Police Assault Ron Paul Delegate at LAGOP Convention

No idea what went on... the video below doesn't explain what happened before but from what im getting from the daily Paul and twitter is that he just won a delegate slot and then was escorted out/assaulted by security right afterwards.

Sorry for such a short post. I am just sharing this because i do not know what to make of it and thought you guys would shed some light on it... after-all... you're ATS.

Thoughts?



Daily Paul

reply to post by ugie1028


What are they shouting in the background?

Video seems absolutely absurd. The person being escorted out definitely didn't do anything wrong throughout the course of the video. I'd say to the best of my judgement, based on the history of the way this government and it's subsidiaries have been operating, that this was blatant censorship against that man.

reply to post by b3l13v3


I think they were saying 'The chairman wants to speak! The chairman wants to speak!' or something like that.

reply to post by ugie1028


Sounds to me that the chairman didn't like an opinion that didn't sit well with his own and contracted his militant no-gooders to remove the threat from the room.

Sad.

I heard "The chairman was removed" but I'm not really sure wtf was happening.
Definitely some tough guy cops.... -.-
There wasn't any lead up so I'm not sure what the cause was, but apparently police don't talk to people they have issue with. They just order and use force if the person doesn't comply. Sure that works for the meth head, but a civil servant in a suit? c'mon.

reply to post by b3l13v3


They are saying "The Chairman was removed".

Read these two articles...this convention was well aware of the trouble the Paul supporters were going to try to cause, so they amended the rules to prevent them from doing so.

www.nola.com...

www.nola.com...


From what I can tell, the Paul people probably tried to still vote out the sitting chairman...but with the new rules they needed two thirds vote to do so...which they didn't have.

From the video, I would guess the Paul supporters just tried to ignore the new rules and claim they voted out the chairman and put the guy being escorted out as the new chairman. The reason the original chairman is still talking is because he IS the official chairman.


Just more antics from the Paul people that are making Paul look bad...and he specifically asked his supporters not to do this kind of thing.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by b3l13v3

 

They are saying "The Chairman was removed".

Read these two articles...this convention was well aware of the trouble the Paul supporters were going to try to cause, so they amended the rules to prevent them from doing so.

www.nola.com...

www.nola.com...


From what I can tell, the Paul people probably tried to still vote out the sitting chairman...but with the new rules they needed two thirds vote to do so...which they didn't have.

From the video, I would guess the Paul supporters just tried to ignore the new rules and claim they voted out the chairman and put the guy being escorted out as the new chairman. The reason the original chairman is still talking is because he IS the official chairman.


Just more antics from the Paul people that are making Paul look bad...and he specifically asked his supporters not to do this kind of thing.

Actually I agree with outkaster on this one strange enough.. However the video isn't real proof of much being how short it is.

It could be very possible they had 2/3rds of the vote yet were not recongized as such and that guy could've been extra vocal about it.

As much of a RP supporter i am and how the hopeful wishful part of me that wants him to win so america could be great once more, the other more doubtful part of me knows even if he won they would martyr him. The human race has a destiny that has been set along time ago and we are well on way. I think my loss of faith in the human race to be true decent people is completely gone.

Everyone will ignore the real issues and talk about things that have no merit. Its all a bunch of B.S. and we are full of it too simply arguing for one side or the other.

I guess what I mean to say is that instead of voting for mitt romney I would rather vote for obama at least with him you know the end will come quickly. Lets just get the dog and pony show over, the Great Civil war is on its way and its not going to be nice.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Rules were set up specifically to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters? Is that legal?

I'm not sure exactly what happened there, but it sounds pretty underhanded.

Originally posted by N3k9Ni
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Rules were set up specifically to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters? Is that legal?

I'm not sure exactly what happened there, but it sounds pretty underhanded.

The GOP is a private organization...they can make any rules they want to.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher



The GOP amending the rules to prevent people from following the rules. Who did you suggests was guilty of "antics?"

How positively Orwellian of you...

Read the comments for the full story - www.dailypaul.com...

Sickening how they're treating the Paul supporters in these sham delegate conventions. This man had a hip replacement but they threw him to the floor anyway.
Looks like the are either trying to A) split the party so Obama wins or B) steamroller Paul and continue the campaign of completely ignoring him and his supporters. As if Romney were anybody but Wall Street's choice.
Tampa is going to be trouble this year, I have a feeling.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by N3k9Ni
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Rules were set up specifically to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters? Is that legal?

I'm not sure exactly what happened there, but it sounds pretty underhanded.

The GOP is a private organization...they can make any rules they want to.

No. They cannot make rules that allow them to commit election fraud.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

The Santorum and Romney campaigns asked that its choices for delegates be honored, and late this week, the state party's executive committee issued supplemental rules for the convention to ensure that the Santorum and Romney delegates were the genuine article.
"The Ron Paul people evidently are offended by this," said Jeff Giles, a party activist from Houma who chairs the Credentials Committee. "They want to select their people to go to Tampa masquerading as Romney delegates or Santorum delegates. We have ascertained reading their blogs around the country -- this is no big secret -- that they call it `stealing delegates.' They want to steal the delegates of Romney and Santorum."[/quote]

I worked the Caucses down here. And I have more to add to this. This is the same strategy used in Louisiana every year. Whomever controls the caucuses, in this state, lords it over the primaries--it's been that way for a long time. To be in a slate, to be voted for, you just have to meet the standards for that slate. So, a lot of Ron Paul delegates were on slates that would be for Mitt Romney or Santorum. These laws, enacted, were to stop what has always been the process down here. So, it could go to court. But we're just watching, for now.

But:

Wrong, said Charlie Davis, field marshal for the Paul forces. "We are going to select delegates who will vote for whoever they were bound to vote for," and "we'll probably see a lot of the same people," as the Romney and Santorum campaigns requested.
But, said Davis, the 16 pages of new rules "were so overdone it is hard to read them with a straight face." For example, Villere was made permanent chair of the convention, it would take a three quarters vote of the convention to overrule him, and only a third of the delegates constituted a quorum, apparently to enable it to work its will even if the Paul forces walk out. The rules also tightly scripted events down to the minute, guaranteeing the convention would end by 2 p.m.

Your source doesn't paint the picture you were wishing to paint. There's a huge problem with 1 man favoring ANY delegate at all having so much control. And no, he's not a Ron Paul supporter.

Another vid
title:Alex Helwig assaulted by Shreveport Police at LAGOP State C

Originally posted by N3k9Ni

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by N3k9Ni
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Rules were set up specifically to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters? Is that legal?

I'm not sure exactly what happened there, but it sounds pretty underhanded.

The GOP is a private organization...they can make any rules they want to.

No. They cannot make rules that allow them to commit election fraud.

These aren't government election...they are meetings of a private organization.

The GOP could cancel the primary process right now and just appoint anyone they want as the GOP presidential candidate if they wanted to.

reply to post by CynicalDrivel


There absolutely needs to be rules about when rules can and cannot be changed. Being able to change the rules mid-stream in the middle of the process creates a situation fraught with every kind of evil.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I expect Tampa to be a big showdown. I'm willing to bet the goon squad will be there in full force.

I'm also betting there won't be any live coverage. Coverage will probably be delayed by a few minutes with plenty of "technical difficulties".

There is a huge problem with Rhinos being the same as the bullying Democrast of 25 years earlier. I expect problems due to the old literal: Bullys, not wanting to give up power. It happened in our precinct. There's no reason for a man to get in some woman's face, at the voting for the Caucuses, and yell for 15 minutes. It did happen in our precinct.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by N3k9Ni

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by N3k9Ni
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Rules were set up specifically to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters? Is that legal?

I'm not sure exactly what happened there, but it sounds pretty underhanded.

The GOP is a private organization...they can make any rules they want to.

No. They cannot make rules that allow them to commit election fraud.

These aren't government election...they are meetings of a private organization.

The GOP could cancel the primary process right now and just appoint anyone they want as the GOP presidential candidate if they wanted to.

edit on 2-6-2012 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

Good luck with that. The GOP at least wants to give the illusion of a democratic process. Frankly, such honesty on their part would be reassuring, and no doubt I'll see it, when pigs fly...

reply to post by MsAphrodite


Talked to my father, just now. He's been watching it, and thinks we will go to court over this and other infractions in the process. Damned shame, but corruption has been the name of the game down here far longer than in other states. We were supposedly over it, by my generation.