Nevermind the Apocalypse: Earliest Mayan Calendar Found

Nevermind the Apocalypse: Earliest Mayan Calendar Found

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The oldest-known version of the ancient Maya calendar has been discovered adorning a lavishly painted wall in the ruins of a city deep in the Guatemalan rainforest.

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Well here's the latest. Apparently the earliest Mayan calendar has been found. I'd like to hear end of the world theorists' take on this. Is the end of the world coming this year? Or is the hype just causing dostractiins and profits for "end of the world" sales people. The topic is interesting, but in my opinion has yet to prove merit. But it will be easy to tell in 7 months.

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They just mean its older then all the other ones they found. Ignorant [snip] actually have the guts to say its the oldest.

Yup, ive found more:

Science Daily

Soo facinating to see that when we THINK we know
something, it can be shatterd in an instant by new
revelations...

The project scientists say that despite popular belief, there is no sign that the Maya calendar -- or the world -- was to end in the year 2012, just one of its calendar cycles. "It's like the odometer of a car, with the Maya calendar rolling over from the 120,000s to 130,000," said Anthony Aveni, professor of astronomy and anthropology at Colgate University, a coauthor of the Science paper. "The car gets a step closer to the junkyard as the numbers turn over; the Maya just start over."

Now im not stating these as facts...They are INDICATIONS..
Nothing more, nothing less...

the painting found in the room is just as interesting.. he seems to have a nostril breathing tube.. and erm.. a tail.
Also interesting that (if the painting replica is correct) the 2 people depicted are of different skin tones!

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The article and post from the OP actually says 'oldest known of' ..meaning they are not denying there is still great possibility it is not the oldest, nor did they say oldest in the article either.

However this is very cool and a great find! Doomsday junkies won't like to hear it goes millions, trillions, and octillions of years in the future. But I think it is a very cool find! S&F!

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Oh and to answer you're other question.. In my opinion, Sales pitching 2012 related marterial makes quite a bit of money and I do believe people out there use it to their advantage, it sells!

So one Mayan calendar goes further... as opposed to all the others that have an end?

Why am I to hold the merit of this one over the others, especially now so close to the time when all of the other Mayan calenders are reaching the ends of their "cycle"?

Kind of a ridiculous notion to be honest.

Doesn't that put the timeline of man out a little.

How did they know the full cycles 100,000 years ago?

There are others who predict 2012 besides mayan

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i'm beginning to think saturno's discovery is being used as disinfo

very little info and your sources title is a bit misleading

The Long Count calendar used by many subsequent Mesoamerican civilizations, as well as the concept of zero, may have been devised by the Olmecs. Because the six artifacts with the earliest Long Count calendar dates were all discovered outside the immediate Maya homeland, it is likely that this calendar predated the Maya and was possibly the invention of the Olmecs. Indeed, three of these six artifacts were found within the Olmec heartland. But an argument against an Olmec origin is the fact that the Olmec civilization had ended by the 4th century BCE, several centuries before the earliest known Long Count date artifact.[62]

The Long Count calendar required the use of zero as a place-holder within its vigesimal (base-20) positional numeral system. A shell glyph –MAYA-g-num-0-inc-v1.svg – was used as a zero symbol for these Long Count dates, the second oldest of which, on Stela C at Tres Zapotes, has a date of 32 BCE. This is one of the earliest uses of the zero concept in history.[63]

The back of Stela C from Tres Zapotes This is the second oldest Long Count date yet discovered. The numerals 7.16.6.16.18 translate to September 3, 32 BCE (Julian). The glyphs surrounding the date are one of the few surviving examples of Epi-Olmec script.[61]

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5,200 years ago, the world of the Maya ended, and so did their calendar. For the Maya, time was a series of cycles that would repeat. Their calendar always ended in a terrible event. A new calendar began which will end in December, 2012. The Maya never said that life on Earth would end, however in one of their Codex that was not destroyed by the Spaniards, in the Códice de Dresden –it contains an illustration with the picture of the Underworld or Xibalbá: on top, it has a representation of the flood. There are also warnings of disasters, end of a cycle and planets aligned.
"Evidence shows that around 5,200 years ago, solar output first dropped precipitously and then surged over a short period. It is this huge solar energy oscillation that Thompson believes may have triggered the climate change he sees in all those records. But more importantly, they believe it has happened at least once before, and the results were nearly catastrophic to emerging cultures at the time. He outlined his interpretations and fears at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco. A professor of geological sciences at Ohio State and a researcher with the Byrd Polar Research Center, Thompson points to markers in numerous records suggesting that the climate was altered suddenly some 5,200 years ago with severe impacts." Lonnie Thompson researchnews.osu.edu...
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Originally posted by gwydionblack
So one Mayan calendar goes further... as opposed to all the others that have an end?

Why am I to hold the merit of this one over the others, especially now so close to the time when all of the other Mayan calenders are reaching the ends of their "cycle"?

Kind of a ridiculous notion to be honest.

What other Mayan calendars? The only ones I'm aware of is the calendar in the Dresden Codex and the text itself doesn't talk about the end of the world... Then there was the round stone calendar found in 1790, which was based on the calendar in the Dresden Codex. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong..

Originally posted by Jordan River
There are others who predict 2012 besides mayan

Want to reveal who? Other Meso-American cultured BORROWED from the Mayan calendar, so theirs ended when the Mayan's did..

Do you guys actually read and research for yourselves or just get your info from ATS?

And for those of you who insist the codex predicts the end of the world.. here is an academic paper on the Dresden Codex, a translation and explanation. Please point me to the part where the world ends in 2012...

www.mayaexploration.org...

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2102, what a crock.

I mean, if those spam emails are correct (and some are)

due to the romans implementing day light savings, the 'mayans' 2012 should have occurred decades ago.. or is THAT hogswash?

From the article:

The Maya recorded time in a series of cycles, including 400-year chunks called baktuns. It's these baktuns that have led to rumors of an end-of-the-world catastrophe on Dec. 21, 2012 — on that date, a cycle of 13 baktuns will be complete. But the idea that this means the end of the world is a misconception, Stuart said. In fact, Maya experts have known for a long time that the calendar doesn't end after the 13th baktun. It simply begins a new cycle. And the calendar encompasses much larger units than the baktun.

So really... this calender is not any different from the others, the title of this thread is misleading. This older calender still operates on the same time frames and cycle lengths. What they are saying here, is what thousands of people have said for years: the calender does not 'end', it simply starts again from the beginning of the cycle. Now, lets get something straight here. No one is disputing that the calender will magically 'end' after the 13th baktun, that is just stupid. Of course it doesn't suddenly end, it is built on large cycles which could theoretically continue along for infinity should we keep counting the cycles for infinity. What people are saying is, that there is a great significance to the end of the baktun cycle.

Yes, of course it does restart, but that in no way dictates there is no significance to the end of the cycle. I honestly cannot believe we have been reduced to such simplistic discussions about this, where the conversation is based around whether the calender actually ends or is designed to keep going. All calenders are made to keep track of time for an infinite amount of time should we desire to use the calenders for an infinite amount of time. That does not mean the cycles built into the calender aren't based on significant cosmic cycles built into the Universe. All you people need to stop looking at this topic from such a low level of understanding, it's absolute pathetic.

Originally posted by TinkerHaus

Originally posted by Jordan River
There are others who predict 2012 besides mayan

Want to reveal who? Other Meso-American cultured BORROWED from the Mayan calendar, so theirs ended when the Mayan's did..

Do you guys actually read and research for yourselves or just get your info from ATS?

And for those of you who insist the codex predicts the end of the world.. here is an academic paper on the Dresden Codex, a translation and explanation. Please point me to the part where the world ends in 2012...

www.mayaexploration.org...

edit on 10-5-2012 by TinkerHaus because: (no reason given)

The ancient Hindus for one. They believed the world starts out with everyone innocent and peaceful, then becomes perpetual war, perversion, loss of morals, etc, then the earth gets destroyed and a new age is reborn. Like an endless cycle. They point to 2012 as the end of one of the cycles.

And possibly Nostradamus depending on how you interpret his prophecies. Even Leonardo Da Vinci.

IMO I don't see how an older calendar found would debunk the calender that the Mayans have about 2012. A newer calender maybe, but not an older one. Because there's the possibility they learned something that they didn't know when they built this older one.

The Mayans were really ahead of their time. They knew things about the universe we didn't even know until the last century. When they built their pyramids, they designed some of them so that the sun when it sets looks like it's walking down the steps of the pyramid, and when the moon rises, look like it's going up the steps. (sort of a nod to their gods descending and reascending.) They did this with no computers or modern tools. It would be impossible for us to do something like this today without modern computers.

What sheeple who follow charlatans lies then have the cheek to say only tptb lies .

They have made millions off these sheeple, like some poster said it sells and the charlatan shepherds like the sheeps bank accounts drying up ready for this doomsday hoax. Year 2k came and went 2012 will go into 2013 without a hitch and the sheep will still follow and say only the government lies about things .

Well truth is they both lie about things more so the charlatans and their crystal balls
give us your money because we wan'ts it stock up on your dried food quick quick cheap cheap ...

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due to the romans implementing day light savings, the 'mayans' 2012 should have occurred decades ago.. or is THAT hogswash?

Yes it is hogswash, their math is wrong. The correct calculations already account for daylight saving. Do you really think people calculated the date based on a years which had no daylight saving? What the incorrect calculations are trying to do is add daylight saving into the mayan calender as if it were somehow wrong. It isn't wrong, and it doesn't need daylight saving. To tamper with the cycles in that way is to actually change the cycles to something which they are not and were not designed to be.

Just wondering, do these old calandars highlight saturday and sunday as well?

Seriously, my opinion is that humans have achieved the height of arrogance when they determined the rules for space and time and the end of the world when we've only inhabited this blue ball for such a tiny fraction of time.

Originally posted by Jordan River
There are others who predict 2012 besides mayan

I agree with that.