort his ability to make a rational choice about confessing. One of the leading cases recognizing this distinction is Holland v. McGinnis, decided in 1992 by the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. That case affirmed the admission of a confession obtained after investigators falsely told the defendant, Holland, that they "had received a Chicago police report indicating that a witness had seen Holland's vehicle in the alley where the victim had been raped, and that Holland would have to explain why his vehicle was there." The Court reasoned:

Sometimes they lie to cover their own asses, sometimes it is to get the criminals, but it's still lies.

You are lied to by Corporations. All the time. The biggest lie of all is that a Corporation is a person legally. Really? I have seen a lot of corporate headquarters and not one looked anything like any person I know. They also lie to about the products they sell.

www.cracked.com...

Any restaurant that serves hamburger goes out of its way to reassure you how pure and natural it is. Restaurant chains like McDonald's ("All our burgers are made from 100 percent beef, supplied by farms accredited by nationally recognized farm assurance schemes") and Taco Bell ("Like all U.S. beef, our 100 percent premium beef is USDA inspected, then passes our 20 quality checkpoints") happily vouch for the authenticity of their animal bits. Their testaments to the healthiness and fullness of their meat read out like they were talking about freaking filet mignon.

It's how they get it clean that's unsettling.

The Horror:

Ammonia. You know, the harsh chemical they use in fertilizers and oven cleaners? It kills E.coli really well. So, they invented a process where they pass the hamburger through a pipe where it is doused in ammonia gas. And you probably never heard about it, other than those times that batches of meat stink of ammonia so bad that the buyer returns it.

www.addictinginfo.org...

In a recent study, it was discovered that the more the CEO makes, the worse they treat their employees. The study also railed against Wal-Mart who has repeatedly violated worker rights and laws concerning the workplace

Also, our economic system has incentivized companies to cut safety corners to make more money. This is well documented and doesn’t need much explanation here, but the government has a website that posts all recalls of products. It’s a very good website and you can visit it here (www.recalls.gov...).

Again, I could post a thousand examples and barely make a dent in the lies told to you.

You have been lied to by the government. This is different lies than then the politicians. This is the bureaucrats, appointees and so on. These are the people that stand in front of a microphone and tell you lies. Like Colin Powell at the UN. Or Eric Holder about Fast and Furious. A couple of the few truths a politician will ever tell you was said by President Ronald Reagan...

listverse.com...

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.

And my favourite.

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’

Your friends lie to you. To save from hurting your feelings or to just plain out hide something from you, they do it.

And you know what?

You lie to them too. So do I.

So what's the point of this thread? To point out that truth, as a human trait, is lost. Telling the truth has become a dying trait. But it shouldn't be, it should be first and foremost. The saying, sometimes the Truth hurts, for means, it hurts because we have become so unaccustomed to hearing it. Ron Paul said it best I think...

Truth is treason in the empire of lies.

reply to post by GAOTU789


Great post GAOTU789. You forgot one. We lie to ourselves too.

CJ

Telling the truth leads one to the start of the all this 'new age' movement but it's not new, it's very very old and very very real.

The truth shall set you free. It's a hard thing being 100% truthful but it is so beautiful when you find others that are striving to achieve 100% truthfulness.

reply to post by ColoradoJens


Yes we do. I ran out of room to post it but we do lie to ourselves. Too often.

Everyone, even you, tells lies. This is a very basic, human, flaw people. So dont tell me your somehow surprised! "Oh no, gasp lies" Or the exception. "I never ever tell lies.*Halo on top of head glows brightly*"

What matters is the capability to hide those lie. The best could be found out, if you looked close enough.

It's the lies told for profit and gain that are the problem.

White lies dont usualy cause harm.

reply to post by GAOTU789


I think you're lying. I think you forgot to add it.

reply to post by GAOTU789




“People do not believe lies because they have to, but because they want to”


Malcolm Muggeridge

reply to post by Domo1

And you know what?

You lie to them too. So do I.

I would never say I am not a liar. That in itself is a lie. I try hard not to tell a lie that could harm someone though. You couldn't find someone who hasn't told a lie. The difference is that some will admit that they have, others will tell more lies to try and hide the fact that they lied in the first place.

reply to post by GAOTU789


I think there is a human condition that says if you repeat the lie enough, you will ultimately believe it. Perhaps a defense mechanism of the mind. Too bad you can't be truly free as our brains store these thoughts ultimately. I have often said to myself I would be better off if I could accept my own BS but somehow I keep coming back to the idea that personal growth is tied to responsibility - owning up instead of deflecting and re-creating the truth.

I will say this - it has cost me and everyday I see liars getting away with it, smiles on their faces. I was told by my ex that this is what makes her "superior" to me. I can't live with myself if I lie.

CJ

Actually? Nice intro and wrap up and critique.

Well said.

We here on ATS expect solutions without being sheeple or violence as a solution. One reason why we come here.

Soooo, you've pointed out the obvious. We get that. (And well done again, I may add)

Suggestions?

And? I really don't lie, because I don't care who get's offended, but that's just me.
(I'm the Larry Davis of New Products)

I kinda try to call it as I see it with fact's.
(I'm an engineering kinda guy,mechanical,not electrical,I wanna bang a product on a wall)
EE's(Electrical Engineers) are way over my head working with wavelenths even on an ocsilliscope.

Good post though.

Idea's?

We've all been lied to, it starts from when we are children. Remember Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and the Tooth Fairy? To expect any different just because grow up is just another lie we have been lead to believe.

We are being lied to here also.
Won't go into details,but "we " are.



Nice thread,btw.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
It's the lies told for profit and gain that are the problem.

White lies dont usualy cause harm.

I agree..some white lies actually prevent hurt and harm, and even bigger problems .

You have to be careful with that though, because you can start fooling yourself into thinking all lies are good if they are for good intentions..and that run into a whole game of deceit.

The motivating factor behind the lie is what is most important.

What comes to mind here is friends asking you how someone commented on their new outfit and hairstyle. If that person actually said "she looks like a toy poodle that fell into a clowns tickle trunk".. you probably don't want to be completely honest about that. Deferring is the best way, without actually boldface lying with something like "oh ..he said you were stunning"

Originally posted by GAOTU789
reply to post by Domo1

 

And you know what?

You lie to them too. So do I.

I would never say I am not a liar. That in itself is a lie. I try hard not to tell a lie that could harm someone though. You couldn't find someone who hasn't told a lie. The difference is that some will admit that they have, others will tell more lies to try and hide the fact that they lied in the first place.

I wouldn't call you a liar and I think it's with in reason to say, you are not a liar OP. And to take it personal if someone calls you that. I've read some where just a short time ago however. That if someone says they never lie ? That should be the first person you mistrust. Because only a liar would lie about lying.

Alright who stole my Tony Montana Vid ?

SnF for sure.

Read my name and my signature.

I pretty much came up with my user name because everywhere you look, people are quoting and using the major news, political, radio and government propaganda as the truth.

We are all guilty of this. Some is worse than others.

reply to post by randyvs


Some people are just way bigger liars than others.

Degrees of lying and motivation can tell you a lot about a character.

But yes, we all lie...and I'd even go so far as to say we can all be hypocrites at time, because humanity has a way of falling short of the ideals they uphold for themselves, as well as others.

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds
reply to post by randyvs

 

Some people are just way bigger liars than others.

Degrees of lying and motivation can tell you a lot about a character.

But yes, we all lie...and I'd even go so far as to say we can all be hypocrites at time, because humanity has a way of falling short of the ideals they uphold for themselves, as well as others.

Maybe it's just my perception. But I tend to think of politicians as liars because if there lips are moving then their lying. I don't think I'm a liar, as in someone who rarely tells the truth. Which for me is what constitutes a liar. If you follow my weak sentencing.

A good book to read about the master of lies is "The Voice of Knowledge" and " The Mastery of Love" by Don Ruiz. Goes in depth about the lies we live and become to belive. He also discuss about the many voices in our heads (mytotes) that we begin to listen to and believe. Good reads!!

When HAVEN'T we been lied to???? Seriously. It's been going on for a LOOOOOOOONG time. Is anyone really surprised? If so, check out the history of any government and it's touters. Doesn't matter which country, which era, it happens all the time. That's why I am surprised when people "trust" the government, rely on the government or think the government is going to take care of them. They are the "commoners" biggest enemy. From over taxation to drug experiments to depopulation, THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED. Sheesh already.