Brownshirts and You, why ignorance on the Brownshirts will cost you

When people think of the Brownshirt's, they think of the paramilitary group Hitler used to stay in power. There is one big problem with that thought, it just isn't true.

Hitler only used the Brownshirt's to gain power. How did he do that?

Simple: By making it seem like the Brownshirt's where such an uncontrollable force, that he himself lost control over them. Hitler was then given the authority to take over Germany's military and Police Forces(and special Prussian SS Forces) to crush this threat.

History remembers it as the "Night of Long Knives". National Socialist's after all "never let a crisis go to waste", and used the Brownshirt crisis to take out all their enemies.

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Who else is building a large 100,000+ strong army that they have weak "control" over? Therein lies the danger of ignoring the past, because it always seems to repeat itself.

Why is this relevent now?

Originally posted by korathin
Who else is building a large 100,000+ strong army that they have weak "control" over?

I dunno , the Pope? Oprah?...lol who?

Originally posted by EyesWideShut

Originally posted by korathin
Who else is building a large 100,000+ strong army that they have weak "control" over?

I dunno , the Pope? Oprah?...lol who?

edit on 12-4-2012 by EyesWideShut because: (no reason given)

I could play a guessing game..... But yeah that wouldn't amuse me.

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Blomberg and von Reichenau began to conspire with Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler against Röhm and the SA. Himmler asked Reinhard Heydrich to assemble a dossier on Röhm. Heydrich recognized that in order for the SS to fully gain national power the SA had to be broken.[12] He manufactured evidence that suggested that Röhm had been paid 12 million marks by the French to overthrow Hitler. Hitler liked Ernst Röhm and initially refused to believe the dossier provided by Heydrich. Röhm had been one of his first supporters and, without his ability to obtain army funds in the early days of the movement, it is unlikely that the Nazis would have ever become established. The SA under Röhm's leadership had also played a vital role in destroying the opposition during the elections of 1932 and 1933. However, Adolf Hitler had his own reasons for wanting Röhm removed. Powerful supporters of Hitler had been complaining about Röhm for some time. The generals were fearful of Röhm's desire to have the SA, a force of over 3 million men, absorb the much smaller German Army into its ranks under his leadership.[12] Further, reports of a huge cache of weapons in the hands of SA members gave the army commanders even more concern.[12] Industrialists, who had provided the funds for the Nazi victory, were unhappy with Röhm's socialistic views on the economy and his claims that the real revolution had still to take place. Matters came to a head in June 1934 when President von Hindenburg, who had the complete loyalty of the Army, informed Hitler that if he did not move to curb the SA then Hindenburg would dissolve the Government and declare martial law

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Things are never black and white.

What point are you making anyway? Is this thread anti-OWS propaganda?

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Interesting topic and comparison, OP.

There is one thing worth noting, however. The SA (brownshirts) were battle-hardened troops who cut their teeth in the frontlines of the WWI trenches, in some of the most miserable and brutal fighting conditions in human history. Moreover, many were elite troops who probed the perimeters of fighting. Read Junger's book "Storm of Steel" sometime...a memoir of one suh elite soldier (although not a Brownshirt). What those people went through turned most of them into something almost no longer human.

Thus, the SA was a true threat to civil society. They were not a manufactured threat. There is nothing really equivalent today; the current rabble is infinitely softer.

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I dunno , the Pope? Oprah?...lol who?

Ha!

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I found this link about a 100,00 strong, Zombie Army!!! www.theregister.co.uk...

Unfortunately it's not what I thought it was going to be......

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by EyesWideShut

Originally posted by korathin
Who else is building a large 100,000+ strong army that they have weak "control" over?

I dunno , the Pope? Oprah?...lol who?

edit on 12-4-2012 by EyesWideShut because: (no reason given)

I could play a guessing game..... But yeah that wouldn't amuse me.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ok, well tell me then... don't link me to another members thread. I'm trying to find the correlation between the SA (Which Hitler himself disbanded and killed the leaders) and OWS, can you expand on this? Break it down Barney style, I'm Dense.

Originally posted by EyesWideShut

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by EyesWideShut

Originally posted by korathin
Who else is building a large 100,000+ strong army that they have weak "control" over?

I dunno , the Pope? Oprah?...lol who?

edit on 12-4-2012 by EyesWideShut because: (no reason given)

I could play a guessing game..... But yeah that wouldn't amuse me.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ok, well tell me then... don't link me to another members thread. I'm trying to find the correlation between the SA (Which Hitler himself disbanded and killed the leaders) and OWS, can you expand on this? Break it down Barney style, I'm Dense.

Maybe I was a Gnostic in a past life, but if you can't figure it out maybe your not meant to know?

This thread is mostly a product of my irritation over people misusing the noun "Brownshirts"(when they should be thinking of Mussolini's Black Shirts), and how Hitler used the threat of his own paramilitary force to increase his own power. An act that enabled him to become a dictator unopposed.

Truth is the SA(Brownshirt's) may have been battle hardened Vet's. Back then EVERYONE was battle hardened compared to most civilians today. We are soft and often squishy these day's. Doesn't take much to scare people anymore. All the technology around us has made us grown soft and weak. So an inferior force(inferior to the SA) would still have the same effect as a well organized paramilitary filled with battle hardened vets.

P.S

Hitler never disbanded the SA, they were just kept around(the few remaining members) for ceremonial purposes.

I know what you're saying in your OP and I agree with you. Your saying it, not me. I will simply say I won't disagree with the sentiment and who. I can't find anything specific to disagree with at all....but you're saying it. Not me.

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by EyesWideShut

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by EyesWideShut

Originally posted by korathin
Who else is building a large 100,000+ strong army that they have weak "control" over?

I dunno , the Pope? Oprah?...lol who?

edit on 12-4-2012 by EyesWideShut because: (no reason given)

I could play a guessing game..... But yeah that wouldn't amuse me.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ok, well tell me then... don't link me to another members thread. I'm trying to find the correlation between the SA (Which Hitler himself disbanded and killed the leaders) and OWS, can you expand on this? Break it down Barney style, I'm Dense.

Maybe I was a Gnostic in a past life, but if you can't figure it out maybe your not meant to know?

This thread is mostly a product of my irritation over people misusing the noun "Brownshirts"(when they should be thinking of Mussolini's Black Shirts), and how Hitler used the threat of his own paramilitary force to increase his own power. An act that enabled him to stage the Reichstag fires and become dictator.

Truth is the SA(Brownshirt's) may have been battle hardened Vet's. Back then EVERYONE was battle hardened compared to most civilians today. We are soft and often squishy these day's. Doesn't take much to scare people anymore. All the technology around us has made us grown soft and weak. So an inferior force(inferior to the SA) would still have the same effect as a well organized paramilitary filled with battle hardened vets.

P.S

Hitler never disbanded the SA, they were just kept around(the few remaining members) for ceremonial purposes.

edit on 12-4-2012 by korathin because: (no reason given)

Look, Himmler whispered in Hitlers ear , Hitler killed Roehm & arrested 200 plus SA officers and had many of them killed & installed lutze effectively neutering the SA for all intents and purposes. It was a power play , kinda like a "this is what happens" deal, but thanks for the history lesson.

Now neither you or the OP have been able to intelligently articulate the insinuated correlation between the SA (A heavy handed violent paramilitary organization) and OWS (a bunch of non violent liberals with zero organization , no structure or leadership)

I'm still waiting, all I got so far was a snark fest.

As far as "us" being "soft & weak" speak for yourself , I'm a MCLMM

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Because: I said so.

Jking

Seriously though:
You have a hundred or so thousand protestors(paid protestors) causing problems. Protest's, quasi-riots, people just being rude, mean and worrisome to the older voters+ economic protests(protesters that interfere with commerce). Congress and the President "decide to act"(like some of the laws they passed already) and a whole slew of law's come into being that restrict our rights. Or if it is severe enough like with the garbage the NBP are trying to pull(I doubt they will gain traction though) similar things could be accomplished via Martial Law.


I just find it amusing, how Obama is doing something similar. He is puffing up radicals in the OWS and NBP to create some kind of a situation.

One thing people forget about the SA(Brownshirts) and the Nazi's in general. Much like the OWS people, they are getting their money from outside sources. In-fact, in the respect they are identical twins. As the OWS and Nazism(National Socialist's, hey didn't the National Socialist's join OWS too?) would of starved to death without outside funding from affluent people with an agenda.

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See , you had the balls to say it "Obama" Obama is in no way shape or form for "OWS". Don't pay attention to what people say, pay attention to their actions. Obama voted for the troubled asset relief program , he supported Jon Corzine in his MF Global Debacle , He brokered the pro bank mortgage fraud setlement 2 months ago, He raised more money in his campaign account from wall street through the DNC than any nominee in American History. You can listen to the GOP rhetoric , or you can look at the facts. At the end of the day everyone in washington is pro Wall St.

That is why this Obama/Hitler Brownshirt/OWS comparison is absurd.

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
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See , you had the balls to say it "Obama" Obama is in no way shape or form for "OWS". Don't pay attention to what people say, pay attention to their actions. Obama voted for the troubled asset relief program , he supported Jon Corzine in his MF Global Debacle , He brokered the pro bank mortgage fraud setlement 2 months ago, He raised more money in his campaign account from wall street through the DNC than any nominee in American History. You can listen to the GOP rhetoric , or you can look at the facts. At the end of the day everyone in washington is pro Wall St.

That is why this Obama/Hitler Brownshirt/OWS comparison is absurd.

Not really. Obama is a sneaky character. Mr. Obama act's like a neoconservative but surrounds himself with communist's. Say's one thing and blatantly does another, also some of the people he surrounds himself with are very worrisome to me. Some of the people he surrounds himself with would see to it that I am enslaved/butchered for either my gender or my ethnicity. That I can't ignore.

Honestly, I am slightly racialist. A part of me longs to live in a German American mini community. But putting up with people(well the KKK is mostly Anglo Scot Irish, different race/ethnicity so bad point) like say neo-nazi's, hell no. Those kinds of people make me sick to my stomach. People who seek to destroy, enslave or disenfranchise others, bad mojo you know? It is not so much that those kinds of people are trouble(which they are), but more so what they are saying is so awfully horrific that it should make a person want to vomit.

Those are the kind of people our President likes to surround himself with(people who see no wrong in butchering others for their race, creed, gender or political beliefs). I can't over look that, none of us can, none of us should.

"We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." Barack Obama


S&F

Originally posted by sonnny1
"We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." Barack Obama


S&F

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Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

James Madison

...At first I thought the UPS (United Parcel Service) was taking over...they wear brown shirts and there motto is "what can brown do for you".

Good to know my packages will still be on time and that we were really talking about some Hitler crap.

By the way, what is up with the couple of Germany, WWII and Hitler threads over the last couple of days? He's dead, they lost and the war is over.

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Hmmmmm.

Regulated or Controlled,by the Presidency?

We already have a well funded militia.

Recent Gallup poll data on the public’s opinion regarding gun control shows a change in the sentiment of Americans and gun ownership continues to rise. A higher percentage of Americans who own guns lean Republican (55 percent of Republicans surveyed own guns), but the number of residents owning guns that lean Democrat have made huge leaps in the last two years, from 30 percent to 40 percent. True to form, southerners (54 percent) and residents in the Midwest (51 percent) are more likely to own guns than those in the East (36 percent) or West (43 percent). A recent article in guns.com reports that about 34 percent of Americans own guns. Most of them are men, as about 46 percent of men say they own guns as opposed to 23 percent of women. Adults age 35 to 54 without a college education are also more likely to own a gun that any other demographic.

The Number of Gun Owners Across America Continue to Rise

Before you worry about Occupy training an army of 100,000 eager young domestic terrorists, I would urge some meditation on the likelihood of Occupy being able to recruit 100,000 people to begin with.