Hypocrisy Of The Bleeding Heart

Hypocrisy Of The Bleeding Heart

I've seen on ATS, heard all over the news, been told to my face.. Conservatives are selfish, self-righteous, greedy corporate sellouts.

Liberals believe conservatives simply don't care about the poor and the weak, they believe that they we desire a smaller government simply for the sake of keeping more profits for ourselves. The common belief is that we are corporate backing war mongers who enjoy watching people suffer.

The reality is quite the opposite..

Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

www.realclearpolitics.com...

-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

Are Conservatives rich, corporate moneymongers? No .. in fact, we have lower average yearly incomes than Liberals. The absolute vast majority of us are middle class and rural small town folks. Small business owners and farmers.

Are Conservatives so self absorbed they'd rather keep all their money to themselves? Apparently not..

We assume the rich give more than the middle class, the middle class more than the poor. I've heard liberals care more about the less fortunate, so we assume they give more than conservatives do. Are these assumptions truth, or myth?
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Religious people are more likely to give to charity, and when they give, they give more money: four times as much. And Arthur Brooks told me that giving goes beyond their own religious organization:

"Actually, the truth is that they're giving to more than their churches," he says. "The religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly non-religious charities."

abcnews.go.com...

There has been a strong sentiment, especially since the rise of the "We Are The 99%" Occupy Wall Street movement, that there is a "rich vs poor" environment in the USA, and that all poor people should naturally side with leftist ideologies. The fact of the matter is that conservative minded people abhor socialistic tendencies on a moral basis.. they would rather donate privately, and even give more than their louder hypocritical Liberal counterparts, than see the Government get a larger share of their income.

Why? Because government is corrupt and ineffective. Whereas Charity helps those in need directly, they assist in all they can to help a person in a bad situation. Whether it's someone with cancer, a research facility, a homeless shelter or a soup kitchen they will ALWAYS operate more effectively than the Government.

Also the Government is viewed by many on the right to be morally unsound. To take my money is one thing, for my to give my money is entirely different. I object to having my money taken from my paycheck and a tiny percentage of it given to medicaid. Yet yearly I average $3,000 in donations to a cancer assistance charity (they help with medical and house payments for families that have children with cancer). Or my Church operates a large food pantry.. but in the store if I see a state debit card and a cart full of junk I'm enraged. If I give to a charity I see the results.. and if they take to much to spend on expenses and not enough is given to people in need, I can change the charity I donate to. But when the Government wastes money .. there is nothing I can do.

But the facts are plain. Liberals demand more social services and higher taxes. Conservatives demand less. Yet conservatives give far more (30% more) time and money to charitable organizations than Liberals, who average higher incomes..

reply to post by Rockpuck
Liberals give more of other people's money than conservatives.

I regret to advise you that Brooks and I do not share the same 'reality'.

That's why we should move to an even more socialist economy

No billionaires and no homeless

Where your boss does not get rich from your labor.

Where your boss does not get better health care from your labor.

Where your boss does not enjoy better retirement benefits while you bust your ass for him for 30 years.

reply to post by muse7


And we can all wear matching blue jackets

The Government can assign our careers

We can live in matching tiny tenements with no luxuries.

You study what the State tells you to study

We can all enjoy the same low quality state produced goods.

And we can dine knowing that millions starved to death to support our urban centers.

Stalinism is awesome.

reply to post by Rockpuck


whoa lol

Don't even know why you brought up blue jackets and stalinism lol

perhaps a misconception that you have about socialism?

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by muse7

 

Stalinism is awesome.

Glad you think so because the direction the US is heading is even more awesome than that. Left/Right, Conservative/Liberal are false dichotomies for describing where you all are heading. Those are false directions to keep you from seeing just what path you're plunging down. You've repeatedly selected more oppressive, "get tough" policies to protect you from looking at your neighbor's tasteless hairstyle. You've given away your liberties and privacies over very trivial concerns while looking left and right and not seeing what lies ahead.

Yeah, awesome.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


Yes I've seen this time and time again. However you fail to see the obvious: There are REAL ideological differences between "liberals" and "Conservatives" ... it's not made up, it's not false, it's not a gimmick.

The Republican / Democrat is a false paradigm in that both parties represent the same thing..

But the actual ideological differences between the electorate are vast.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Erongaricuaro

 

But the actual ideological differences between the electorate are vast.

Vast for some of us. For the great majority given their grasp of understanding regarding those differences their ideologies are half-vast at best.

reply to post by muse7




how about in doing so, everyone gets worse off, is the "envy" more important than practicality?

I'm not rich by the way

Originally posted by blueorder
reply to post by muse7

 

how about in doing so, everyone gets worse off, is the "envy" more important than practicality?

I'm not rich by the way

I guess liberals would suffer from "pennies" envy!

Originally posted by muse7
That's why we should move to an even more socialist economy

No billionaires and no homeless

Where your boss does not get rich from your labor.

Where your boss does not get better health care from your labor.

Where your boss does not enjoy better retirement benefits while you bust your ass for him for 30 years.

edit on 3/12/2012 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

Where no matter how much harder and longer you work more than the other guy, you know that he will make as much as you.

Where the government will tell you where to live, what to eat, what to buy, what to watch, and where to work.

Where your boss just doesn't care about quality control and good working conditions, because he has no incentives due to the fact that he's guaranteed a wage no matter what!

Socialism: it's not just for tyrants and mass murderers anymore!

OP:

This is spot on. The liberal/progressives figure that since the government is here to take care of people, why should they be expected to?

Conservatives give because they want to. They are the followers of the social contract, where society is supposed to help its fellow man.

/TOA

reply to post by The Old American


What you're describing sounds a lot like a Union.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
reply to post by The Old American

 

What you're describing sounds a lot like a Union.

That's not a coincidence. People with what social ideology are the vast majority of union supporters and members?

/TOA

Many Liberals suffer internal disparities.

Many seem to cast blame on others for the very things they
themselves are guilty of.

It's a classic move.

It seems too, that they prefer somebody else pay,
as long as it remains somebody else

reply to post by Rockpuck



Really, most of our lives aren't much different than that now. You are simply lead to believe you don't live in matching jumpsuits, hastily slaving away, to go home and take their vitamins and plug in for some daily brainwashing. Chocked full of fake responsibilities, fake rights, the right to vote for nothing so you feel in control, useless rewards, and life long debts. It's really no different, personally. I'd rather have what I need to survive than deal with this bull# we call capitalism, and it isn't a democracy anyways. Unless it's a conjunction of Demon and democracy as a sort of sick pun to remind us how foolish we are. I really find your angle rather desperate here. I mean, you're trying to tell me on average Conservatives spend a few hundred dollars more than liberals on charity. So what, they both make donations, I don't care how little of their multi-billions they give away it doesn't make their # smell any less. As well, it's so easy to spot brainwashed Americans, any time anyone makes mention of socialism/communism you immediately go on the attack and try to tear it apart. I know, there aren't any good examples, the few nations that made an attempt at a wonderful idea have failed miserably but it really boils down to the fact that those systems are equally as corrupt as Capitalism. All the money is focused on the people the run the nation, and it doesn't get spent to benefit it's citizens. Really, when you think about it the payroll of the nations top 1% could probably support the entire nation as a community. I like that word better, community. Your reaction to the other post there sums up why I feel such a wonderful ideal shouldn't be used. Many of you don't know or understand what the word means, Community. We're all part of a community some where, and many of us do practice the means necessary to make it work, how ever too many people can't fathom a world where money doesn't matter, or a world where no one is better than the man next to them. So sadly, no it will not work but the flaw is not with communism, but with man itself.

reply to post by Ilyich


It's actually pretty significant. Liberals call Conservatives stingy and greedy. Yet Conservatives donate significantly more to help their fellow man. Meanwhile Liberals believe that THEY are the morally superior ones because they want the GOVERNMENT to provide the care (at someone elses expense)..

Personally I'm tired of the Liberal hypocrisy.

(And yes I agree Communism is perfect in theory. Sadly it's also completely impossible due to Human Nature. The very way we are wired prevents anything remotely like true Communism from ever taking place.. Stalinism is all you'd get.

Too right those bleeding hearts love to bleed dry other peoples wallets except their own and what liberals believe and what is reality ain't never been the same.

And it is that ideology is why never before in the history of this nation there are more people consuming the wealth of others than generating their own a country where earn never enters in to the equation.

You got money you didn't earn it you don't deserve it and they can spend it better than you.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Well, how about we take over and it can be RockpuckIlyichism! It would be great, it would be just like now. But not... I don't want to hammer out the details but it's nice to dream, and yes the flaw rests with man. No system will work until we learn to improve ourselves, and I personally believe in the idea healthcare should be free and equal for all.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Hypocrisy Of The Bleeding Heart
Are Conservatives rich, corporate moneymongers? No .. in fact, we have lower average yearly incomes than Liberals. The absolute vast majority of us are middle class and rural small town folks. Small business owners and farmers.

Are Conservatives so self absorbed they'd rather keep all their money to themselves? Apparently not..

Here's what's happening... The Conservatives at the top are phony. They pretend, because they know the conservatives at the bottom will buy it. It's epic lack of respect. And watching that epic lack of respect take place, watching conservatives send their sons and daughters to die in war so rich people can get richer... It's a really sad thing to see.

That's why Republicans have the religious vote. It's phony pandering. They really do only care about themselves, and they appeal to the lower nature of people, whether it's fear, cynicism, or anger. But they also prey on low income conservative work ethic. They make you want to suffer for it. Nobody gets anything for free (except job creators who need special tax cuts), but nobody gets anything for free! Healthcare? No way, man, get off my right to death! They want YOU to work, and they want YOU to die and they want YOU to vote them in, so THEY can keep collecting.

Liberals see right through it. But conservatives... Sad, fearful, religious, ignorant little saps, buy right into it. God Bless America. Never forget.