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posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 01:11 AM
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What Chemtrails Really Are
By Carolyn Williams Palit
11-9-7

"The United States does not torture." --President George W. Bush

We are dealing with Star Wars. It involves the combination of chemtrails for creating an atmosphere that will support electromagnetic waves, ground-based, electromagnetic field oscillators called gyrotrons, and ionospheric heaters. Particulates make directed energy weapons work better. It has to do with "steady state" and particle density for plasma beam propagation.

They spray barium powders and let it photo-ionize from the ultraviolet light of the sun. Then, they make an aluminum-plasma generated by "zapping" the metal cations that are in the spray with either electromagnetics from HAARP, the gyrotron system on the ground [Ground Wave Emergency Network], or space-based lasers. The barium makes the aluminum-plasma more particulate dense. This means they can make a denser plasma than they normally could from just ionizing the atmosphere or the air.

More density [more particles] means that these particles which are colliding into each other will become more charged because there are more of them present to collide. What are they ultimately trying to do up there -- is create charged-particle, plasma beam weapons.
Chemtrails are the medium - GWEN pulse radars, the various HAARPs, and space-based lasers are the method, or more simply:

Chemtrails are the medium -- directed energy is the method.

Spray and Zap.

This system appears to be in Russia, Canada, the United States, and all of Europe. Exotic weapons can be mobile, stationary, land-based, aerial, or satellite.

It is an offensive and defensive system against EM attacks and missiles. It uses ionospheric particle shells as defense mechanisms [like a bug-zapper shell]* against missiles and EM attacks. That means they spray and then pump up the spray with electromagnetics. When these shells are created using the oscillating, electromagnetic, gyrotron stations, it "excludes" and displaces the background magnetic field. These shells can be layered one above another in a canopy fashion for extra protection from missiles. The chemtrail sprays have various elements in them like carbon which can used to absorb microwaves. Some of these sprays have metal flakes in them that make aerial craft invisible to radar. Spoofer sprays. Sprays like these can be used to create colorful, magnetized plasmas to cloak fighter jets.

There are satellite weapons involved. Activists are using meters and are getting readings of microwaves, x-rays, and some other kind of emission that they are not sure of, maybe a low-intensity laser.

They are also photographing gas plasma generation due to the heating of chemtrails by electromagnetics. The technical names for vertical and horizontal plasma columns are columnar focal lenses and horizontal drift plasma antennas. Various size of gas plasma orbs are associated with this technology. These orbs can be used as transmitters and receivers because they have great, refractory and optical properties. They also are capable of transmitting digital or analog sound. Barium, in fact, is very refractive -- more refractive than glass.

What does that mean? Someone or someones are very involved in unconstitutional, domestic spying and the entrained plasma orbs carried on electromagnetic beams can be used for mind control programming. The satellites can be programmed to track and monitor various frequencies on different parts of your body. These electromagnetic beams carrying the gas plasma orbs stick due magnetic polarity and frequency mapping and tracking to people's eyes, ears, temples, and private parts. A beam with entrained orbs carries pictures in each orb just like the different frames in a movie. It is a particle beam that is also a frequency weapon.



posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 01:12 AM
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The satellites download holographic mind control movies, pictures, sounds, and sensations to people through this technology. The Air Force has stated in "Air Force 2025" that their goal is to develop virtual and augmented reality mind control. Depending on the how the computer is programmed or depending on the mood or intent of the person interfacing with the technology, you can be probed, bothered, gaslighted, frightened, manipulated, electronically raped, or tortured. It scans your brain frequencies and deciphers your thoughts. The satellites track you by mapping your bioenergetic signature [body biometrics] and constantly scanning an area to find you.

We are the lab rats for this technology and something is very wrong in the military or intelligence branches somewhere. Because developmental projects in government and military are often so compartmentalized, I suppose someone could be using and developing this technology secretly and without authorization. Then again, behavioral and mind control programs were an authorized policy under MKULTRA. Our country has a history of experimenting on its citizens. We are talking about satellite charged-particle frequency weapons attacking a person 24 hours a day. Psychotronic weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction by the U.N.

"HAARPs" can create earthquakes and can also x-ray the earth to find underground military bases, gold, or oil reserves. These ionospheric heaters can also operate as an over-the-horizon or under-the-ocean communications system. This system can control the weather or create disasters. Taken together with the aurora keyhole through-your-roof satellite surveillance system, Echelon electronic computer/phone sweeps, plasma-cloaked DOD Drug War helicopters and stealths, implants, and cameras on the street, it constitutes one, big global and space control grid.

These weapons involve beams. Two beams overlapped will couple into a particle-ion beam that will bounce off of a remote target and send a holographic image back to the satellite for remote spying operations. When you cross two strong beams, you can supposedly* create scalar energies. These energies can be used as untraceable weapons for nuclear size explosions or for defense. These crossed-energies can be used to cause a person's physical electrical system to fail or with a lower frequency, administer a kind of remote electro-shock. Visualize touching a positive and negative electric cable to each other on top of your head. Scalar energies can be utilized in hand-held military guns and on tanks. They can dud-out electronics or cause large, electrical blackouts. Scalar energies are practically impossible to shield against. You need lead, ceramics, and a deep underground facility to not be affected by these weapons. Or, you need to be up and above the field of battle.

People who are working on these issues hear tones and hums. If you hear persistent tones and static; have body vibrations, burning sensations, "bangs" to the head, neurological damage, or immune system damage; are hearing electronic voices or hearing the sound of a plasma; suffering from pains deep in your organs or constant headaches; or experiencing other anomalous activity then you may be being targeted by directed energy, mind control weapons. These weapons could be on helicopters, jets, stealth fighters, or on satellites. Directed energy beams and electromagnetic waves can be sent to you via hand-held devices or piggy-backed in on cell phone and satellite towers.

Is it possible that someone(s) are very afraid of coming famines and riots due to the ongoing, man-induced failure of the ecological system, and they are saturating the earth with chemtrails for large- scale, gas plasma mind control? Is this the last grasp for the world's resources? Or, are they just control freaks and money mongers? Someone would like to get to that oil under the melting [due to chemtrail-trapped EM heat] Artic.



posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 01:13 AM
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And, I guess the Third World is not a part of this system. I don't think that the developed nations are going to let them in on this either.

Any country that joins this NATO system will become mind-controlled and diseased due to the associated, intense, oscillating, electromagnetic fields, electromagnetic soup, and the poisonous, toxic chemtrails. Our DNA will break. We risk the earth's spin and tilt becoming messed up due to mucking around with the magnetic fields through this military technology. Maybe, it is already messed up.

It constitutes U.S. global domination via NATO and the erosion of civil rights. According to Charlotte Iserbyt and Al Martin, there are ex-KGB and ex-STASI advising our new Office of Total Information Awareness. They are the ones creating our new internal passports [national ID]. And under "The Treaty on Open Skies," we have overflights by Russian and German military. Who exactly is flying those plasma-cloaked craft that are seen all over this country and mistaken for UFOs by people who do not know about this aerial deception technology? Obviously, we have another "Project Paperclip" in the making. We can add the new thugs to the 2,000 Iraqi brought into country by Daddy Bush who are now living in Nebraska.

The elitist corporate government is going to hold the rest of us hostage with directed energy weapons in space, if the Policy for a New American Century group - PNAC - Bush and cronie think tank has their way, along with directed energy attacks against any country or citizen that they decide they do not like. These weapons can create climate war, weather war, mind war, cyber war, disease war, disaster war, and undetectable war. Taken together they can create economic war.

If this system is not stopped, it will kill billions due to aluminum and barium poisoning. It will kill billions due to crop failures and world-wide famine. It will cause heart attacks, strokes, and cancers. It will cause stillbirths, miscarriages, and infertility. The chemtrail sprays often have fungi, bacteria, viruses, dessicated red blood cells, crystalline substances, carbon, metal cations, lithium, other chemicals, heavy metals, and God knows what - probably smart dust, or nanocrap. Years of biowarfare testing on the American public is no big secret anymore. Spraying germs in the sky where they mutate due to the ultra-violet light -- brillant plan, my man. Are we acceptable losses or is this by design?

I know that many of the major players have big investments in pharmaceutical companies, GM seeds [seeds that can grow in an electromagnetic soup], weapons and directed energy development contracts, oil contracts, genetic research, and mind control research. Some of these people have had a familial history of financial and policy support for population control, eugenics, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Pinochet, Hussein, and various other dictators. Some of the major players were the masterminds of the death squads in Central and South America. They stand to make a big profit on our death and disease. Just take a look at Rumsfield and Tamiflu.

I assume that they know the dangers of this system and that they take care to stay in their shielded, air-filtered offices, homes, bases, and cars. I assume they take chelating substances to remove the barium and aluminum from their bodies and minds. If not, then they really do not understand the far-ranging implications of this destructive system. Congress may not understand just what a terrible weapons system and control grid they are funding.

As I understand it, Tesla towers attached to deep-earth, free-energy taps are to be created over the 10-12 magnetic poles and the GWEN system phased-out. Has this already been done? This should allow total control of the earth through giant, Tesla death ray-guns. This natural, electromagnetic earth was not meant to be an un-natural dynamo to power man's weapons or his utility companies.



posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 01:13 AM
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Over-unity systems [Tesla devices]* are as of yet, another unexplored and probably not understood man-made energy. We should be very suspect of free energy. As we can see, the forms of man-made energy that have been created and used in the past have not been good for this planet. Maybe it is time to reconsider the options available to us through the development of crops for fuel, wind, solar, and water power. We need world-wide, different, more holistic, renewable, energy programs.

Is there any good news? Yes. There has been tons of particulate dumping through the spray operations for 8 years over the Americas, Europe, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and from what I can find out, over Russia. And, what goes around blows around, right? So, these substances are probably actually global. It sure makes a ton of sense to spray poisonous elements in 24 NATO countries and let the substances be carried around the earth on the jet streams to poison yourself, your enemies, and all neutral and non-combatent countries. Talk about making more enemies.

The water, air, and soil of all of these countries is so saturated with metal cations that these weapons freaks should be able to zap and mind f--k each other quite well now and as often as they wish. Once they have clobbered each other with light-saber beams for a few years and razed and scorched sections of the earth, they may start to realize that this foreign policy will lead to a defective human race and a rotten economy.

Do you think they will have knocked some sense into each other by then and will decide that non-proliferation and arms reduction is the more civilized and mature direction to take in world affairs? I doubt it, cause only idiots would have developed horrific, planet-killer weapons like these. But, I'll bet the rest of the planet will finally rise up and tell these juvenile delinquents to quit playing with those rayguns right this second.

After further thought on Bearden + -- a big over-unity and free energy proponent of Tesla technology that makes energy off of boiling the ionosphere or stealing electricity from the mis-named "vacumn" called Life, I have decided that Bearden is telling us some, if not most, of the truth. Same for Eastlund.


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posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 01:19 AM
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WE THE PEOPLE of the United States of America, pursuant to the Bill of Rights, Amendment One, which gives the right of the American people to petition the United States government for a redress of grievances, hereby state the following:

WHEREAS, unmarked aircraft are daily painting American skies with bio-hostile substances; and

WHEREAS, aircraft which carry no identifying markings can not be identified as American and are, therefore, presumed to be hostile aircraft; and

WHEREAS, these unmarked aircraft have been proven to be emitting substances which drift to the ground and are hostile to the health and well-being of American citizens;

THEREFORE, it is concluded that Americans are, and have been for years, under attack and have become the victims of BIOCHEMICAL WARFARE.

FURTHER, the United States government has allowed, and is continuing to allow, these unidentified aircraft to release harmful substances over American soil, which have been proven harmful to the American people; and

WHEREAS, the United States government has neither satisfactorily explained nor proffered any compelling reason(s) why it is in the interests of the United States government to allow harm to the majority of its people with these disease-producing, potentially lethal emissions; and

WHEREAS, when asked about the situation, the United States government has engaged in evasion, deception, and stonewalling the American people in their pursuit of the truth of this matter.

THEREFORE, it is presumed that the aircraft either belong to the United States government and are operating under the direct command and with full knowledge of the United States government or, in the alternative, the United States government has knowingly and willfully conspired with an outside, hostile group to allow harm to American citizens.

THEREFORE, it appearing that the United States government is violating numerous rights of its citizens and in so doing is in a state of treason against its citizens, it is up to the American people to exercise their rights and hold the United States government accountable for its actions or inactions, as the case may be.

CONSEQUENTLY, the people of the United States of America declare the following,

TO THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT: Pursuant to the Bill of Rights, Amendment One, we, the people of the United States, declare that we are grieved over the presence of "chemtrails" in the airspace over the United States and hereby petition the United States government to take immediate action to cease all chemtrail activity in the airspace over the United States of America.

We, the People, further DEMAND an immediate, thorough and honest investigation into what the substance called "chemtrails" actually consists of and discover the true purpose of spraying America (and its people) with harmful substances. Such investigation will include independent, impartial experts, as well as ordinary citizens. Furthermore, please investigate (I.S.D.A.C.) and (H.A.A.R.P), for they seem to be a source of these activities.

Sincerely,



posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 01:23 AM
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VOODOO1 B722
291 377
KLAX KLAX

Which means it’s a B722, flying at 29,100 feet, speed 377 knots, and it took off from LAX and is going to land there. It’s still flying now, about three hours after I first saw it.

What is VOODOO1? It’s actually a plane owned by Raytheon, N289MT, a test plane that they use to test avionics equipment: call sign VooDoo1

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posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 01:29 AM
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flightaware.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">why is RAYTHEON spraying chemicals over California?

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posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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Go on Google and search for chemtrails across England. Yes they have them too. I haven't tried other countries but I'm sure a search will show they have them also. REmember a country that sprays a bad thing over their country will poison their own Gov. officials. If another country does it , it may follow the air currents right back over their country.
GKL



posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by Warpspeed
Well firstly chemtrails are not a worldwide phenomena, they only seem to occur in North America.


Actually this phenom is worldwide.
Italy, France, Germany, Australia , Holland - etc...
Stick chemtrails in youtube - you'll get vids from almost everywhere.
I agree with you though -
There are many things hidden -
To add fluoride to drinking water is criminal -
as well as many of the other instances you mention.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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I've been in aviation for over 30 years, building, maintaining, and testing jet engines and turboprops. For the last 15 years I've been building GE90 High Bypass Jet Engines.

I can categorically state that there is not now, nor has there ever been a program by any airline, military branch, or government agency that has anything to do with spraying chemicals on the populace.

Specialized aircraft spray for mosquitos, and crop-dusters spray pesticides on crops.

Jet aircraft can, under certain circumstances, dump fuel overboard, however this is normally only carried out in emergencies.

There is no such thing as "chemtrails", per se. Jet exhaust, like any by-product of internal combustion engines, does contain H2O, CO2, CO, HCs, HFCs, and microscopic amounts of abraded material from the internal parts of the engine. Chemical analysis of jet exhaust is readily available by the public.

I am sick to death of small-minded people falling for conspiracy theories. It certainly doesn't say much for our educational system.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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The chemtrails hoax had largely died off. Back in 2000, the chemtrail web sites were a lot busier, but at Carnicoms and then later Chemtrail Central. Carnicom site is just left with a couple of religious nutters, and then carnicom does dentistry on himself, and then drinks wine and spits it in a cup looking for fibers.

Chemtrail Central is more of a ghost town. The owner of that long ago stopped believing in chemtrails but likes the money he gets from advertisings and click-thoughs.

Even on www.contrails-and-chemtrails.com... no are no more chemtrail believers left to argue with unfortunately.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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Wish i could spare the time to show you that there are as many 'believers' ( hehe) as there used to be. Since the debunkers are on the whole better verses in physics/meteorology i am not personally surprised that they have managed to take alot of wind out of these particular sails. Having said that i have never had anyone that could, or really tried, adequately explain all the observed changes so i have not had a reason to reconsider my observations. Maybe if i didn't have to work for a living i could spare the time to engage the same old debunkers with the same old data leading to their same old standard denial and misrepresentations as to why it can't be done and why it supposedly isn't being done.

Oh well.

Stellar



posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 01:55 AM
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well that is a good idea but what if on those conditions chem trails don't appear because the pressure or temps i don't mean to answer a question with a question but you know what i mean?



posted on Mar, 7 2010 @ 12:24 AM
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And the CFR, NOW slime continues to ooze its propaganda is every place on earth. I swear, I have know some, heard of more and read the details of the countless worthless slobs who have sold their soul to the darkness, but you people will go down in history as tops on that list. The blessing there, of course, is that your history will be short lived after you stand in judgment and that is a time and place I’d like to visit for a few hours. Just to watch how the uncomfortable squirming continues as you people look for ways to lie … to the creator of all things. Pitiful!

Now, that I have wasted far too much time speaking about people without integrity, I would like to address the words that appeared in an email that happened into my mailbox. I never requested this propaganda and yet, there it was and speaking on the notion of Chemtrails, as a hoax? As it happens, I am a person who has … well, decided to accept nothing short of the real truth on most things from now on instead of taking them at face value because of the source. I feel it is impossible to arbitrarily follow a single theory without exploring many options on a given subject.

Some folks live by standards because they heard their parents demand it as being authentic. Others seem to be unable to take a rational stand on any topic unless their path has been pr-planned by someone on an AM radio station. There are others still, who base their entire existence and every aspect of their life based on the words spoken in a church. Each of these examples has the same basic limitation that is inconsistent with reaching the exact truth one seeks. They are all someone else’s opinions. Loving your parents does not make them more intelligent. The popularity of a radio personality cannot provide perfect advice for anyone other than themselves. A person speaking from the pulpit has not spoken to God anymore than a member of the congregation and so these are not the ideal means.

It is because of this theory; whereas I research all areas of each possibility before I hold a belief in a single theory. That too, must be dissected for relevance and every portion thoroughly investigated, thus reducing the number of flaws in the over all article. Now, it goes without saying that I too, have not had the fortune of having an audience with one who know all, for sure. Never got a chance to peek at the actual “Book of Life” and therefore must rely on the final data I have after reviewing all others, balancing the predictability factor of the parties involved based on their historical patterns and my own personal instinct.

Naturally, this is a simplistic example because there are many more steps to take for someone who accepts only the truth. Based on these facts, however, gives me a much better perspective that I would have had without the leg work into the subject. The sad truth after the exhausting research and all of the time involved just trying to answer a simple question, I realize that I held the truth all along yet it was myself, who lacked the trust. In other words, each of us is born with a inherent and very accurate instinct and we are naturally repulsed by wrong in favor of what is right. Those with long standing training from the opinions of others have forgotten how to use this gift but we all also have a failsafe backup plan for making determinations.

Most of us carried it from our childhood into adult life that was born of a lesson. An individual message that normally came from someone we loved dearly of trusted implicitly and the words are normally as simple as a Childs mind. My message for life came from my Grandmother whom we called, MaMa (pronounced; “MawMaw) and it is never wrong and had I always relied upon its wisdom, many of my problems in life would have never materialized. The simple message she conveyed to me held these attributes: “Do you remember when you burned your finger, keep it out of the fire and you will never burn it again”. I am certain that you may be asking, “Huh?”, right about now and so I’ll explain briefly.

Naturally, the parable of the burned finger is genuine and good solid advice to avoid the pain associated with a blister. It also carries great weight in many areas of life. If your acne doctor removes you kidney by accident, your new employee almost destroys your business, your sheriff embezzles all of the towns money, the pizza restaurant gives you food poisoning, the baby sitter abuses your child, a police officer is repeatedly accused of assault, you end up in jail every time you drink and drive, you lose your lifes savings again because of a tip from a family member, you lose another job because, “This time you won’t get caught”, you find yourself crying desperately inside from a broken heart because you trusted them, “one more time”, should provide a few clues to reach my point.

It is for all of the reasons I have mentioned that I feel myself to be adequately informed enough to stand for this subject. Based on the fact that I was drawn into the subject without soliciting the involvement, does not mean that I am in anyway defending my position. Quite the contrary, I am fully secure in my understanding of the truth based on every aspect of the subject including that final test of integrity and all points in between. Likewise, I suspect that even the author of this post understands the severity involved in the act of purposefully misleading the uninformed as being a place that will one day require explanation. All the while, knowing a certain amount of guilt is there and that it will remain an inescapable shadow in their daily existence with only one corrective action if it is to be escaped has obviously prevented them from acting with hatred.

I know nothing of the person who wrote the post save the single fact that pure evil is not a part of the equation. A malicious heart with a desire to wreak havoc on the lives of unsuspecting persons in order to satisfy an enjoyment shared by one, alone … was not the intent. Indeed, by the sound of the message written, it appears to be from a good place of nurturing and showing a desire to offer help in avoiding misinformation. Yet, the fact remains that the words written have not been supplied based on a feeling on benevolence. Instead, and quite probably, it is from a place of either ignorance because of the lack of investigation or ignorance because of another’s stronger opinions that have been repeated.

Either way, that has become the norm as of late and those people who act in a malevolent fashion because of a selfish agenda that they; for unexplained reasons are too cowardly to offer openly and instead of, do so clandestinely, have become masters at their plan. Like great hypnotists, they manage to use others to spread their lies in an effortless manner and it is this final stage which provides the unmistakable and unquestionable proof in the catalyst of my grandmother’s theory that a burned finger will never come out differently when introduced to the same head source. This is as I perceive the rationale behind this post for what ever the real reason to be, it cannot be left in its current provision as ‘Newsworthy.” It is because of the constant acceptance of dis-information and dis-information that we live in the greatest era of human kind teetering on annihilation as a species.

To personally act in such an irresponsibly lackadaisical manner with lethargy towards all humanity as my legacy will not happen. It ‘Will’ not be I, standing at judgment searching for answers and hoping the creator has forgotten. Likewise, anyone reading my words should understand that these words from me, have no “seal of approval’ save my own and my personal theories. What I am offering and what will follow is a personal response to those things found in the original message. I desperately wish to suggest that there are voluminous categories of exponential libraries of incalculable avenues of data that is free and ready to be accessed which will show each of you the actual truth. This is my charge to all who reads these words.

Before I begin, I would like to say one final thing. Please, do not ever allow yourselves to become the prisoner of the ideas and beliefs of any one person’s individual message unless you have first, conquered your quest for a personal opinion and are seeking validation. The planet we live upon, the country we love, the human experience, your freedom and liberty and especially your happiness belongs to no one but you. Do not allow anyone to have power enough to remove it from you in any fashion. There are some things that are worth the effort. Thank You.



Chemtrails, a Hoax ?

Itemized rebuttal in response to original post.

The first thing I should point out is that the author has taken it upon him/her self to assume that somehow, it is their integrity that we are questioning and the issue is secondary. This can hardly be laughable based on the fact that individuality is as transparent as ‘Casper the friendly Ghost’ is this arena. Who, what or where the writer, ‘Does their Thing’, is irrelevant and nor germane to the topic at hand. Whether listing the employment was intended to add authenticity or perhaps authority to the post is unknown but it should be pointed out that I am in search of the unbiased truth and since I do not know every person in the world, I can only assume this to be their thoughts as well. Furthermore, I personally recognize it to reduce the credibility based on the possibility that it may, have been added in hopes of swaying decisions.

In my search for truth, AC/DC, is the only area allowed to have “Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap” and certainly not the person claiming to have the final word. I apologize for the outside reference. In case you aren’t familiar, AC/DC is a Rock Band with a song sharing that title. In addition, the reference mentioned about discussing this topic with an array of professional individuals spanning the gamut has no bearing whatever on the relevance of any topic. Were human beings born without eyes to see and no means of transportation, the laws of probability would still cause an instinctive migration for persons of like ideological make up to attract and inevitable cohabitate the same or near same space. Needless to say, the CEO of a fortune 500 company would not be able to simply, “Kick it “with the fellows on the Docks. We all have certain chameleon ability but it is normally short lived and more probable that your references all remained inside of your comfort zone.

For that single reason, none of their thoughts or sworn affidavits on the subject hold any more relevant as do my own or what ever pawn is currently sleeping on Pennsylvania avenue at the moment. For clarification, it is my firm belief that the Political theater is simply that, theater and belongs in another discussion altogether. So, I contend that none of the things mentioned in your introductory statements have any sustenance or relevance, at all to the purpose of identifying the Chemtrail phenomena as either reality or as a hoax. It is just the way I see it and I could be wrong, it happens but I do feel it is very applicable in this case.

Item 1:
It sounded as if you suggested a “huge and sinister plot”, would be required, or that there was a “huge and sinister”, plot without evidence but either way, allow me to respond.

The idea of there needing to be a huge and sinister plot in order to perpetuate a fictitious in order to reach a desired objective has always been the motivational facet throughout all history. As a person, “who reads a lot”, surely you have read of the uncountable instances when this type of theory was applied and the astounding success that was reached as a result. I will avoid boring you with every detail but suffice it to say, this can easily be accomplished and in the mind set of most people today, it could occur with limited effort. I’ll include one example that too, should be reserved for a different topic of discussion but it is meant to prove my point and I feel you will agree, that it, in fact does so quite well. Whether or not, a huge and sinister plot and by whom, September 11, 2001 became just that. Either a plot by extremist Muslims without the [expertise, ability, experience, capabilities, leadership, manpower, network of thousands, proven ability to execute intricate and detailed plans, fly planes and from a cave in a country half way around the world and against the most advanced military power the world has ever known or something else. The something else would, of course, be the most technically advanced nation the world has ever known failing four times in one day against the afore mentioned extremists which created dramatic alterations in the Pride in a way of life for an entire nation and resulted in a never ending war in two, three or perhaps four countries in search or the illusive leader who … has never been charged with the crime because the highest law enforcement in the country has, “No evidence to substantiate the charge. [Note: No charges have ever been filed against Bin Laden with the F.B.I.]

I hope that sufficiently addressed your huge and sinister plot. As for the evidence, this almost seems like a trick question. As a long time aviator, I assume you are familiar with contrails not to be confused with the topics, Chemtrails, correct? For the reader who is not, and feel free to correct my information because I have no back ground in air travel and honestly, have never flown one time. I made an oath early in life that I would fly the moment I sprouted wings and to this very day, I continue to remain on the ground but I digress. With the introduction of high altitude jet airlines, the exhaust from the jets because of the frigid temperatures at that height was affected. The moisture in the vapors found in the warm exhaust crystallized into ice particles. People who witnessed the event were mesmerized and tried to speculate how it happened. The reality is that it no different that our warm breath on a very cold day when we exhale fog. It lasts a moment and then it disappears. From a jet engine traveling at very high speeds and at an altitude of perhaps 50,000 feet, it leaves a thin trail of frozen air. This too, is but for a moment and as the ice melts, the trail disappears. This is un unchallenged scientific fact and the only way it can be altered is if there is something more than water vapor being left in the jets wake.

Everyone has watched an air show when the old prop planes do sky writing, correct? This “is” smoke that comes fro a mounted canister and not from the planes engines … because, it is relatively dangerous to have foreign substances mixed with the precise ingredients in the engines of an airplane. It’s a funny thing about those things, when the engine chokes out from lake of one thing or another, those things hit the ground and make a terrible mess. With that in mind, today, after reading this rebuttal, walk out side and look into the sky. It is a daily occurrence every where at the moment, but when you witness a high altitude jet passing by and leaving a trail, wait. What you see, my friend, is one of two possibilities. Either ice no longer melts which means we can call of Global Warming (another topic) or there is something else being ejected from the rear of those vehicles. We know that is cannot be coming from the engines and therefore must be emitted from a separate source. By the way, if it doesn’t evaporate and nearly reaches the ground, it’s the end of the world! Not unless we stop it from happening.

Item 2:
Please see the previous item for the level of difficulty in furnishing or over coming the logistical problems. Heck, one loud mouth on an AM radio station can handle most. I mean, take Rush Limbaugh as an example. He has actually convinced thousands and thousands of people that he is entertaining and that what “He” says is right. Not correct but right and there is a difference. Because you mentioned the Vietnam War, I’ll reference logistics for you and please, do check for your self. The freedom of request and de classification of dated documents has revealed in no uncertain terms that the logistical difficulties of an entire war, the death of over 58,000 American soldiers, several million Vietnamese civilians, a divided country and the murders of several innocent college students by National Guard troops in violation of the Posse Comitadis Act wasn’t difficult in the least. The incident at the Ton Kin Gulf which initiated the full involvement of the American armed forces never happened. Please retain this fact for use in a later summery.

Item 3:
In fact, the evidence which proves these modifications to air craft is blatantly overwhelming. There are literally thousands of visual stills taken from top quality high speed cameras with intricate zoom technologies and I believe even proof from the Flir technologies which is used by the shuttle and countless Government operations. These images clearly show the infrared trails of exhaust fumes as well as a much thicker trail the is emitted from a location that is separate from the engine mounts. There are at least as many high quality high definition videos which show the exact same phenomena as it the still photographs. Does the U.S. Government sanction adding or modifying air craft to spray foreign matter into the air? Well, several countries have reported American military air craft spraying a substance over populated areas in their country without permission. I believe China has either shot one out of the sky or has produce irrefutable proof that it was an American military plane and are demanding an explanation. Additionally, over the skies of a Russian providence, an air plain was forced from the sky with the threat of destruction by military jets. Upon landing, a crew of active American military members, a huge supply of a substance believed to be related to the H1G1 strain of influenza and a method of spraying was found. The following days and weeks saw a massive population explosion of the exact swine flu strain over take the same exposed civilians which included massive death counts. I’d lean towards a “yes” vote on that question.

Item 4:
For this claim, I would ask that you provide me with the details of you claim. My information states that Barium and Aluminum Oxide are not meant to be used as table condiments and In fact are toxic and can be fatal if ingested. Based on the fact the Environmental Protection Agency refuses to analyze the obtained substances accumulated after a heavy spraying has left it to independent testing. These toxic elements are but a few of the collected compounds which are currently contamination the oxygen we breath, the food we eat and as if the toxicity of fluoride wasn’t bad enough for out fresh water supply, it is being found there as well. For all intents and purposes, a planned and premeditated poisoning of the population and in essence, a calculated Genocide.

Item 5:
I really must be honest. With each new item I read, I am becoming more convinced that you are relying on nothing at all, save that of the words you have heard form someone wishing to keep it out of the discussion paths. These materials, often ‘spider-web like’, has been collected and achieved for a half a dozen years that I am personally aware of and if it is research you are in search of for proof, it is every where. The materials collected has been studied, analyzed and identified as well as being catalogued and classified by many reputable universities and independent laboratories. Like I mentioned a moment ago, the most trusted scientific institute along with their special interests of … what was that?, Oh, yes Protecting The Environment we life in has said that toxic chemicals in our air and water and could conceivable end the human species is not the sort of environmental problems they like to investigate.
(Now, take a break and do some home work. I’ll give you a few clues. Check Google Videos, Core of Corruption, YouTube, TrueWorldHistory.Info or just Google the word Chemtrails or Poison Sky)

Item 6:
For the differentiating circumstances that explain these global occurrences as normal contrails, I will also defer to the proof you can offer. Based on nothing more than what I have listed here, it cannot be argued. If so, the science that the entire world knows is incorrect. That would be a relatively Huge and sinister plot, don’t you agree?
“Everything you thought you knew … is incorrect”
That actually sounds feisable.

AND NOW, YOU’RE EXPLANATIONS ….
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# 1 :
Now you are getting ridiculous. Every single day because of National Security threats or jail or disappearances, governmental employees, military personnel and even citizens are forced to maintain silence on countless topics. Based on the laws of physics, the propellant pushes the vehicle through the air and everyone normally faces the same direction. Unless there has been an update in air line equipment, such as huge side mirrors and rear windows, who would know except for the people on the ground or not in that particular plane? Also, do you not remember the Presidency of Ronald Regan? That is when we were introduced to the new terms like, “Plausible Deniability” and the “Department of Misinformation”, or at least that is the first I learned of them but the point is that, “I Dunno”, has become the standard answer. Also, ever hear of ‘compartmentalization”? The President, for crying out loud, is not allowed to tour the base at Groom Lake Nevada, or Area 51 … The M.M.F.I.C. can’t get a pass to look inside. Better still, when Jimmy Carter became President and especially after his own personal encounter, sent a memo to the head of the Central Intelligence Agency demanding all information on Unidentified Flying Objects. The response from the director, George H.W. Bush contained one word … “No”.

As for you belief that there are no hidden agendas from the Bilderbergers, CFR … etc … well, you sort of missed that as well. Let us forget about something as large as a countries government and instead, take a 3rd grade class of good students. Temporarily remove the top “A” student, give him/her a $100 dollar bill and insert a plan. That created the only factor needed for a hidden agenda. You can continue the experiment with case infusion until that once brilliant student has been reduced to breaking into the school to personally steal the test from the teachers lounge. Do you honestly believe that the introduction of a central bank (The Federal Reserve) which violated the US Constitution and the institution of the Income Tax which is illegal because it was never properly ratified happened by accident? There is also a really nice recent article which details 33 supposed Conspiracy Theories which turned out to be 100% true. You can find it at the New World Order Report.

What have you spent such time reading?

# 2 :
Not worth the effort.

# 3 :
This has turned into an essay that will never help the poor grades I got way back in high school so I think I’ll stop here. I hope I have made my point without being rude and I hope you haven’t taken my comments personally. To quote Norman Manetta with regards to the 9/11 tragedy and his grounding of all air planes,;

“Whe n you see one thing happen, it’s an accident. When you see two of the same things happen, it’s a pattern. When you see three of the same things happen … it is planned”

Coming from one institution, false wars, illegal taxes, Presidents Impeached for oral sex but never indicted for allowing drug smuggling as Governor, Presidents and Congress ignoring and changing the Constitution, Non citizens becoming President, Presidents ordering torture and using illegal material against enemies during war, Presidents lying to Congress … My God, that would be a longer essay but I think it is safe to say that, “Toto … We aren’t in Kansas any more” and the corruption has gone way beyond a pattern.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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Yes...but how do you explain when theses "chemtrail-leaving planes" spray an area,and then TURN AROUND and spray that same area AGAIN?

I highly doubt any commercial aircraft would do that.



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 01:33 AM
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A, you have no idea if they are "Spraying", nor do you know if those are the same aircraft. You THINK they are spraying, and you THINK they are the same aircraft, when in reality you have multiple aircraft and at different altitudes on some same routes.

Just because you see a plane go left to right, then later one goes right to left, on that same route, does not mean it is the same airplane. There are hundreds, even thousands of aircraft aloft at certain times.



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 09:16 AM
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I'm convinced Chemtrails are real; and when the MSM uses pictures like the one in this article to indicate "all is good in the world" my blood starts to boil

Back in the air



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Mathius
I'm convinced Chemtrails are real; and when the MSM uses pictures like the one in this article to indicate "all is good in the world" my blood starts to boil

Back in the air


Well instead of getting mad, why not education yourself on aviation and meteorology? I know chemtrail believers seem to do anything to avoid learning about aircraft and weather, and how aircraft navigate, but you can do that, learn a few things and not get mad over photographs.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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me and my friend watched at work today as the clear blue sky quickly filled with lower flying planes, soon turning the entire sky a white and gray haze, this is becoming extremely disgusting and we need to do something about it!!!!! inform people, hand out flyers, we need to wake people up guys comeon!!!!!



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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Like today in Oregon, I saw some cars drive by in the morning, then later it got chilly and with more cirrus too. I should make up a car trails conspiracy, because I know those cars were emitting, and then the afternoon had cirrus clouds and wind.



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