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originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: TrueMessiah
Sorry but you can't help but to wonder about the motives and intentions of some members
True. there seems to be a handful of users here trying to start a "truth movement" or some kind of UFO cult. How's recruitment going?
On the one hand you have people here, following the scientific method,
originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
Or would you rather wait for proof, that the government/MSM is possibly covering up, at which time it will be too late?
originally posted by: TrueMessiah
Dan Morris is a retired Air Force career Master Sergeant who was involved in the extraterrestrial projects for many years.
originally posted by: TrueMessiah
a reply to: neoholographic
And Edgar isn't the only astronaut who has come forward announced an alien presence.
- Dr. Brian O'leary, Former NASA astronaut and Princeton Physics Professor
"In my opinion I think they were worried that it would panic the public so they started telling lies about it.
And then I think they had to tell another lie to cover their first lie, now they don't know how to get out of it. Now it's going to be so embarrassing to admit that all these administrations have told so many untruths, it would be embarrassing getting out of it. There are a number of extraterrestrial vehicles out there cruising around."
- Gordon Cooper, Former NASA Astronaut, Aeronautical Engineer and test pilot. One of the seven original Astronauts in Project Mercury, the first manned space program of the United States
originally posted by: JimOberg
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance
.....
If some guy named Willie said the same thing as Edgar Mitchell, the first thing you're going to ask is."Who is Willie?" That's just common sense because you're looking for credibility. You don't have to look for credibility when Edgar Mitchell says it.
You can also calibrate Mitchell's standards by examining other paranormal stories he finds credible -- like his own ESP experiment. Anybody ever read his report from Apollo-14?
originally posted by: TrueMessiah
Seems you were pretty low on the totem pole there. There's this kind of clearance, like what Dan Morris (NRO operative, also apart of the disclosure project) had :
Testimony of Master Sergeant Dan Morris, USAF (Retired)/ NRO Operative---I had a clearance 38 levels above top secret, which is cosmic top-secret -it is the top of all of those clearances. It is for UFOs, and aliens, etc. No president has had that level, has ever been cleared for that level. Eisenhower was the closest.
originally posted by: DelMarvel
originally posted by: TrueMessiah
Dan Morris is a retired Air Force career Master Sergeant who was involved in the extraterrestrial projects for many years.
You have any links to anything about him that's not from the Disclosure Project? Doesn't seem to be much of a footprint.
If you research Ufology for any length of time you discover there's a half century of former military and intelligence people or people claiming to be former military and intelligence making all sorts of extraordinary claims that can never be confirmed.
There is also speculation and reports about "inside sources" who have deliberately made things up.
originally posted by: JimOberg
Sweet, imaginative guy, dropped out of astronaut training -- and AFAIK never claimed he learned anything about UFOs at NASA.
There are a lot of bogus Cooper quotations buzzing around, so I'd prefer a checkable reference rather than 'some guy on the Internet SAID he said this'. Can you help?
originally posted by: TrueMessiah.....
Couple of things here:
1. The burden of proof is on you to invalidate his status. I presented a link with credentials, if you oppose those credentials, then you have to produce evidence that his status and/or story is fabricated.
originally posted by: TrueMessiah
Couple of things here:
1. The burden of proof is on you to invalidate his status. I presented a link with credentials, if you oppose those credentials, then you have to produce evidence that his status and/or story is fabricated.
originally posted by: DelMarvel
Whoa! Hold on a minute! You posted ONE link from the Disclosure Project that claims this guy was a Sergeant with a "Cosmic top secret" clearance 38 levels above top secret who knew about NSA death squads knocking off UFO witnesses and the burden of proof is on me to invalidate that?
From what research I've done today I would say the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate this character even existed. The one and only sighting of this guy seems to be 2001. If someone with this alleged resume dropped off the charts like that I'd say the most likely explanation is because it was discovered he was a fraud.
EDIT: This appears to be a full transcript of his Project Disclosure testimony. Read this and tell me if you still stand by him as a credible source: rune.galactic.to...
originally posted by: JimOberg
Uh, no. Just because somebody posts something on the Internet, doesn't by itself establish any presumption of authenticity.
originally posted by: TrueMessiah
originally posted by: DelMarvel
Whoa! Hold on a minute! You posted ONE link from the Disclosure Project that claims this guy was a Sergeant with a "Cosmic top secret" clearance 38 levels above top secret who knew about NSA death squads knocking off UFO witnesses and the burden of proof is on me to invalidate that?
All I need is one link. I believe him, you don't. Now INVALIDATE IT.
Testimony of Master Sergeant Dan Morris, USAF (Retired)/ NRO Operative
September 2000
Dan Morris is a retired Air Force career Master Sergeant who was involved in the extraterrestrial projects for many years. After leaving the Air Force, he was recruited into the super-secret National Reconnaissance Organization, or NRO, during which time he worked specifically on extraterrestrial-connected operations. He had a cosmic top-secret clearance (38 levels above top secret) which, he states, no U.S. president, to his knowledge, has ever held.
Dan Salter and others
Dan Salter is a retired Air Force career man, E9, master sergeant, who was involved in the extraterrestrial issue for many many many years.
He later, after leaving the Air Force, was recruited into the super secret National Reconnaissance Organization, or NRO. During which time, he worked specifically on extraterrestrial matters and the retrieval of extraterrestrial vehicles and the management of this subject. he had a ’cosmic’ top secret clearance.
Top secret cosmic compartmentalization, which he states, no U.S. president, to his knowledge, has ever held.
originally posted by: JimOberg
a reply to: TrueMessiah Thanks, I'll check it later tonight. I appreciate your constructive response. Perhaps I got too cynical after the spread of the bogus Mercury-9 UFO fable and the counterfeit "Ferrando tape".
One item on the internet said Salter "Taught courses on
electromagnetic anti-gravitational propulsion systems as a
Professor Emeritus at Mountain View College." MVC is a 2 year
college. I can't find anybody there who knows anything about him
though he was on a list of possible teachers. I can't imagine
such a course being taught there.
Furthermore it is hard to believe that he lists "the Development
of Conscious Contact Citizenry Department (DCCCD) with the
United States Military". Mountain View College is part of the
Dallas County Community College District (DCCCD). Coincidence?
Stan
originally posted by: TrueMessiah
All I need is one link. I believe him, you don't. Now INVALIDATE IT.
Daniel M. Salter, born 9/7/1928 passed on September 12, 2007 in Colorado Springs, Co...... He moved to Taos, NM in 1990 after retiring from Mountain View College, Dallas, Texas, after serving as Head of Pilot Technology for 22 years. Prior to that he served 21 years in the United States Air Force in the field of electronics and radar. He was a Korean War veteran. While living in Taos, he was an avid lecturer regarding his UFO studies
originally posted by: JimOberg
originally posted by: JimOberg
a reply to: TrueMessiah Thanks, I'll check it later tonight. I appreciate your constructive response. Perhaps I got too cynical after the spread of the bogus Mercury-9 UFO fable and the counterfeit "Ferrando tape".
Do you want to discuss why his Edwards landing story is at variance with every other witness account and all documentation, or is that too far off topic?
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: TrueMessiah
originally posted by: DelMarvel
Whoa! Hold on a minute! You posted ONE link from the Disclosure Project that claims this guy was a Sergeant with a "Cosmic top secret" clearance 38 levels above top secret who knew about NSA death squads knocking off UFO witnesses and the burden of proof is on me to invalidate that?
All I need is one link. I believe him, you don't. Now INVALIDATE IT.
Well, would you look at this:
Testimony of Master Sergeant Dan Morris, USAF (Retired)/ NRO Operative
September 2000
Dan Morris is a retired Air Force career Master Sergeant who was involved in the extraterrestrial projects for many years. After leaving the Air Force, he was recruited into the super-secret National Reconnaissance Organization, or NRO, during which time he worked specifically on extraterrestrial-connected operations. He had a cosmic top-secret clearance (38 levels above top secret) which, he states, no U.S. president, to his knowledge, has ever held.
Compare that to this:
Dan Salter and others
Dan Salter is a retired Air Force career man, E9, master sergeant, who was involved in the extraterrestrial issue for many many many years.
He later, after leaving the Air Force, was recruited into the super secret National Reconnaissance Organization, or NRO. During which time, he worked specifically on extraterrestrial matters and the retrieval of extraterrestrial vehicles and the management of this subject. he had a ’cosmic’ top secret clearance.
Top secret cosmic compartmentalization, which he states, no U.S. president, to his knowledge, has ever held.
Second quote is from info provided by Greer: link
Greer is the source of this man's "credentials," and Salter's as well (assuming they are not the same huckster.)
Harte